Ben Foakes has been really hard done to I think. He's our best wicket-keeper by far, and he made some runs as well.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:47 pmAnd he'll probably be playing mard arse as well because he's not keeping wicket. We must be very short of quality if he's even on the trip.
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Bairstow's living on past glories,i can't remenber the last decent test innings he's played,his one day form is fine,but he has to be left out of the 2nd test surely,there's marks over Pope but he at least has shown he can knuckle down and build an innings down the order,and longer-term he's the future,give the lad his chance if and when he's fit,Bairstow's had more lives than a cat,and he's still failing in the same manner.
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Like you said Bairstow should not be anywhere near the trip - his test form has been shocking for a couple of years at least now. Tbh Butler is pretty lucky to be on this tour too.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:47 pmAnd he'll probably be playing mard arse as well because he's not keeping wicket. We must be very short of quality if he's even on the trip.
But the main change that is needed is for Root to be released of the captaincy - he has far too big an influence on these out of form players being picked and other than that one big innings on a pitch I could have scored a century on his form has not been good enough.
Test cricket batting is about partnerships and we have not been able to do this for the last 2 or 3 years - our main players give away their wickets consistently and the times they do well recently have been because of a wonder innings by an individual....those innings should be a bonus not something you rely on.
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I think Pope would have definetely played but he's caught the bug that's been going round the squad.tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:20 pmBairstow's living on past glories,i can't remenber the last decent test innings he's played,his one day form is fine,but he has to be left out of the 2nd test surely,there's marks over Pope but he at least has shown he can knuckle down and build an innings down the order,and longer-term he's the future,give the lad his chance if and when he's fit,Bairstow's had more lives than a cat,and he's still failing in the same manner.
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S.A. 29/3 England bowlers at least fighting back.
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Well! let's see what happens if Pope's fit for the 2nd test,will the selectors/captain have the gumption to tell Bairstow he's sitting that one out,he appears undroppable despite his lack of runs,also there's rumours regarding his attitude,now KP might have had an egho,but at least he produced the goods where it mattered.
The bowlers are making a fist of this SA 30-3,still a healthy lead of 133 though,anything over 200 will be tough for England batting last.
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62-4 the skipper departs after a hostile barrage from Archer,England ckinging on just,but i'd still rather be in South Africa's position,lead of 165 and still power to add tomorrow.
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The selectors have never been able to grasp the nettles.
Root isn't a Captain. His batting has suffered.
He should have gone on to be an all time great England batsman. He's become a bang average Test player.
No idea who to appoint, but I'm not a selector.
Whole sale changes need to be made.
We're woeful.
Test cricket has become alien to English players.
Root isn't a Captain. His batting has suffered.
He should have gone on to be an all time great England batsman. He's become a bang average Test player.
No idea who to appoint, but I'm not a selector.
Whole sale changes need to be made.
We're woeful.
Test cricket has become alien to English players.
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The warning signs have been apparent for 2-3 years,batting post-Cook weak,the bowling's showing more promise,but Anderson and Broad won't last forever,poor negative captaincy,how many times does Root go on the defensive early in the opposition's innings.Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:20 pmThe selectors have never been able to grasp the nettles.
Root isn't a Captain. His batting has suffered.
He should have gone on to be an all time great England batsman. He's become a bang average Test player.
No idea who to appoint, but I'm not a selector.
Whole sale changes need to be made.
We're woeful.
Test cricket has become alien to English players.
Ben Stokes Ashes heroics masked a lot of England's defencies,2-2 flattered England in the summer,it took a wonder innings from Stokes to turn the Headingley test in England's favour,plus a lot of luck and poor Australian fielding in that last hour,and the 5th test Tim Paine inexplicably choose to bowl 1st,when he should have batted.
And the big difference in the 2 attacks wasn't just the seamers,Lyon is a world-class spinner,whereas Leach isn't.
And even there the failings were obvious,how many times did England get into a good place withe bat,and then subside meekly,ditto the NZ series in the 1st test,and again today 140-3 becomes 180 AO,you can't expect to compete in test match cricket when your batsman can't make big scores regularly.
The main problem is most of the XI now they'll be picked regardless of form,because of the lack of alternatives.
I completely agree England need a sweeping reform of the whole system,it's too comfortable for the players on central contracts.
And unless drastic action is taken over the next 12 months,another Ashes mauling down under awaits in 2021.
The really worrying aspect is this SA team are in transition themselves,and have a lot of rookies just starting their international careers,and yet despite not being at their best,they're heading for a convincing victory.
A simple piece of advice to Joseph Edward Root,if you''re lucky enough to win the toss at Cape Town,for the love of god man,bloody well bat first.
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Well said tiger76 --all very, very relevant to our present predicament and, as you said, it has been coming.tiger76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:56 pmThe warning signs have been apparent for 2-3 years,batting post-Cook weak,the bowling's showing more promise,but Anderson and Broad won't last forever,poor negative captaincy,how many times does Root go on the defensive early in the opposition's innings.
Ben Stokes Ashes heroics masked a lot of England's defencies,2-2 flattered England in the summer,it took a wonder innings from Stokes to turn the Headingley test in England's favour,plus a lot of luck and poor Australian fielding in that last hour,and the 5th test Tim Paine inexplicably choose to bowl 1st,when he should have batted.
And the big difference in the 2 attacks wasn't just the seamers,Lyon is a world-class spinner,whereas Leach isn't.
And even there the failings were obvious,how many times did England get into a good place withe bat,and then subside meekly,ditto the NZ series in the 1st test,and again today 140-3 becomes 180 AO,you can't expect to compete in test match cricket when your batsman can't make big scores regularly.
The main problem is most of the XI now they'll be picked regardless of form,because of the lack of alternatives.
I completely agree England need a sweeping reform of the whole system,it's too comfortable for the players on central contracts.
And unless drastic action is taken over the next 12 months,another Ashes mauling down under awaits in 2021.
The really worrying aspect is this SA team are in transition themselves,and have a lot of rookies just starting their international careers,and yet despite not being at their best,they're heading for a convincing victory.
A simple piece of advice to Joseph Edward Root,if you''re lucky enough to win the toss at Cape Town,for the love of god man,bloody well bat first.
I know that we have had sickness affecting our squad, however, we should be able to cover this without experiencing the problems which we have faced yet again in this Test.
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Shocking captaincy again this morning from Root. So negative.
Happy to predict another whitewash in the next ashes already
Happy to predict another whitewash in the next ashes already
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Sounds like a disaster this morning, Buttler and now Root gone off feeling unwell. Someone has to be big enough to tell Root it's not working for him as captain. Let him concentrate on his batting.
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272 ao, eventually.
Hope our highly unlikely run chase isn't too embarrassing.
Hope our highly unlikely run chase isn't too embarrassing.
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I think it is beyond highly unlikely but I think those were my thoughts at Headingley last August so who knows? But I don't think we'll get anywhere near.Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:12 pm272 ao, eventually.
Hope our highly unlikely run chase isn't too embarrassing.
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A lot of our bowling this morning was sub-standard with Archer in particular bowling far too short in an attempt to get batsmen to hook --they did several times ---for sixes and fours!
Interesting that the pundits are now talking about this ---why could Joe Root not see it?
You can guarantee that the South African bowlers will not make the same mistakes! This could prove to be a very big loss and I am the eternal optimist!
Interesting that the pundits are now talking about this ---why could Joe Root not see it?
You can guarantee that the South African bowlers will not make the same mistakes! This could prove to be a very big loss and I am the eternal optimist!
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Can't honestly see us getting anywhere near close, CT.
But I'll be more than happy to be wrong.
But I'll be more than happy to be wrong.
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Absolutely on the bowling, Ash.
My great nice thinks I'm I'm a crackpot by keep telling the TV to pitch the damn thing up!
My great nice thinks I'm I'm a crackpot by keep telling the TV to pitch the damn thing up!
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I think the big question is now - will we lose by over or below 200 runs.
I'd be surprised if we make more than 200, so a 200 run defeat is a definite possibility, (especially if Root and Buttler are ill).
I'd be surprised if we make more than 200, so a 200 run defeat is a definite possibility, (especially if Root and Buttler are ill).
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80-0 Burns and Sibley dug in .....
Come on England
Come on England
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Sibley gone now.
What have you done, BC?
What have you done, BC?
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111/1
Cant help but imagine the ghost of David Shepherd doing a little dance/hop just now
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121-1 Close of Play
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If these 2 can bat out the rest of the day, then there must be a decent chance that Root and Buttler will be feeling much better tomorrow. (Their contributions will be crucial).
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They've survived. Good effort.
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Burns played well.
Left the good length ones going wide & put the bad 'uns away.
Sibley was doing OK until he had a brain- burp and hurried a bad one on for C&B.
Left the good length ones going wide & put the bad 'uns away.
Sibley was doing OK until he had a brain- burp and hurried a bad one on for C&B.
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It's the hope that kills you
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Decent effort by England's top order 2nd dig,but why can't they bat like that in their 1st innings,still think another 250 is a big ask,but we've given ourselves a slim chance.
At least we've found a replacement for Sir Alastair,Burns once again proving his mettle in a tough situation.
At least we've found a replacement for Sir Alastair,Burns once again proving his mettle in a tough situation.
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The truly great fast bowlers use the bouncer.short-pitched ball as a surprise element in their armoury,they stick to a good line and length,and then when the batsman feels more confident in coming forwards,they'll slip in a short ball,Jofra is an exciting prospect,but he needs to learn quickly at TM level,this is when your skipper is important in giving out advice,but Root once again let's the game drift away,not for the 1st time in his rein.Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:17 pmA lot of our bowling this morning was sub-standard with Archer in particular bowling far too short in an attempt to get batsmen to hook --they did several times ---for sixes and fours!
Interesting that the pundits are now talking about this ---why could Joe Root not see it?
You can guarantee that the South African bowlers will not make the same mistakes! This could prove to be a very big loss and I am the eternal optimist!
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Another test match drubbing, all over once Stokes and Root were out.
Why put S Africa in when winning the toss?
Bairstow should be sent back to Yorkshire for a long time.
Can we not find any spin/slow bowler?
Why put S Africa in when winning the toss?
Bairstow should be sent back to Yorkshire for a long time.
Can we not find any spin/slow bowler?
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Yet again England battle in the 2nd innings,but this game was lost on day 2 with that collapse,you can't give anybody a 100 run lead on 1st innings,especially when you're batting 4th.
Joe Root still defending his decision to insert,SA won by 107 runs,and their 1st innings lead was 103,that tells a story.
'The toss was a 50-50 call'
England captain Joe Root: "It's been a really tough week off the field. Pretty much everything has been thrown at the group. We've had 10 guys go down ill. They have stood up and tried to put in the best performance possible.
"It's not been long since we've seen similar chases. We got ourselves in a position at lunch. We were fully confident we could chase those runs down.
"The 7-39 in the first innings was where the game was won and lost. It's disappointing, but pleasing to be better in the second innings.
"I still think the toss was a 50-50 call. At 111-5, there was an opportunity to get ahead of the game.
"Hopefully that's the end of the illness, so we can bounce back strong."
Completely agree about Bairstow,Pope must come in for Cape Town.
A spinner i'm stumped as to where we get a spinner from.
The only players that energed with credit are Sam Curran with the ball on day 1,Burns showed his class and patience again 2nd innings,Denly did OK a 50 and a 30 in a low-scoring game's fair enough,Sibley fought hard 2nd innings,but doubts remain over his technique.
Joe Root's record as captain is average at best.
Joe Root has now lost 15 of his 36 Tests in charge, compared to 17 wins. Of all England captains to have led in a minimum of 35 Tests, he is the only one with a losing percentage above 40.
The killer was 7-39 1st innings,and 7-64 2nd innings,we actually got into a decent place in both innings,and then fall like a deck of dominoes,not for the 1st time.
Joe Root still defending his decision to insert,SA won by 107 runs,and their 1st innings lead was 103,that tells a story.
'The toss was a 50-50 call'
England captain Joe Root: "It's been a really tough week off the field. Pretty much everything has been thrown at the group. We've had 10 guys go down ill. They have stood up and tried to put in the best performance possible.
"It's not been long since we've seen similar chases. We got ourselves in a position at lunch. We were fully confident we could chase those runs down.
"The 7-39 in the first innings was where the game was won and lost. It's disappointing, but pleasing to be better in the second innings.
"I still think the toss was a 50-50 call. At 111-5, there was an opportunity to get ahead of the game.
"Hopefully that's the end of the illness, so we can bounce back strong."
Completely agree about Bairstow,Pope must come in for Cape Town.
A spinner i'm stumped as to where we get a spinner from.
The only players that energed with credit are Sam Curran with the ball on day 1,Burns showed his class and patience again 2nd innings,Denly did OK a 50 and a 30 in a low-scoring game's fair enough,Sibley fought hard 2nd innings,but doubts remain over his technique.
Joe Root's record as captain is average at best.
Joe Root has now lost 15 of his 36 Tests in charge, compared to 17 wins. Of all England captains to have led in a minimum of 35 Tests, he is the only one with a losing percentage above 40.
The killer was 7-39 1st innings,and 7-64 2nd innings,we actually got into a decent place in both innings,and then fall like a deck of dominoes,not for the 1st time.
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And Anderson STILL hasn't made a ton. How on Earth does he keep his place!!???
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Just read Root's comments.
Surely if it's a 50 / 50 call at the toss and half the team (and more ) have been struggling with illness, then the last thing you want is to ask them to run about in the field on a hot day for a full day and more?
Best to bat on day one, and hope that at least a couple of them can put a long innings together whilst the rest get an extra day or so to recover.
Surely if it's a 50 / 50 call at the toss and half the team (and more ) have been struggling with illness, then the last thing you want is to ask them to run about in the field on a hot day for a full day and more?
Best to bat on day one, and hope that at least a couple of them can put a long innings together whilst the rest get an extra day or so to recover.
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The old adage still holds true,if in doubt always bat first,if South Africa had had to make say 200 or so to win 4th innings.i'm not sure they would have found it easy.what this decision shows to me is that Root doesn't trust his batting line-upnil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:34 pmJust read Root's comments.
Surely if it's a 50 / 50 call at the toss and half the team (and more ) have been struggling with illness, then the last thing you want is to ask them to run about in the field on a hot day for a full day and more?
Best to bat on day one, and hope that at least a couple of them can put a long innings together whilst the rest get an extra day or so to recover.
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Is it any wonder he doesn't trust his batting line-up ---you gave the reasons in your long post a couple of items up the thread ---your last sentence says it all!
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That's why there has to be changes for the 2nd test,failure has been rewarded for far too long in this England set-up,Bairstow has to go,he's been a walking wicket for 2 years now in test cricket,Sibley battled hard in the 2nd innings but he needs to work on his technique,as Rory Burns did after the Ireland test,before he can be considered a reliable opener,Denly's a solid enough number 3 for mow,but he has an unfortunate habit of reaching 50 and then getting out,he needs to turn these starts into hundreds if he's going to be around for the next Ashes,the bigger problem is there isn't many obvious options,Pope can come in at 6 for Bairstow,but beyond that the cupboard's pretty bare.Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:03 pmIs it any wonder he doesn't trust his batting line-up ---you gave the reasons in your long post a couple of items up the thread ---your last sentence says it all!
The thing for me is if Joe doesn't trust the batting line-up,surely it's still better batting 1st,and if they can put 250+ on the board,at least then England would be in the game,that's what SA did thanks to De Kock's innings,and ultimately that proved the difference between the sides.
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Can't argue against any of that apart from adding that I don't feel that Joe Root is a good leader and he is a square peg in a round hole and I am convinced that this has also affected his batting, with the innings in New Zealand on a real flat pitch just papering over the cracks.tiger76 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:35 pmThat's why there has to be changes for the 2nd test,failure has been rewarded for far too long in this England set-up,Bairstow has to go,he's been a walking wicket for 2 years now in test cricket,Sibley battled hard in the 2nd innings but he needs to work on his technique,as Rory Burns did after the Ireland test,before he can be considered a reliable opener,Denly's a solid enough number 3 for mow,but he has an unfortunate habit of reaching 50 and then getting out,he needs to turn these starts into hundreds if he's going to be around for the next Ashes,the bigger problem is there isn't many obvious options,Pope can come in at 6 for Bairstow,but beyond that the cupboard's pretty bare.
The thing for me is if Joe doesn't trust the batting line-up,surely it's still better batting 1st,and if they can put 250+ on the board,at least then England would be in the game,that's what SA did thanks to De Kock's innings,and ultimately that proved the difference between the sides.
It may well be time to give someone else a go ---did you see Stokes laying into one of the guys when Root was off the park? Interesting encounter!
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I heard about Stokes confronting one of the fielders yes,if they're looking for a change now would seem an obvious time to appoint Stokes,he's the natural candidate,and Chris Silverwood needs to stamp his authority,plus the test team has to move on from the Trevor Bayliss era.Ashingtonclaret46 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:43 pmCan't argue against any of that apart from adding that I don't feel that Joe Root is a good leader and he is a square peg in a round hole and I am convinced that this has also affected his batting, with the innings in New Zealand on a real flat pitch just papering over the cracks.
It may well be time to give someone else a go ---did you see Stokes laying into one of the guys when Root was off the park? Interesting encounter!
I actually think the problems run deeper in English cricket,and until the CC gets serious attention,and not shunted into a late Spring and late Summer window to accomodate all the white ball cricket,which generates the revenue for the counties,then sadly nothing will improve in the test arena.
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