Interesting article on vegetables using animal by products to be grown.

[Lowbankclaret]

I know it’s no football, but there has been lots of debates about vegans etc.

An interesting article that does tell the truth that lots of vegetables use animal byproducts to be grown.

Now we have as a race been spreading **** on fields for many years.

Fields can become unproductive very quickly without it.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... SApp_Other

[CleggHall]

Yes plants/crops require nutrients and water to grow.
The main nutrients of nitrogen, phosphorus and potash (N, P, K) are taken up from the soil which are then replenished either by artificial inorganic fertilisers or organically via animal manure and composts. Only the latter, non-animal based, nutrient sources are acceptable to vegans hence vegan food production is non-sustainable on a large scale.

[cricketfieldclarets]

More animals are killed per vegan plate than 'regular' plate. True story.

[Bosscat]

More animals are killed per vegan plate than 'regular' plate. True story.

Vegans should stop throwing plates at animals then...
Bloody hooligans

[FactualFrank]

Why did the vegan cross the road?

To tell someone they were a vegan.

[Lowbankclaret]

Yes plants/crops require nutrients and water to grow.
The main nutrients of nitrogen, phosphorus and potash (N, P, K) are taken up from the soil which are then replenished either by artificial inorganic fertilisers or organically via animal manure and composts. Only the latter, non-animal based, nutrient sources are acceptable to vegans hence vegan food production is non-sustainable on a large scale.

Yes but how many of them who are preaching to us are eating vegetables grown from cow poo, blood and bone meal.
They probably don’t even know!!

[cricketfieldclarets]

Yes but how many of them who are preaching to us are eating vegetables grown from cow poo, blood and bone meal.
They probably don’t even know!!

Or from industrial scale farming which kills and destroys the habitats of countless animals and birds...

[Hipper]

The answer is to use human poo. There are issues, such as pest control and things like antibiotics and hormones.

In the 1980s with a County Council we experimented with human waste. It worked well but the only issue was we got loads of tomato plants germinating! The seeds of tomatoes evolved so they pass through our body unharmed.

https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/articl ... ient-loop/

[Erasmus]

There will be some difficulties in switching our diet towards more plant foods but these can be overcome with a little ingenuity, as the above post suggests.

I would suggest that most of these articles, and the words of those who are drawn to them, are based on a very common line of ethical discussion. Rather than rationally evaluating the distinction between right and wrong, one seeks to create a line of ethical argument that simply justifies one's own self-interest.

In this case, people like to eat meat and so they will eagerly adopt any argument that gives justification for the perpetuation of self-interest. Or else, they will try to condemn the propagators of alternative ethical arguments at a personal level, often by using a pejorative label. Ask yourself, do you like this line of argument because it is genuinely ethical or because it gives justification for what you like doing?

[IanMcL]

Yes but how many of them who are preaching to us are eating vegetables grown from cow poo, blood and bone meal.
They probably don’t even know!!

They will all get mad cow!

[CleggHall]

Whatever the outcome/consensus, another new topic for this board which knows no bounds, long may it continue.

[Lowbankclaret]

There will be some difficulties in switching our diet towards more plant foods but these can be overcome with a little ingenuity, as the above post suggests.

I would suggest that most of these articles, and the words of those who are drawn to them, are based on a very common line of ethical discussion. Rather than rationally evaluating the distinction between right and wrong, one seeks to create a line of ethical argument that simply justifies one's own self-interest.

In this case, people like to eat meat and so they will eagerly adopt any argument that gives justification for the perpetuation of self-interest. Or else, they will try to condemn the propagators of alternative ethical arguments at a personal level, often by using a pejorative label. Ask yourself, do you like this line of argument because it is genuinely ethical or because it gives justification for what you like doing?

Well I have an allotment.
I use the 4 year rotation method and use chicken and cow poo each autumn.
Without it after 5-6 years nothing would grow

With no additions the soul becomes baron and nothing will grow.

Still not 100% sure how we can feed a vegan world.” Sustainably

[BFCmaj]

Interesting thread. Looking at India, it has the lowest per capita consumption of meat in the world but apparently manage to provide enough food without the need to rely entirely on animal byproducts for fertiliser.

[wilks_bfc]

Well I have an allotment.
I use the 4 year rotation method and use chicken and cow poo each autumn.
Without it after 5-6 years nothing would grow

With no additions the soul becomes baron and nothing will grow.

Still not 100% sure how we can feed a vegan world.” Sustainably

Well this thread has suddenly got deep

[Hipper]

Interesting thread. Looking at India, it has the lowest per capita consumption of meat in the world but apparently manage to provide enough food without the need to rely entirely on animal byproducts for fertiliser.

Not sure that's true. Plus It's not clear that India can feed itself properly:

http://www.fao.org/3/a0257e/A0257E04.htm

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/foo ... wise-62091

[Lord Beamish]

With no additions the soul becomes baron and nothing will grow.

In the spirit of the season; Baron Hardup?

[Lowbankclaret]

This is a good article on how vegan vegetables can be successfully grown.
The unfortunate conclusion of what I have been reading over the last few days is that UK vegans might well be eating vegetables but the vast majority are grown with animal bi-products from bone, blood and poo.

True vegan vegetables are rare.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... SApp_Other

[TheFamilyCat]

I wonder how confident anyone can be about where the food on their plate has come from and what was used to produce it.

I understand vegans not wanting to eat anything grown using blood and bone as a fertiliser but do they really object to manure?

[dsr]

I wonder how confident anyone can be about where the food on their plate has come from and what was used to produce it.

I understand vegans not wanting to eat anything grown using blood and bone as a fertiliser but do they really object to manure?

They object to all byproducts from animals that are bred to be killed. They wouldn't, I dare say, object to following wild buffalo and picking up their manure for fertilizer.

[Lowbankclaret]

They object to all byproducts from animals that are bred to be killed. They wouldn't, I dare say, object to following wild buffalo and picking up their manure for fertilizer.

Have you met many vegans!!!
They object to everything!!!

[Lowbankclaret]

A good old vegan, the world needs more of these people!!

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/ethic ... ism-faith/

[CleggHall]

Vegan beer is cloudy and horrible!