Is the Dyche/ Burnley

[Steve1956]

Partnership nearing its end?

[Nonayforever]

The grumbling is starting again !

[Steve1956]

The grumbling is starting again !

It's been bad in the past but it cant go on like it is....can it?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Partnership nearing its end?

In the summer YES

[jrgbfc]

If he see his contact out he'll have done 10 years. If we're still in the Prem he may think he's done all he can with us and seek a new challenge. He's financially set for life with his current contract.

[IanMcL]

Madness descends!

[cricketfieldclarets]

No. It's not. But the style and transfer strategy needs to evolve.

[MACCA]

In my opinion no.

Mr Dyche is hitting the boards expectations so theres no pressure there

Mr Garlick is hitting the majority if the fans expectations too, so no real pressure there either.

Dwindling attendances wont alter eithers opions/approach

Usually action/reaction will be made when it's too late, which ironically is in line with how both operate.


All is well, enjoy it whilst you can, this is the best period we have had in 50 years and likely to have ever again.

[taio]

I hope not. Ups and downs for us at this level. He deserves my support.

[Nonayforever]

I honestly think that if Dyche signed any two players of his choice from any team, the style of play would be no different.

[Steve1956]

He must be getting fed up,there are some big clubs in the Championship who would back him with hard cash can see him thinking hes done all he can at the Turf and trying something else, i hope not but you never know.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Garlick and the board have every right to ride this journey as far as they can. When we do go down they can say time to sell the club to investors and let BFC go.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

I honestly think that if Dyche signed any two players of his choice from any team, the style of play would be no different.

He’s invested in his coaching path, he won’t have watched Barcelona, Ajax, to become this.

[SussexDon1inIreland]

All the “experts” on here knowing more than SD and his entire team grumbling does my head in

When we try and play slick passing football the opposition pick us off - it doesn’t work

We can’t afford the players than can play like that

So we play the way we do - personally I have no problem with it

We don’t have many supporters and some of our so called fans on here just seem to be too negative to be fans

We may even go down but I will still and will always be a Claret

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[Quickenthetempo]

I can't see a bigger club coming in for him and I can't see the chairman wanting rid so he will stay for a good while yet.

His relationship with fans might go sour though if he keeps serving eye bleeding football up though.

[Nonayforever]

In my opinion no.

All is well, enjoy it whilst you can, this is the best period we have had in 50 years and likely to have ever again.

Can't say I agree there macca.

My best games to watch over the last 50 years were games against Sheff Utd & Tottenham under Coyle, many games under Mullen, quite a few when Inchy was here.
Only a handful under Dyche.
The results have been good not the performance.

[IanMcL]

If you have a doubt, think....Stoke.

If you still doubt, think....WBA.

If you get past there, think Everton despite all their money.

[MACCA]

Many laugh at Sam Allardyce and his approach, tactics, success etc, but I'm sure if Mr Dyche could retire with his achievements in the game he would bite your arm off.

Some managers are set in their ways and deem success at different levels. Style, approach, entertainment, trophies isn't at the forefront of many a managers mind.

Theres the 20% that want trophies, success and to play in a certain style that's easy on the eye with a consistency in the way they do things.

Theres 20% trying to do the above stick to their principles, play the right way, and still entertain but lack of opportunities or investment mean they hit a ceiling.

Then the rest are just trying to stay in a job, dont particularly bother what style they play, don't want to come out of a comfort zone and will bob along happily being wealthy men.

Happens in all walks of life and most jobs out there.

[Holmeclaret]

He must be getting fed up,there are some big clubs in the Championship who would back him with hard cash can see him thinking hes done all he can at the Turf and trying something else, i hope not but you never know.

Probably right, unfortunately. The hints have been obvious, ‘I’m not a one trick pony, my greatest achievement was saving us from relegation’. Nobody in the public eye,in football or otherwise says anything without there being a purpose behind the statement. I think Sean is getting bored and you can’t blame him for that after nearly 10 years.

[MACCA]

Can't say I agree there macca.

My best games to watch over the last 50 years were games against Sheff Utd & Tottenham under Coyle, many games under Mullen, quite a few when Inchy was here.
Only a handful under Dyche.
The results have been good not the performance.

Oh yes I agree, best games will come and go and I loved the days right through from 4th division to premier league, they were some great away days, brilliant cup runs etc.

But we are here now, the only way is down under this regime, will anyone come in at either level to install an excitement that gets the buzz back?
Probably not.

Cash is king and whilst both levels are happy with the cash piling in and are hitting each others priorities, theres no need for change.

Your entertainment and good times are way down on any list of priority any level of the club will care about

[Claretforever]

1 shot on target in 3 hours of football isn’t great. We aren’t playing well either.

Our team give the ball away too cheaply, and can’t control is half the time. We are 4 years (5 in 6) in the Premier League, and things need to improve.

I’m not bothered whether we play long ball or tika taka, although a mixture would be great. I just expect our players to be of a certain quality now, a Defour type player in there maybe, and something in our armoury to hurt the opposition, whatever the level they’re at. At Wolves they have Traore. His crossing is questionable, but his lightning pace scares the living daylights out of every team, so they don’t push up as much. We have nothing like that.

[claptrappers_union]

Be careful what you wish for.

We’re doing ok, given the type of club we are. Don’t let the ‘anti football’ media tag affect your perception of the recent run of dull performances.

There are good spells and bad spells supporting a club like ours - and we’re going through a bumpy patch at the moment. But we’re in a good place.

As for Dyche. I can’t see anyone else wanting him now. I can’t see him getting poached by another Premier League club while he his contracted to Burnley Football Club.

He’s the new Tony Pulls. He needs to rebuild his reputation a bit though. So we need to start playing some better stuff for his sake... or he might start to become complacent.

[jrgbfc]

He must be getting fed up,there are some big clubs in the Championship who would back him with hard cash can see him thinking hes done all he can at the Turf and trying something else, i hope not but you never know.

He won't get 3.5 million quid a year salary in the Championship though.

[Stayingup]

Yeasterdays match. Just been reading the readers match comments in a national. Everton fans laying into Burnley. Partly that will be because we defended suparbly and didn't lie down as they wished we would. New manager and all that their expectations were high.

However, defence apart and you have to exonerate the centre forwards because they never got any service, the performance was very poor. We all know we dont have the players to create a lot but some of the play was very poor. Having said that it was a mistake that led to the Everton winner. Prior to that Everton looked to run out of ideas.

Performances like this (not one shot on goal) will not enhance the reputation of Sean Dyche outside of Burnley. I hope for his and the fans sake we can improve the team soon. We need to do.

[Sheedyclaret]

Yea i think managers become stale and it will come to a point when we both move on for good or bad who knows but the football is dreadful but whilst the board keep raking in 100m plus thats all that matters i guess..

[jrgbfc]

If you have a doubt, think....Stoke.

If you still doubt, think....WBA.

If you get past there, think Everton despite all their money.

I guarantee you the West Brom fans who go home and away are enjoying this season far more than all their mid table Prem seasons under Tony Pulis.

[Steve1956]

He won't get 3.5 million quid a year salary in the Championship though.

Correct,but money isnt everything,hes made for life with what he has done at the Turf,I'm sure hes ambitious my money is on him to leave soon

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

I guarantee you the West Brom fans who go home and away are enjoying this season far more than all their mid table Prem seasons under Tony Pulis.

How can you guarantee that? Ridiculous comment unless you’ve personally managed to canvass the views of every single West Brom fan.

[ElectroClaret]

It's been bad in the past but it cant go on like it is....can it?

Bad? Steve, lad, what happened at Everton was a a defeat. They do happen.
Before that, we had two wins. We were TENTH on Christmas Day morn, after two superb defensive
displays against Newcastle and Bournemouth.

Ya gotta take the rough with the smooth. As claptrappers union says, be careful what you wish for.

Relax. We`ll be fine.

[Down_Rover]

Seems to me that threads like this only exist so the nay sayers can say ‘ I told you so’, totally overlooking that they predicted Dyche’s departure last week, last month, last time we lost, every Sunday and more often than Ant and Dec are on telly.

Well one day you will be right boys and will deserve a pat on the back.

[Wokingclaret]

Norwich play attacking Football, look where they are

Brighton changed their manager for an entertaining one and 4 points behind us

Be careful what you wish for

[BennyD]

I guarantee you the West Brom fans who go home and away are enjoying this season far more than all their mid table Prem seasons under Tony Pulis.

Quite possibly so. However, they are a big budget outfit that are striving to get where we are. I'll bet they didnt enjoy the season they got relegated from the Prem, and they probably wont enjoy next season as much either when they aren't winning every week. The Prem is the richest League in the world and you do what you can to stay in it and SD has found a way with what he has to work with. Even with the players we have, we would look like Barcelona in league 1 but I dont think any of us would prefer to be there.

[claretspice]

All the “experts” on here knowing more than SD and his entire team grumbling does my head in

When we try and play slick passing football the opposition pick us off - it doesn’t work

We can’t afford the players than can play like that

So we play the way we do - personally I have no problem with it

We don’t have many supporters and some of our so called fans on here just seem to be too negative to be fans

We may even go down but I will still and will always be a Claret

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Lots to get stick into here, but the key point is that two years ago we played a more refined composed style of football - do we COULD afford it- and we DIDNT get picked off and it DID work.

Theres an ocean of possibilities between the sort of style we've adopted recently (and to an increasing extent this calendar year) and playing the sort of gung ho free-rolling football that is sometimes held up as the only possible alternative.

The other point here is that fans who pay their money are entitled to an opinion. There are two main reasons why being in the premier league is a great thing- firstly to enjoy the football it offers, and secondly to attract new fans, build our fan base and create a legacy. If we aren't playing in a manner that achieves either, then we're simply existing at this level and its no surprise that that prospect doesn't excite people.

Fans matter.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

‘Fans matter’. Fans being the important word in there!

[Dyched]

Yes, the guys a clown

[claretspice]

‘Fans matter’. Fans being the important word in there!

Yep. Fans. Which is a broad church, not confined to those who are unquestioning. And we need them all and to attract more.

[KRBFC]

He must be getting fed up,there are some big clubs in the Championship who would back him with hard cash can see him thinking hes done all he can at the Turf and trying something else, i hope not but you never know.

To be fair he’s had cash to spend...

Hendrick £10m
Brady £13m
Gibson £15m
Vydra £10m
Rodriguez £10m
Wood £17m

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Yep. Fans. Which is a broad church, not confined to those who are unquestioning. And we need them all and to attract more.

There is questioning and then there is utter rubbish posted every time we get beat.

[KRBFC]

If you have a doubt, think....Stoke.

If you still doubt, think....WBA.

If you get past there, think Everton despite all their money.

Football is all about cycles, weird you chose 3 examples of teams that have been more successful than us. We could be in the same division as WBA next year or a division lower, Everton have never been relegated from the Premier League so an odd example.

[Safron]

It's the money wasted sat on the bench that pi##es me off ,plus those who don't actually make the bench, he's wasted millions,and I personally would not give him another penny,take dd sat on bench on100k a week,he wanted him and won't play him,what's the f##kin point,he got a get out of jail free card ,and still chose not to send him back and save the club money

[KRBFC]

Quite possibly so. However, they are a big budget outfit that are striving to get where we are. I'll bet they didnt enjoy the season they got relegated from the Prem, and they probably wont enjoy next season as much either when they aren't winning every week. The Prem is the richest League in the world and you do what you can to stay in it and SD has found a way with what he has to work with. Even with the players we have, we would look like Barcelona in league 1 but I dont think any of us would prefer to be there.

Iv seen us play against multiple League One sides since Dyche has been here and we have never looked like Barcelona.

[MACCA]

To be fair he’s had cash to spend...

Hendrick £10m
Brady £13m
Gibson £15m
Vydra £10m
Rodriguez £10m
Wood £17m

You leaving out

Brady 12m
Defour 8m
Cork 8m
Westwood 5m
Gray 9m
Vossen 9m ( wasnt it )
Wells 5m
Hennings 5m
Walters 3m
Pope 3m
JBG 3m
Peiters 3m
Lennon 3m
Couch free

Add the horrific loan spells of
Nkoudiu
Chalabah
Bamford
Flanagan
Drinkwater

Wages and fees utterly wasted on those

And the wages we wasted must be eye watering too

We had 5 keepers on our books at 1 stage, we bought a new 3rd choice as our current 4th choice was incapable to even sit on the bench!

Then theres the strikers that we like to sign and not play or are deemed not good enough

Lots are low fees in premier league terms, but add the fees and wages up and yoube a premier league player or 2 in there, without the hundreds of thousands a week In wages sat doing nowt

[Granny WeatherWax]

His style is horrendous, without doubt I don’t enjoy watching it as much as i used too.

Without doubt though if he left we’d be relegated. His the man for many years to come. We have to 100% get better in the transfer market though.

[jrgbfc]

Quite possibly so. However, they are a big budget outfit that are striving to get where we are. I'll bet they didnt enjoy the season they got relegated from the Prem, and they probably wont enjoy next season as much either when they aren't winning every week. The Prem is the richest League in the world and you do what you can to stay in it and SD has found a way with what he has to work with. Even with the players we have, we would look like Barcelona in league 1 but I dont think any of us would prefer to be there.

Barnsley and Burton outfootballed us last season. Peterborough will probably be the same next week. Even in the home game with Lincoln we weren't capable of out footballing a team from the Conference, they beat us at our own game.

[Jakubs Tash]

To all the (predictable) posters who aren't happy with Dyche, if he went today, who would you replace him with? Come on, name names...and be realistic.

[claretspice]

There is questioning and then there is utter rubbish posted every time we get beat.

There is and a lot of it is tosh. But theres some valid concerns too and so it's a matter of sifting the wheat from the chaff. Just refusing to accept any questioning of the way in which we're playing and its limitations is as inane as some of the dafter criticisms.

[Safron]

To all the (predictable) posters who aren't happy with Dyche, if he went today, who would you replace him with? Come on, name names...and be realistic.

Steve g

[Ilkley claret]

B***rds sacked Big Sam when they were 7th in the prem,

Be careful what you wish for

[MACCA]

B***rds sacked Big Sam when they were 7th in the prem,

Be careful what you wish for

Nail on head.

They wanted to go to another level, they certainly did.
Although Mr Dyche is quite away off Allerdyces achievements yet.

[jrgbfc]

To all the (predictable) posters who aren't happy with Dyche, if he went today, who would you replace him with? Come on, name names...and be realistic.

Sam Allardyce. If we're going to play ugly football we may as well try and get the master of it. At least his teams generally had a bit of pace and power.