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VAR again

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:15 pm

Football is going bonkers.

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Re: VAR again

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:16 pm

Correct descision by VAR to be fair.

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Re: VAR again

Post by taio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:16 pm

Not handball. Not sure why it took them so long. It was obvious on the first replay.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:16 pm

Did at first glance look unusual bounce and his arm was up but 100% a goal for me

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Re: VAR again

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:18 pm

came off his shoulder, 100% correct decision - no surprise Anthony Taylor got it wrong in the first place though, utterly inept referee

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Re: VAR again

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 pm

1-1..................someones hand is offside so ya know what might happen

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Re: VAR again

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 pm

Looks like another one here....

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Re: VAR again

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:20 pm

Ouch!!!

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Re: VAR again

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:21 pm

goal disallowed, ffs footy is ******

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Re: VAR again

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:21 pm

you can't score with your hand so how is it offside ???? wtf is going on

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Re: VAR again

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:21 pm

Can’t be arsed even watching it anymore
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Re: VAR again

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:22 pm

May as well stop celebrating goals.

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Re: VAR again

Post by MACCA » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:22 pm

Wow, what a farce!

Umpires call type rule is needed IMO

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Re: VAR again

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:22 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:21 pm
goal disallowed, ffs footy is ******
Agreed, it’s putting me off watching.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:23 pm

Total Varce!

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Re: VAR again

Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:24 pm

VAR what is it good for....

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

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Re: VAR again

Post by beddie » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:24 pm

It's killing the game.

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Re: VAR again

Post by DomBFC1882 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:24 pm

Absolutely disgraceful to rule that goal out. Its quite simple imo to solve this bar scrapping VAR and that is give stockley park 10 seconds to make the decision as thats plenty of time if its "clear and obvious" and if they dont make a decision you stick with the onfield call

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Re: VAR again

Post by taio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:25 pm

Get rid of this shite.

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Re: VAR again

Post by thatdberight » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:25 pm

It's a bag of shite. Always was going to be.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:26 pm

If you can score with your shoulder.

Why are they using armpits to judge offsides.

There are far too many goals being judged offside for cm. when the ball being kicked cannot be judged well enough.

It’s madness and it’s ruining the game.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:27 pm

I just can't understand why there is all the fuss.
FIFA wanted it, Media wanted it, reported that the Managers wanted it, reported that the PGMO wanted it and many, many fans wanted it so just accept it and get on with whatever game it is that they are playing these days.

Football, as we older fans knew it, is dead and it will be helped into the grave by more digital aids in the future. Goal line technology = superb, everything else is totally unnecessary and has ruined the enjoyment of a game played by humans, which used to be officiated by humans (just 3) and is now being spoiled by those who run the game and the use of digital technology.
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Re: VAR again

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:28 pm

Whether it gets decisions right or not it's ruining the match for the spectator. Ends up being a bigger talking point than any skill on show.

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Re: VAR again

Post by DomBFC1882 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:31 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:27 pm
I just can't understand why there is all the fuss.
FIFA wanted it, Media wanted it, reported that the Managers wanted it, reported that the PGMO wanted it and many, many fans wanted it so just accept it and get on with whatever game it is that they are playing these days.

Football, as we older fans knew it, is dead and it will be helped into the grave by more digital aids in the future. Goal line technology = superb, everything else is totally unnecessary and has ruined the enjoyment of a game played by humans, which used to be officiated by humans (just 3) and is now being spoiled by those who run the game and the use of digital technology.
Yeah wanted it on the back of a great world cup where it was used perfectly and the referee made the decision. If everyone who was in favour for VAR thought this is what it would be like then I'm sure the answers would have been different
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Re: VAR again

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:31 pm

I said it yesterday, it's getting beyond a joke now, it's killing football as a spectacle. Even Souness has just said its a joke!

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Re: VAR again

Post by Murger » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Another reason to think twice about renewing next season. This whole VAR carry on is just ruining the game completely.

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Re: VAR again

Post by beddie » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:33 pm

Great thought process from Souness. If any part of the players body is onside then the goal should stand.
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Re: VAR again

Post by thatdberight » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:36 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:33 pm
Great thought process from Souness. If any part of the players body is onside then the goal should stand.
We'd just have the same problem with whether any part of him was onside. That's not the solution.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Bosscat » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:36 pm

Get Referees out of Stockley Park and have an independent assessor.

Stop this ridiculous armpit rule... Defenders are naturally leaning away from goal and atrackers towards goal make it the feet that count and it has to be at least a boot on/offside....

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Re: VAR again

Post by Murger » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:38 pm

If the feet are onside, then the goal stands. You know, like it used to be. This whole 'his armpit is offside' is just dogshit.
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Re: VAR again

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:45 pm

I'm sick to the back teeth of VAR. We are watching humans play football, not some kid playing Fifa on the PS4. Talk about sapping the joy out of the game. I hope it's binned before next season starts.
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Re: VAR again

Post by taio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:54 pm

If it takes so long to make such a decision that must be aided by lines separated by the thickness of a gnat's foreskin then it's not a clear and obvious error. If an opposite decison cannot be correctly made with the naked eye then, again, it's not clear and obvious.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Grumps » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:55 pm

The biggest problem in recent weeks is Taylor getting decisions wrong, which VAR have had to overrule, if he'd got them right we wouldn't be talking about a lot of VAR, it's only been putting right what our awful refs are getting wrong, which is fine. I agree offside needs tweeking.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Grumps » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:56 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:54 pm
If it takes so long to make such a decision that must be aided by lines separated by the thickness of a gnat's foreskin then it's not a clear and obvious error. If an opposite decison cannot be correctly made with the naked eye then, again, it's not clear and obvious.
Clear and obvious doesn't apply to offsides

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Re: VAR again

Post by 4:20 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:57 pm

I never knew how much I'd miss a ref and 2 linesmen. All those wrong decisions, vital decisions that those 3 used to make and all those what if's, they're all worth putting up for in the end, that's part of the magic of the game. 2 things now I desperately want back in football...standing up and dodgy ref decisions.
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Re: VAR again

Post by taio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:57 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:55 pm
The biggest problem in recent weeks is Taylor getting decisions wrong, which VAR have had to overrule, if he'd got them right we wouldn't be talking about a lot of VAR, it's only been putting right what our awful refs are getting wrong, which is fine. I agree offside needs tweeking.
The controversy in this game is the offside and in no way can Taylor be blamed for that.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:04 pm

DomBFC1882 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:31 pm
Yeah wanted it on the back of a great world cup where it was used perfectly and the referee made the decision. If everyone who was in favour for VAR thought this is what it would be like then I'm sure the answers would have been different
You obviously didn't watch the Womens' World Cup, which was another year down the line, therefore, meaning that it shoud lhave been better than the World Cup. It was a joke in many respects but lots of people just blamed the ladies and said that it would be fine in the Premier League.
We are now seeing the results and it will only get worse!

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Re: VAR again

Post by taio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:07 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:56 pm
Clear and obvious doesn't apply to offsides
I'm saying it should apply. Being a cm offside that can only be determined by a delay and lines is turning things into a farce. Something needs to change anyhow.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:07 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:26 pm
If you can score with your shoulder.
Why are they using armpits to judge offsides.
Exactly. Among other idiotic VARisms, this is one of the betters. Take the lack of understanding of margin or error, and that the armpit is actually a 3D pyramidal structure with no clear definition of where it starts, then it is more than an absolute farce.

If we did a snap survey, I'm sure over 90% of fans would say get rid now. But they authorities will make up some nonsense about how they are happy with its progress and implementation, and we are heading for a world of pointlessness.

It's either still a subjective decision, or an "objective" decision using guidelines and technology which aren't fit for purpose.

Make it absolutely clear and obvious overrules or nothing. And let the onfield ref decide

RIP Football

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Re: VAR again

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:16 pm

taio wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:54 pm
If it takes so long to make such a decision that must be aided by lines separated by the thickness of a gnat's foreskin then it's not a clear and obvious error. If an opposite decison cannot be correctly made with the naked eye then, again, it's not clear and obvious.
Offsides do not come under the banner of clear and obvious error ---you are deemed to be onside or offside by the technology available.
The shoulder ball is seen as a clear and obvious error, however, had it happened in the Championship or any other English League, the decision would have been accepted, rightly or wrongly and the game would have continued. The offside goal farce would not have happened because the AR did not think there was an offside.

All that VAR is doing is undermining the onfield officials who, in the grand scale of things make very few errors in the eyes of the unbiased observer, but who are now being overruled by someone who is not even anywhere near the game.
It is also not doing a thing to stop players falling over at just the slightest touch and, sad to say, things will only get worse.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:32 pm

and again at City, Sheff Utd have a goal ruled out for another wafer thin decision - game is absolutely 100% ******.

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Re: VAR again

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:35 pm

Sheff U are getting it all wrong. The way to play against the best teams is stick everyone behind the ball and wait to get beat.
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Re: VAR again

Post by beddie » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:36 pm

Ashington. Are you in favour of VAR then or not?

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Re: VAR again

Post by dougcollins » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:40 pm

You know what, the linos hardly ever get offside wrong.

I'm happy to go with that.

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Re: VAR again

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:43 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:35 pm
Sheff U are getting it all wrong. The way to play against the best teams is stick everyone behind the ball and wait to get beat.
they are miles better than us imho

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Re: VAR again

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:44 pm

Weird there hasn't been a shot on target in the Man City-Sheff Utd game,talk about anti-football.

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Re: VAR again

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:50 pm

Dyche has said on numerous occasions that he’s all in favour of VAR.

Is this because it slows the game down, which suits our style of play?

:?:

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Re: VAR again

Post by k90bfc » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:53 pm

Just let the Cricket Rugby VAR,decide the football decisions,sorted!

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Re: VAR again

Post by Spijed » Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:55 pm

k90bfc wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:53 pm
Just let the Cricket Rugby VAR,decide the football decisions,sorted!
It takes forever in rugby.

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Re: VAR again

Post by tiger76 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:00 pm

It's becoming a joke now,even the MOTD pundits are fed up discussing VAR decisions,rather than the fare on the pitch.

What happened to giving the attacker the benefit of the doubt,none of the "offsides" this week were clear on the initial replay,it's only when they freezeframe the incidents and slow them down,that you might find a toenail or thumbnail offside,and even that's debatable.

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