McNeil Needs A Rest

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McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by warksclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:19 pm

He is not himself and today other than his cross to Brady contributed very little. Sadly he runs around looking disinterested so hard to read if he cares. He gives the ball away very easily which is fine when making a major contribution. His error today led to their goal, and the same happened in the first half

With JBG back we might see him and Hendrick start on Saturday and use Dwight as an impact player as sub (we sadly dont jave many game changers)

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:20 pm

and that's the problem with such a mediocre squad - most know they will start the following game no matter how they play, investment desperately needed at the beginning of January

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by taio » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:22 pm

he's been one our best players so shouldn't be dropped. nobody in midfield or up front played well so dont see the need to single him out

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:22 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:19 pm
He is not himself and today other than his cross to Brady contributed very little. Sadly he runs around looking disinterested so hard to read if he cares. He gives the ball away very easily which is fine when making a major contribution. His error today led to their goal, and the same happened in the first half

With JBG back we might see him and Hendrick start on Saturday and use Dwight as an impact player as sub (we sadly dont jave many game changers)
He definitely does need a rest!
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:23 pm

McNeil is the only player who can pass the ball, cross the ball, hold up the ball and carry the ball properly.

If we drop him we're doomed
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:31 pm

he looks knackered but he has to play as he is our only creative player - no way you can drop him against his old club, serious point to prove
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Belgianclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:32 pm

Wasn't the worse, gave away the ball for the winner though

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by tiger76 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:36 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:23 pm
McNeil is the only player who can pass the ball, cross the ball, hold up the ball and carry the ball properly.

If we drop him we're doomed
That's the worry he's our only creative outlet ATM,he was punished for the mistake today though,this league is unforgiving,and that'll be a harsh lesson.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:41 pm

He needs a club where he is allowed to attack where he is given space. He will be off.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by ablueclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:44 pm

Was a day to play Jay out wide with Barnes and Wood up front.
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Silkyskills1 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:53 pm

A few need a rest based on that showing. Was there a game plan today against a nervous side who couldn't really afford to lose? Going 1-0 down had an inevitability about it despite it coming so late but we just squandered the rest of the match to them as we had done the previous 80 mins. I imagine that all managers have plans for games(even cunning ones) but I would never have envisaged a centre half who hasn't played all season being thrown on as a centre forward when there were already two there to begin with. Desperately poor fayre for either fan or neutral and just again unacceptable.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by kaptin1 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:59 pm

He’s only 20 and Xmas is very exciting for kids, so probably didn’t sleep on Xmas eve :-)

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by claretspice » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:02 pm

He could do with playing in a position where we can get him on the ball and influence the game.

Increasingly, that's somewhere other than the left wing. Everton stopped the ball getting to him tout there today and when he got the ball there in his own half they had a pretty good idea what he was going to try.
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by joey13 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:02 pm

He wasn’t much at better at Bournemouth

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by IanMcL » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:05 pm

Very harsh on a lad who has won us many games, through his skilful crosses.

One bad 'un is no reason to get on his back.
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by pushpinpussy » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:10 pm

just thought I would have a quick read on this site after todays game and I came across this thread. shame on the absolute idiot who started this thread. I recommend you spend some time with your family and friends and put your computer down. your an embarrassment. this lad has been class. I'm off to spend time with the family. please do the same and enjoy your boxing day, head up Dwight,

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by warksclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:12 pm

There's nothing wrong with having a rest and coming back more determined-its a squad game as Hendrick and Rodriguez are proving.There are a huge amount of talented players in the PL not guarranteed to start. With JBG back it gives us a serious option-sadly Brady has been given an opportunity in the past 3-4 and something does not appear right with him-hes not even being considered for free kicks. One of his crosses today was shocking

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by dougcollins » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:12 pm

McNeil is a defender in our away set up. I'm not saying that's right, but that's how it is.

Keep a clean sheet and nick a goal. If the other side score first there is no plan B (Tottenham away, concede after 5 mins and we're finished).

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by MACCA » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:17 pm

Seems to struggle away from home, when we dont have the ball, he needs it regularly to get into the game.

When being asked to defend for a large percent of the game it isnt when he is effective as he is weak, and not the fastest without the ball and running back towards his own goal.

He is best with the ball at regularly and running at the opposition.

You can count on 1 hand the opportunity he has had to do that in the last 2 games.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by dougcollins » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:18 pm

Answer - play someone else in away games?

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Aclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:24 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:23 pm
McNeil is the only player who can pass the ball, cross the ball, hold up the ball and carry the ball properly.

If we drop him we're doomed
From where I was standing he didn't do any of that, Mind you Brady was worse.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by ashtonlongsider » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:40 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:19 pm
He is not himself and today other than his cross to Brady contributed very little. Sadly he runs around looking disinterested so hard to read if he cares. He gives the ball away very easily which is fine when making a major contribution. His error today led to their goal, and the same happened in the first half
Only just got in from Goodison and I usually like to collect my thoughts before posting. However I fully agree with the post. In fact, a rest for our Dwight is long overdue imo. At times he may be our best outlet, but for me he lacks the physicality at times in our system. The way he gave that ball away that led to their goal was very poor. Certainly not the only player that was guilty of a poor performance, there were one or two more experienced players who for me were left wanting.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Jakubs Tash » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:53 pm

claretspice wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:02 pm
He could do with playing in a position where we can get him on the ball and influence the game.

Increasingly, that's somewhere other than the left wing. Everton stopped the ball getting to him tout there today and when he got the ball there in his own half they had a pretty good idea what he was going to try.
Agree with this. But our manager is too stubborn/rigid to change this system....particularly when he needs to be proactive. At 0-0 today he could quite easily have taken Wood for JBG and moved McNeil into a number 10 position. SD just seems to change wingers for wingers and forwards for forwards (or sometimes Kevin Long!!?!).

SD need to be more flexible with his shape and his 'game-plan'. If he needs to bring 2 or 3 players in to be able to do this then I'd be happy for him to do that.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by nyclaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:54 pm

He doesn’t need a rest. We don’t have anyone else to come into the team. Brady? No chance. We need to change our tactics to allow McNeil’s talent to flourish.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:21 pm

He’ll get his rest and he does need one for the FA Cup tie and the week off coming up.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by SkiptonClaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:25 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:21 pm
He’ll get his rest and he does need one for the FA Cup tie and the week off coming up.
Is Peterborough when we throw the youngsters in ? (Hart, Pieters, Lennon, Longy)

As an aside has there ever been a player more disinterested than Brady ? He Just exudes “couldn’t give a sh1t” What was all that with the water bottle on the bench today ? Bants with Drinky ?

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by dougcollins » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:52 pm

SkiptonClaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:25 pm
Is Peterborough when we throw the youngsters in ? (Hart, Pieters, Lennon, Longy)

As an aside has there ever been a player more disinterested than Brady ? He Just exudes “couldn’t give a sh1t” What was all that with the water bottle on the bench today ? Bants with Drinky ?
I saw that, I thought he was trying to hit Barnes as he left the bench. How I laughed.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by SkiptonClaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:59 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:52 pm
I saw that, I thought he was trying to hit Barnes as he left the bench. How I laughed.
I assume that’s what he was trying to do.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Helmshore Claret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:16 pm

Rest him against Man Utd and bring him back fresh,for our 'big game' against Villa.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:18 pm

Giving him a rest....WTF?
By that I hope you mean drop him....a rest ffs :roll:

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:27 pm

All my mates agreed In the pub before the game he’s our only attacking outlet! If anything Brady as a senior player should be doing more. Dwight has had a good season so far based on his ability but I wouldn’t blame him or drop him as its the position he’s been asked to play

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Andreshotboots » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:29 pm

He needs to be allowed to do what he's good at rather than constantly spend his time as a second left back.
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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:49 pm

McNeil is a footballer. Playing for us he spends most of the game playing as a 2nd left back or watching the ball sail over his head.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Pepperclaret » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:56 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:49 pm
McNeil is a footballer. Playing for us he spends most of the game playing as a 2nd left back or watching the ball sail over his head.
He is the most creative player we currently have and should operate just behind the front two. To have him consistently chasing back is a complete waste of his talent. Everton remembered how well he played against them earlier in the season and subsequently ' doubled and roughed him up'. This certainly worked and we had no 'outlet' at all. The midfield were chasing shadows and although the defence were outstanding it was only a matter of time before Everton got their clear chance.
Until we inject more players of McNeil's talent into the team games will always be won or lost on an attricional basis.
C'est la vie as they say in Padiham

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by Andreshotboots » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:26 am

Love to see him playing as a "floating number 10" with an almost free role to create. Under Dyche there's more chance of Stephen Hawking getting that role, and he's been dead a year.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by SGr » Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:14 pm

He’s literally the only creator in the team. If you want him to track back all the time/become another Boyd-esque marathon runner, then go out and buy a creator for the middle. Can’t have it both ways.

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Re: McNeil Needs A Rest

Post by ClaretRock » Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:41 pm

People getting on the OP's back for posting this need to look at his game. He does tire through 90 minutes and he has been a main stay in our team this season (first full season) however he not been at the levels he started the season. He does look tired and maybe a bit frustrated so I agree that a game or two on the bench might do him good. He will play a big part in helping us grind out some W's at the end of the season but the young lad looks nakered after a busy few weeks.

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