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Wait till the Northern Powerhouse kicks in.mikeS wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:43 pmCame off the game and no buses other than the X43 seen in the image. How can we get a better Bus service for fans after night matches ?
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/FYTeDcC
Same with the trains, had to leave in 75th minute to make the last train, and that is only due to it being a Saturday, midweek night games I cannot attend.mikeS wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:43 pmCame off the game and no buses other than the X43 seen in the image. How can we get a better Bus service for fans after night matches ?
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/FYTeDcC
The last train to Manchester is normally about 23:40. I’ve caught it loads.claretburns wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:02 pmSame with the trains, had to leave in 75th minute to make the last train, and that is only due to it being a Saturday, midweek night games I cannot attend.
Sorry, my fault, should have been more specific, I head towards Leeds to get home, not the Manchester route but same issue with lack of public transport.Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:06 pmThe last train to Manchester is normally about 23:40. I’ve caught it loads.
I don't understand that, unless you had to be at another station to make a connection. Last trains to Man, Preston and Leeds all have departures beyond 10.30pm both midweek and Saturdays. Preston and Manchester both after 11pm.claretburns wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:02 pmSame with the trains, had to leave in 75th minute to make the last train, and that is only due to it being a Saturday, midweek night games I cannot attend.
You think that's bad... from next week Accrington will have the sum total of 0 services per hour/ day/ week/ month/ year to Manchester. The X41 has been cancelled in full.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:15 pmI couldnt believe the last bus to Manchester left Burnley at 10pm
I was looking to catch the bus to Manchester Road after the nightmatch only to be told the last one had gone
This is a very poor service especially for our fans travelling to Rossendale and the service needs a later bus
Whilst that is true and it's never good to hear of a service ending, there is the good option of taking the 464 to Rawtenstall and then picking up the X43 which is fast to Manchester and runs every 15 minutes, which is far more frequent and faster than the X41. (And you can do it all on one ticket). So compared to many parts of the county where there are scarcely any bus services it hardly leaves Accrington cut off.Transpennine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:35 pmYou think that's bad... from next week Accrington will have the sum total of 0 services per hour/ day/ week/ month/ year to Manchester. The X41 has been cancelled in full.
I'm not aware of anyone from accy using 464 then x43. Why would they? And I dont agree that it is "a good option" especially for commuters as the x43 is usually full by the time it arrives in Rocky. Its loads of messing about and takes longer.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:40 pmWhilst that is true and it's never good to hear of a service ending, there is the good option of taking the 464 to Rawtenstall and then picking up the X43 which is fast to Manchester and runs every 15 minutes, which is far more frequent and faster than the X41. (And you can do it all on one ticket). So compared to many parts of the county where there are scarcely any bus services it hardly leaves Accrington cut off.
I think there's also the National Express several times a day.
[As I understand it, one of the reasons for the demise of the X41 is that a lot of travellers had already elected to use the 464 / X43 option, so passenger numbers on the X41 had declined significantly]
2 small points - and just to stress that I don't think it's good that the service is stopped, but as I pointed out, many places in the County are now far worse off than Accrington will be. (Transpennine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:07 pmI'm not aware of anyone from accy using 464 then x43. Why would they? And I dont agree that it is "a good option" especially for commuters as the x43 is usually full by the time it arrives in Rocky. Its loads of messing about and takes longer.
As I understand it, its It's being scrapped because it loses money, and there is less Council subsidy available to keep it running...and passenger numbers have fallen since is was re-routed through Rammy adding 20 mins to the journey.
In the cold weather especially being a OAP you are less concerned about quicker travelling times & the preferred warmer option is to catch 1 bus to the destination rather than a cold changeover. Time isn't a issue lack of comfort is.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:52 pm2 small points - and just to stress that I don't think it's good that the service is stopped, but as I pointed out, many places in the County are now far worse off than Accrington will be. (
Of course it's been losing money £300, 000 this year I believe, and that's not sustainable.
According to the article I read they have previously laid on more 464s because of the demand to get to the X43
And with the 20 minutes "diversion" via Rammy, it should generally be quicker to change at Rawt. and go on the speedy non-stop X43.
Well that's certainly true, but it's commuters who are most affected, (using the bus daily, as opposed to occasionally), and pensioners could always travel on the far more comfortable National Express service which runs a couple of times every morning.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:36 amIn the cold weather especially being a OAP you are less concerned about quicker travelling times & the preferred warmer option is to catch 1 bus to the destination rather than a cold changeover. Time isn't a issue lack of comfort is.
Ironically that could well be the case if the bus services become restricted & limited, even if transport ends up costing more, the OAPs will simply turn to taxi's & skimp in other ways.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:16 pmWell that's certainly true, but it's commuters who are most affected, (using the bus daily, as opposed to occasionally), and pensioners could always travel on the far more comfortable National Express service which runs a couple of times every morning.
Additionally the 464 / X43 runs every 15 minutes, so your waiting time for one bus or the other is most likely going to be less than waiting for an hourly service that then takes almost 90 minutes. (On average the X43 is 50 minutes from Rawtenstall)
[There's absolutely no way they could justify losing £300,000 / year on a service that relies on OAPs, - of which I am one incidentally].
As you seem very knowledgeable on all things buses, I thought you may know how many buses and the journey time to get to Manchester from Helmshore using National Express. At off peak,the journey time was often around 35mins (before the Ramsbottom detour) using the X41.For a long time now many people, who I know, would have been prepared to pay,even though they had a bus pass and also were prepared to catch the bus in Haslingden (previously the X40 route) but they were never asked.This is just going to put even more cars on the road, perhaps we need to contact Sir David Attenborough, Greta Thunberg or maybe even Swampy might lend a hand.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:16 pmWell that's certainly true, but it's commuters who are most affected, (using the bus daily, as opposed to occasionally), and pensioners could always travel on the far more comfortable National Express service which runs a couple of times every morning.
Additionally the 464 / X43 runs every 15 minutes, so your waiting time for one bus or the other is most likely going to be less than waiting for an hourly service that then takes almost 90 minutes. (On average the X43 is 50 minutes from Rawtenstall)
[There's absolutely no way they could justify losing £300,000 / year on a service that relies on OAPs, - of which I am one incidentally].
Don't know much about Helmshore tbh , since we were discussing Accrington commuters. I wasn't aware that you could get to Manchester direct by National Express. I would assume - without research that the best way to get to Manchester from Helmshore is to get the bus to Bury interchange. From there it's fast into the city. However I am aware that there have been a lot of cuts to local routes to the Rossendale villages, so I'm not sure whether that's still an option.Helmshore Claret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:38 pmAs you seem very knowledgeable on all things buses, I thought you may know how many buses and the journey time to get to Manchester from Helmshore using National Express. At off peak,the journey time was often around 35mins (before the Ramsbottom detour) using the X41.For a long time now many people, who I know, would have been prepared to pay,even though they had a bus pass and also were prepared to catch the bus in Haslingden (previously the X40 route) but they were never asked.This is just going to put even more cars on the road, perhaps we need to contact Sir David Attenborough, Greta Thunberg or maybe even Swampy might lend a hand.
But that doesn't address in any shape or form, OAPs suffering unnecessary cold & potential illness, it's a crucial point I feel you are skirting by excusing with other transport options, the X41 service shutout could cause major problems for the elderly commuters set in their ways & not familiar with the other bus schedules. I realise you are not directly responsible for this again in any shape or form, just some sort of recognition the potential problems this may present for the vulnerable wouldn't go amiss.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:06 pmDon't know much about Helmshore tbh , since we were discussing Accrington commuters. I wasn't aware that you could get to Manchester direct by National Express. I would assume - without research that the best way to get to Manchester from Helmshore is to get the bus to Bury interchange. From there it's fast into the city. However I am aware that there have been a lot of cuts to local routes to the Rossendale villages, so I'm not sure whether that's still an option.
Your post does - sort of - support the point I was trying to make: that getting to Manchester from Accrington isn't a major problem, (despite the axing of the X41). It's other more rural places - such as Helmshore - that are losing essential services right, left and centre.
Your point about cars is valid.
Would an OAP not have the option to use the train free of charge instead?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:36 amIn the cold weather especially being a OAP you are less concerned about quicker travelling times & the preferred warmer option is to catch 1 bus to the destination rather than a cold changeover. Time isn't a issue lack of comfort is.
Quite possibly, but that's little assistance if the train is going in the opposite direction from where you intend to travel to.ZizkovClaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:33 amWould an OAP not have the option to use the train free of charge instead?
As it's New Year's Day I'll be polite, but if you simply read my posts: in my very first sentence (responding to you) I said that your point was a good one. Anywhere, there you go - I've repeated it, and to add: I don't like us cuts anymore than anyone else, but we all have to have some perspective and awareness of the financial reality.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:18 am. I realise you are not directly responsible for this again in any shape or form, just some sort of recognition the potential problems this may present for the vulnerable wouldn't go amiss.
Thanks & same to you, maybe I was little unkind, the priority for the elderly commuters isn't really about saving money or utilising other alternative methods of travel, it simply involves getting on a bus & getting from A to B & remaining in the warmth for the length of the journey & not hopping on buses to buses or checking timetables, that's the simple point I was trying to raise that's all, & I also acknowledged you wasn't responsible for the X41 becoming defunct.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:54 amAs it's New Year's Day I'll be polite, but if you simply read my posts: in my very first sentence (responding to you) I said that your point was a good one. Anywhere, there you go - I've repeated it, and to add: I don't like us cuts anymore than anyone else, but we all have to have some perspective and awareness of the financial reality.
Happy New Year one an all!
Bus stops are more “accessible” than train stops though. There may not be a train stop close to homeZizkovClaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:33 amWould an OAP not have the option to use the train free of charge instead?
You want to try living in out in the sticks here in Ireland .