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We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:14 pm

Hendrick today ;)
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Re: We missed

Post by WestMidsClaret » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:15 pm

We missed a midfield.

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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:16 pm

WestMidsClaret wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:15 pm
We missed a midfield.
We missed Hendrick today :lol:
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Re: We missed

Post by tim_noone » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:17 pm

Big John Gayle.
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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:20 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:17 pm
Big John Gayle.
We missed Hendrick today...end of,and we will miss him when he departs at the end of the season...fantastic footballer is Jeff,but ridiculed by our know all support on here. :(
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Re: We missed

Post by tim_noone » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:30 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:20 pm
We missed Hendrick today...end of,and we will miss him when he departs at the end of the season...fantastic footballer is Jeff,but ridiculed by our know all support on here. :(
We missed by a whisker getting the point we were after today...

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Re: We missed

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:34 pm

We still miss John Deary, never mind Hendrick.

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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:34 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:30 pm
We missed by a whisker getting the point we were after today...
Yes we did, like I said we missed Jeff Hendrick today.

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Re: We missed

Post by thedoge » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:34 pm

Fine margines
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Re: We missed

Post by tim_noone » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:44 pm

thedoge wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:34 pm
Fine margines
Indeed.

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Re: We missed

Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:47 pm

Gudmundson and Barnes fromt start for me

Especially with Hendrick out.

Brady doesn't cut it.
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Re: We missed

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:49 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:20 pm
We missed Hendrick today...end of,and we will miss him when he departs at the end of the season...fantastic footballer is Jeff,but ridiculed by our know all support on here. :(
Yeah missed him running about

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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:51 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:49 pm
Yeah missed him running about
Exactly it's what footballers do. :roll:

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Re: We missed

Post by BOYSIE31 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:53 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:51 pm
Exactly it's what footballers do. :roll:
Ha but that's all he can do

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Re: We missed

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:19 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:47 pm
Gudmundson and Barnes fromt start for me

Especially with Hendrick out.

Brady doesn't cut it.
Still waiting for Brady to play the way we know he is capable

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Re: We missed

Post by Bfcboyo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:55 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:19 pm
Still waiting for Brady to play the way we know he is capable
It is not all Dyche. The season with Defour half fit showed some great play. It is the pawns he has available.

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Re: We missed

Post by Andreshotboots » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:10 am

Bfcboyo wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:55 pm
It is not all Dyche. The season with Defour half fit showed some great play. It is the pawns he has available.
Not retracing old ground but he's wasted millions on players who can barely make the squad. He's had cash relative to our club size, he's just wasted lots of it.
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Re: We missed

Post by Row Z » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:20 am

£26mil in Gibson and Vydra, neither in the squad and neither playing any part in our season - inexcusable for a club our size and finances - as Dyche likes to tell us about.

Buck stops with the manager and how he sets his team up, not many players here now were signed before Dyche took over...

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Re: We missed

Post by claretblue » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:23 am

Row Z wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:20 am
not many players here now were signed before Dyche took over...
our substitute striker was! :?

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Re: We missed

Post by JohnMac » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:03 am

In the very limited time he has spent on the pitch my impression of Gibson is 'a rough diamond'.

Pulling shirts at set pieces in the box won't cut it at the PL level especially with players schooled at RADA and VAR.

Him not getting much game time is more about Tarkowski/Mee and I just don't see Gibson making a poistive impact at this stage.

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Re: We missed

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:30 am

Maybe the real reason Gibson doesn’t get much of a
look-in is that we have one of the most effective centre-back partnerships in the league. They were both fantastic yesterday.

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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:33 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:19 pm
Still waiting for Brady to play the way we know he is capable
I hope your prepared for a long wait because it ain't ever going to happen

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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:35 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:30 am
Maybe the real reason Gibson doesn’t get much of a
look-in is that we have one of the most effective centre-back partnerships in the league. They were both fantastic yesterday.
Defending is part of the game,watching Mee & Tarkowski defend for their lives is a fantastic thing to watch,they are excellent at it.
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Re: We missed

Post by Bosscat » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:39 am

thedoge wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:34 pm
Fine margines
Storks not bad but I prefer Bertoli thats a fine Margerine
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Re: We missed

Post by IanMcL » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:52 am

Andreshotboots wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:10 am
Not retracing old ground but he's wasted millions on players who can barely make the squad. He's had cash relative to our club size, he's just wasted lots of it.
Of course he has.

Just lucky he fluked... Nick Pope, Tom Heaton, Lowton, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Ward, Taylor, Gudmundsson, Barton, Defour, Gray, Barnes, Wood, Boyd, Arfield, Brady, Hendrick, Westwood etc and able to introduce McNeil, develop the existing staff get us promoted twice (inc Champions), get into Europe for the first time in over 50 years, get a superb training facility built and maintain our Prem status, on a shoestring budget, for several seasons, thus defying gravity.

No idea how he has hoodwinked everyone for over 7 years and still in his job for life!

You made a really good point............not.

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Re: We missed

Post by Row Z » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:50 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:52 am
Of course he has.

Just lucky he fluked... Nick Pope, Tom Heaton, Lowton, Bardsley, Tarkowski, Ward, Taylor, Gudmundsson, Barton, Defour, Gray, Barnes, Wood, Boyd, Arfield, Brady, Hendrick, Westwood etc and able to introduce McNeil, develop the existing staff get us promoted twice (inc Champions), get into Europe for the first time in over 50 years, get a superb training facility built and maintain our Prem status, on a shoestring budget, for several seasons, thus defying gravity.

No idea how he has hoodwinked everyone for over 7 years and still in his job for life!

You made a really good point............not.
I don't think anyone is questioning his achievements as the period of success has been beyond anyone's expectations.

It is more that he talks of a lack of finance at every opportunity, yet he has been backed on Gibson / Vydra / Drinkwater / Vossen / Hennings / Wells / Walters / Crouch / Lennon / Brady / Hart etc.

It's not a matter of comparing his successful transfers versus his non-successful as I too would argue he has made more good signings than bad, but the point is that he has had money to spend and has signed the majority of the squad himself, so we are playing by the methodology of the manager, not just the tools he has to work with.

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Re: We missed

Post by tiger76 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:09 pm

I really don't see what difference Hendrick would have made yesterday,our whole midfield Westwood accepted needs an upgrade in the next 2 windows.

Our defending was immense,and on another day we could have nicked a point,but it would have been an undeserved point on the balance of play.

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Re: We missed

Post by Helmshore Claret » Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:05 pm

'We missed'- Dyche being his normal self!!!

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Re: We missed

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:07 pm

When Tarky goes end of season for 50m etc and Gibson then becomes the “ new Tarky” all will become clear

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Re: We missed

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:27 am

Steve1956 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:33 am
I hope your prepared for a long wait because it ain't ever going to happen
Have to agree

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Re: We missed

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:02 am

Row Z wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:50 pm
I don't think anyone is questioning his achievements as the period of success has been beyond anyone's expectations.

It is more that he talks of a lack of finance at every opportunity, yet he has been backed on Gibson / Vydra / Drinkwater / Vossen / Hennings / Wells / Walters / Crouch / Lennon / Brady / Hart etc.

It's not a matter of comparing his successful transfers versus his non-successful as I too would argue he has made more good signings than bad, but the point is that he has had money to spend and has signed the majority of the squad himself, so we are playing by the methodology of the manager, not just the tools he has to work with.
I’m not sure Dyche talks about lack of finance at every opportunity. When we come up against the big clubs he has a point though. In terms of the cost and quality of a Manchester City team for example we should expect to lose 5-0. He’s just being realistic and trying to suppress expectations which I don’t see as a bad thing.

In terms of the transfers you mention, I feel our ‘lack of finance’ is more in regard to salaries than transfer fees. If for example we have a salary cap of £50k per week (who would have thought that 10 years ago) how can we compete with clubs who can pay £80k per week for the signatures of players?
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Re: We missed

Post by Row Z » Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:34 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:02 am
I’m not sure Dyche talks about lack of finance at every opportunity. When we come up against the big clubs he has a point though. In terms of the cost and quality of a Manchester City team for example we should expect to lose 5-0. He’s just being realistic and trying to suppress expectations which I don’t see as a bad thing.

In terms of the transfers you mention, I feel our ‘lack of finance’ is more in regard to salaries than transfer fees. If for example we have a salary cap of £50k per week (who would have thought that 10 years ago) how can we compete with clubs who can pay £80k per week for the signatures of players?
Agreed, however it does demonstrate we can be competitive in the right markets and he does get backed. I read that we are paying all of Drinkwater's wages which is a massive commitment from the board, but how can Dyche justify his decision to sign him based on how this has worked out? Admittedly some elements of this have been outside of his control, but he has been fit for a number of weeks and still doesn't feature even when we are being heavily beaten. Next Dyche will state he hasn't had a great deal of match time and is lacking match fitness!

The financial gulf is only getting bigger, with each new signing for the Top 6 sides pushing the max wages upwards and upwards. I think recently Dyche has stated the league may outrun us with us not keeping pace with even the lower financial packages being offered.

That said, we must be competitive with all championship clubs and there are many players in that league that would strengthen us but he is very particular on who we sign. To me, having someone with pace as an option to run at the opposition would provide us with another dimension. This wouldn't be outside our financial structure and could be a young raw talent, with potential to develop.

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Re: We missed

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:37 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:53 pm
Ha but that's all he can do
Can’t make my mind up whether you are either anti-Burnley, stupidly argumentative or just a complete clown.

To suggest that is all Hendrick can do suggests all three and is also downright insulting.
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Re: We missed

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:39 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:02 am
I’m not sure Dyche talks about lack of finance at every opportunity. When we come up against the big clubs he has a point though. In terms of the cost and quality of a Manchester City team for example we should expect to lose 5-0. He’s just being realistic and trying to suppress expectations which I don’t see as a bad thing.

In terms of the transfers you mention, I feel our ‘lack of finance’ is more in regard to salaries than transfer fees. If for example we have a salary cap of £50k per week (who would have thought that 10 years ago) how can we compete with clubs who can pay £80k per week for the signatures of players?
You are spot on. It’s all about wages. I also agree with you. I’m not sure Dyche takes every opportunity to make comment on finance.

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Re: We missed

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:26 pm

We missed Jeff Hendrick in that first half,should be three down and out of this

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