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I Have To Say..

Post by Lord Beamish » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:14 pm

... that after not getting an ST this season, I’m not really tempted to change that this summer. That was an awful show of Football, today. Win, lose, or draw, we’re generally awful to behold.
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Post by Joe14 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:20 pm

O well aren’t you brilliant. :!: You sound like you want a medal!! :shock:

I personally can’t wait to be supporting the mighty Clarets on the Turf on Saturday. Hope your Saturday night is well exciting ;)
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Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:22 pm

More exciting than 20% possession and looking at the sky for 90 minutes.

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Post by agreenwood » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:22 pm

We’ll continue to get results with Dyche at the helm. It’s just not particularly entertaining and the defeats, when they come, are a tough watch.
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Post by Lord Beamish » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:23 pm

Joe14 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:20 pm


I personally can’t wait to be supporting the mighty Clarets on the Turf on Saturday.
I sound like I want a medal?

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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:24 pm

agreenwood wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:22 pm
We’ll continue to get results with Dyche at the helm. It’s just not particularly entertaining and the defeats, when they come, are a tough watch.
The victories aren't much better

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Post by taio » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:26 pm

you've been saying for some time you've fallen out of love with football so yes no point getting a season ticket

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Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:28 pm

Preston are playing better than I've seen us play in 3 months.

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Post by Lord Beamish » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:28 pm

taio wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:26 pm
you've been saying for some time you've fallen out of love with football so yes no point getting a season ticket
Burnley’s style is hardly going to re-kindle my passion, is it?
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Post by taio » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:29 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:28 pm
Burnley’s style is hardly going to re-kindle my passion, is it?
no

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Post by Corky » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:34 pm

As I live in the South East I do not get to many games. My Son and I made the mistake of coming up for the Chelsea match which was a strange one and not particularly enjoyable. Anyway we had previously been to Arsenal and Brighton so only seen us draw. Thought we didn't do too badly at Arsenal, but didn't realise at the time how poor they were. Brighton was awful.

Anyway as it is the Xmas season got a card from my cousin in Yarkshire who said that he had managed to get across to Burnley for a few games but it was dire stuff.

I think people are just getting a bit fed up with Dycheball.
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Post by Murger » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:39 pm

I think I'm in the same boat. On current viewing, I shall not be renewing. It's become such a chore watching us play.

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Post by ablueclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:40 pm

The failure to recruit young talent over the past three years is the saddest part of this club, it is the young players coming through who bring hope.

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Post by MT03ALG » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:42 pm

So, to avoid Dycheball, what would you suggest? Give all the players a blood transfusion in an attempt to give them 5 yards extra pace ? Etc. Etc. We play to our strengths. it is impossible to play to strengths you do not have....

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Post by chekhov » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:44 pm

We played very well against West Ham, we actually have the potential to play decent football.
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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:45 pm

MT03ALG wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:42 pm
So, to avoid Dycheball, what would you suggest? Give all the players a blood transfusion in an attempt to give them 5 yards extra pace ? Etc. Etc. We play to our strengths. it is impossible to play to strengths you do not have....
Our players are capable of passing the ball to each other. They wouldn't have made it so far in their careers if they were not.

They are being coached to play one way - hoof it as far as you can into a channel and hope someone will run on to it. Our players are being badly let down by very poor coaching.
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Post by Safron » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:48 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:45 pm
Our players are capable of passing the ball to each other. They wouldn't have made it so far in their careers if they were not.

They are being coached to play one way - hoof it as far as you can into a channel and hope someone will run on to it. Our players are being badly let down by very poor coaching.
Spot on

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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:48 pm

I don't have to say it, but look at me, look at me anyway.

I'm Lord Rebel.

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Post by FCBurnley » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:13 pm

Only good news from today is that Tarks and Barnes are still only on 4 yellows so neither will miss the United game who are currently dismantling a dreadful Newcastle

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:17 pm

ablueclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:40 pm
The failure to recruit young talent over the past three years is the saddest part of this club, it is the young players coming through who bring hope.
Bloody hell, who dug you up?
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Post by Rileybobs » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:18 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:45 pm
Our players are capable of passing the ball to each other. They wouldn't have made it so far in their careers if they were not.

They are being coached to play one way - hoof it as far as you can into a channel and hope someone will run on to it. Our players are being badly let down by very poor coaching.
If our players are being let down by very poor coaching then they wouldn't all, pretty much to a man, be playing at the highest level of their career. It's stupid comments like this that get shot down.

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Post by IanMcL » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:21 pm

We played some super stuff in the Championship.


However, we do, on occasion, play some super stuff in the prem.
Carry on Clarets.
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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:22 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:18 pm
If our players are being let down by very poor coaching then they wouldn't all, pretty much to a man, be playing at the highest level of their career. It's stupid comments like this that get shot down.
Forgive me Riley, I just wanted to see some semblance of a shot today, even if it was my own comment on the receiving end.

With regards to my post, I believe they are being badly coached in terms of passing the ball and it's making them all look totally incompetent. They don't look like they know how to pass to each other, and of course they clearly do or they wouldn't have become professionals.

They are being well coached in terms of resilience etc, but they needn't necessarily have become footballers to be well versed in that area.

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Post by MACCA » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:26 pm

I think the next window could well sway the next batch of fans still undecided on next season.

I personally cant see the direction we are wanting to go in, in both players and playing style, but think the next 2 windows should show the plan.
ÌF Mr Dyche still recruits ageing do a jobs, and theres not much in terms if youth, flair or creativity brought in I can see a fairly large fan drop off.

People say being entertained isnt a factor in supporting your team, but I think it is.
I'm not sure any way fan had anything to get excited at or cheer today, and youd be hard pressed to find anyone who enjoyed any part of that game.
It's often not sometimes the loss that hurts, it's the way you lose.

Give me a 3-2 or 4-3 ding dong defeat over a 1-0 like today every single time.

But as we all know 17th is the aim and Mr Dyche's approach, tactics and style will get you that 9 out of 10 seasons.
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Post by TVC15 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:26 pm

Other than picking him in the first place not sure how Dyche can be blamed for Brady not being able to pass a ball 2 yards and trying to play the impossible killer ball every f’in time.

I agree we do need some rebuilding at the club though - loads of players not good enough who do not deserve a new contract or will be choosing to leave. I’d take us scraping survival this year with awful football as long as we start the process of building for the future in the next 2 or 3 transfer windows.
I don’t believe that Dyche does not want his team to play more football - that does not mean I agree with all his decisions and tactics by any means whatsoever- but that it is more complicated than just saying he sends his teams to go out and play like we did today every week.
You can keep it tight, play 2 banks of four and still play well - as we have proven many many times. But if your key players in midfield and upfront play poorly what can you do ?
In this league they have to over perform to their ability if we are to stand any chance.
If they play to their ability and we get lucky or our defence is brilliant then we can pick up wins - that’s what we often do.
If we under perform - like today - then you are relying on the other team missing loads of chances or Pope and the defence being heroes - and this is what nearly happened today because I thought our keeper and defence were all brilliant today but that nobody else in the team played well.
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Post by FactualFrank » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:27 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:17 pm
Bloody hell, who dug you up?
One of the comments of 2019.

I don't dislike him, but he does come out at the strangest of times.

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Post by Rileybobs » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:28 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:22 pm
Forgive me Riley, I just wanted to see some semblance of a shot today, even if it was my own comment on the receiving end.

With regards to my post, I believe they are being badly coached in terms of passing the ball and it's making them all look totally incompetent. They don't look like they know how to pass to each other, and of course they clearly do or they wouldn't have become professionals.

They are being well coached in terms of resilience etc, but they needn't necessarily have become footballers to be well versed in that area.
I wanted to see some semblance of a shot today too. I'm very unhappy with how we played today but I am grounded enough to realise that you can't play well and win every week. Following a football team is full of disappointments so there is no need to over-exaggerate when things don't go your way.

And there's no point whatsoever in making ridiculous comments like our players receive very poor coaching when the results that the coaches are measured by suggest entirely the opposite.
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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:33 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:28 pm
I wanted to see some semblance of a shot today too. I'm very unhappy with how we played today but I am grounded enough to realise that you can't play well and win every week. Following a football team is full of disappointments so there is no need to over-exaggerate when things don't go your way.

And there's no point whatsoever in making ridiculous comments like our players receive very poor coaching when the results that the coaches are measured by suggest entirely the opposite.
Oh come on, we hardly ever play well. We win, but we win very ugly more often than not.

I don't think it is ridiculous. Do you think our players are well-coached when it comes to passing, invention, creativity? I've said they are well coached in other areas, but on the technical side of the game? Not for me.
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Post by Safron » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:37 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:33 pm
Oh come on, we hardly ever play well. We win, but we win very ugly more often than not.

I don't think it is ridiculous. Do you think our players are well-coached when it comes to passing, invention, creativity? I've said they are well coached in other areas, but on the technical side of the game? Not for me.
Exactly,but remember you are not allowed an negative opinion on here :D

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Post by Rileybobs » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:37 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:33 pm
Oh come on, we hardly ever play well. We win, but we win very ugly more often than not.

I don't think it is ridiculous. Do you think our players are well-coached when it comes to passing, invention, creativity? I've said they are well coached in other areas, but on the technical side of the game? Not for me.
I disagree, we play well fairly often. We've gone through a couple of months without playing well often enough but that's not to say we hardly ever do. Again, it smacks of a knee-jerk reaction. Remember the most recent couple of performances and totally forget the occasions where we have played well and in some cases blown away the opposition.

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Post by kaptin1 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:37 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:27 pm
One of the comments of 2019.

I don't dislike him, but he does come out at the strangest of times.
Out of the blue

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Post by Rileybobs » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:41 pm

Safron wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:37 pm
Exactly,but remember you are not allowed an negative opinion on here :D
You are allowed a negative opinion. It's just that like in all walks of life other people are entitled to question your opinion. Unless you are saying that positive opinions are not allowed on here?

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Post by claret wizard » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:42 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:14 pm
... that after not getting an ST this season, I’m not really tempted to change that this summer. That was an awful show of Football, today. Win, lose, or draw, we’re generally awful to behold.
Plenty of seats at Ewood for floaters like you.
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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:43 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:37 pm
I disagree, we play well fairly often. We've gone through a couple of months without playing well often enough but that's not to say we hardly ever do. Again, it smacks of a knee-jerk reaction. Remember the most recent couple of performances and totally forget the occasions where we have played well and in some cases blown away the opposition.
Not about being knee-jerk, I've thought and said the same for a long time. I don't like the football we play. It's mostly rubbish.

Stupid, ridiculous, preposterous, knee-jerk; call my view whatever you feel is appropriate, but it won't change the fact I want to see us be technically much better much more often.
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Post by Inchy » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:48 pm

Even though we are in a better spot than this time last year I am finding this the most unenjoyable season under Dyche. I’m not sure why this is the case, maybe the cumulative effect.


We have no pace, when have the chance to break we slow it down and then it just goes back to the keeper for a long ball.

It’s really painful at times. Even when we win it isn’t massively enjoyable
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Post by Barry_Chuckle » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:51 pm

claret wizard wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:42 pm
Plenty of seats at Ewood for floaters like you.
And an increasing number at Turf Moor.
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Post by kaptin1 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:52 pm

With the exception of Sheff Utd, who are ripping it up this year, I don’t see too many other sides playing attractive winning football outside of the top four. Two of those that do try and pass it around neatly, Norwich and Villa, are currently in the bottom three because they are too open and can’t defend. I don’t particularly like how we play but accept that with our resources it is a necessary evil to get results.
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Post by ClaretLoup » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:56 pm

claret wizard wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:42 pm
Plenty of seats at Ewood for floaters like you.
No matter how bad things may or may not be at Turf Moor why would any Burnley fan suggest that anyone go and offer financial help or support to our most deadly rivals?

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Post by Marvins Van » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:58 pm

OP
congratulations on your post.
made my Christmas to know how you feel.
me, I could not be more satisfied as to how we are as a club, don't expect you are too interested to know that..
Thank the lord for Davemanu2000 etal..

I will now put my head back in the sand - quite happily.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:01 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:56 pm
No matter how bad things may or may not be at Turf Moor why would any Burnley fan suggest that anyone go and offer financial help or support to our most deadly rivals?
Only deadly to the equine.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:03 pm

kaptin1 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:37 pm
Out of the blue
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Post by SGr » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:05 pm

Let’s be honest, we’ve become way more dependent on whipping it into the big men up front this season than ever before. We’re more one dimensional than ever before. And I put that down to recruitment once again.

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Post by jrgbfc » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:11 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:14 pm
... that after not getting an ST this season, I’m not really tempted to change that this summer. That was an awful show of Football, today. Win, lose, or draw, we’re generally awful to behold.
You aren't allowed to say that on here.

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Post by expoultryboy » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:16 pm

Ksr : i think you must of missed it , Jay tried to catch pickford out with a first time shot early in the second half . It went out for a throw-in !!

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Post by SGr » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:17 pm

Not speaking for myself here, but I do feel like the allure of us being in the Premier League is rapidly fading for many. Partly because of the style of play maybe, but mostly because of our complete lack of competitiveness in games against the “big 6”

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Post by KRBFC » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:27 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:26 pm
Other than picking him in the first place not sure how Dyche can be blamed for Brady not being able to pass a ball 2 yards and trying to play the impossible killer ball every f’in time.


In this league they have to over perform to their ability if we are to stand any chance.
If they play to their ability and we get lucky or our defence is brilliant then we can pick up wins.
1. It’s not just Brady and it’s not just 1 game.

2. We played awful football in the Championship when we had arguably the strongest side on paper in the league and one of the highest wage bills.

This isn’t just a “we can’t compete financially so let’s try scrape results” thing, it’s quite clearly Dyches way of playing, love it or hate it, let’s call a spade, a spade.

The excuses others make of needing billions to play decent football makes no sense, Sheffield United, Us under Coyle. People say “well we don’t have the players to play attractive football” let me remind you, Dyche signed these players.
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Post by turfytopper » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:38 pm

Corky wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:34 pm
As I live in the South East I do not get to many games. My Son and I made the mistake of coming up for the Chelsea match which was a strange one and not particularly enjoyable. Anyway we had previously been to Arsenal and Brighton so only seen us draw. Thought we didn't do too badly at Arsenal, but didn't realise at the time how poor they were. Brighton was awful.

Anyway as it is the Xmas season got a card from my cousin in Yarkshire who said that he had managed to get across to Burnley for a few games but it was dire stuff.

I think people are just getting a bit fed up with Dycheball.
Yes we should go 'toe to toe' with the opposition and play open football. Of course we'd get absolutely stuffed, but I'm sure everyone would be really happy.

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Post by Dixie Normous » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:40 pm

On Twitter it’s lots of Everton saying what a good win against a ‘tough’ Burnley side .
Same place lots of Man U posts dreading meeting us , saying how hard we are to break down and how much their form shifts .
Perspective eh ?
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Re: I Have To Say..

Post by dougcollins » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:44 pm

They don't have to watch us as often as we do.

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Re: I Have To Say..

Post by burnleymik » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:45 pm

Dixie Normous wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:40 pm
On Twitter it’s lots of Everton saying what a good win against a ‘tough’ Burnley side .
Same place lots of Man U posts dreading meeting us , saying how hard we are to break down and how much their form shifts .
Perspective eh ?
I don't think anyone could dispute we are hard to breakdown, defensively we are really really good, but we seriously lack creativity and the ability to play anything other than route 1 football. Mcneil even going backwards with every pass today.

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