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Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:03 am

After the Man Utd match I arrived at this car park at 9.50 ish.
Only to find mine and a few hundred other cars had been trapped in, by the barrier being shut.

I followed the other cars driving over grass verges and footpaths getting out a different way.
This route was kindly being highlighted by the council vehicle that had probably closed the barrier.

I thought this car park was open until 10pm?
I was out and on the road by 9.59pm.

Anyone else on here with the same problem?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Steddyman » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:46 am

Yes, I had the same problem. I got there about 10 and there was still about 40 cars still stuck in the car park.

Some were churning up the mud stuck trying to drive over the pavement and around the bollards.

What utter madness. Why would the council close the barrier knowing that everyone that parked there had gone to the match.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:42 am

Steddyman wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:46 am
Yes, I had the same problem. I got there about 10 and there was still about 40 cars still stuck in the car park.

Some were churning up the mud stuck trying to drive over the pavement and around the bollards.

What utter madness. Why would the council close the barrier knowing that everyone that parked there had gone to the match.
I assume you followed them over the grass/mud, like I did?

Was the vehicle still there with orange flashing lights on his cab roof?

Thinking about it, I hope he wasn't taking our registration numbers and we get a bill for the damage!

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Steddyman » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:04 pm

Yes, there was no other choice. Mine car is rear wheel drive car, so I had to wait for almost everyone else to go before I could get a run at it. If I had stopped, I would have got stuck.

No, the vehicle with the lights had gone by then. Everyone was left to themselves to work out how to get out.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Grumps » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:03 am

Is it a car park you pay for?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:33 am

Grumps wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:03 am
Is it a car park you pay for?
Yes. £1.50 for the day.
Why do you ask?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Grumps » Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:28 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:33 am
Yes. £1.50 for the day.
Why do you ask?
Because if its a properly run car park they shouldn't close it up, if it was people nipping on private land without permission it would be different.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Steddyman » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:11 am

Yep. £1.50 per visit, which is around 2 hours for a match, so not cheap.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:24 am

Steddyman wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:11 am
Yep. £1.50 per visit, which is around 2 hours for a match, so not cheap.
Sounds cheap to me

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:30 am

Steddyman wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:11 am
Yep. £1.50 per visit, which is around 2 hours for a match, so not cheap.
But it’s not £1.50 for 2 hours - it’s £1.50 for the full day (8am-10pm)

On a Saturday you could go at 8am, pay £1.50 for a ticket, do the ParkRun, leave, come back at 2pm, park, go to the game, go home and then come back at 8pm to walk the dog around all on the same ticket

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Steddyman » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:35 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:30 am
But it’s not £1.50 for 2 hours - it’s £1.50 for the full day (8am-10pm)

On a Saturday you could go at 8am, pay £1.50 for a ticket, do the ParkRun, leave, come back at 2pm, park, go to the game, go home and then come back at 8pm to walk the dog around all on the same ticket
True. But this was a Saturday night and I never park there more than a few hours. I’m not sure what cost has to do with stupidity anyway.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:39 am

on what planet is 1 pound 50 not cheap for 2 hours parking?

You cant even get a twix for that! :lol:
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by pushpinpussy » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:44 am

They shut the gates early to stop dogging. pay and display' car parks! Dogging never used to be that commercialised!

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by UnderSeige » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:01 pm

I wasn't there last Saturday but looking at an old ticket that I had in my car it says "Departure Time 10:00pm.".
There was a similar incident at a car park in Newham a few years ago. The police were called and the council were eventually made to open the gates - but, according to the Evening Standard, only after one of the motorists attempted to break the lock.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 92674.html

Questions
Were the gates locked before 10p.m.? If so, why?
Did the parking ticket say that the parking fee covered parking up to 10p.m?
Did the officials who locked the gate act on instructions from their employer or was it on their on their own initiative?

Was it the people in the council van that locked the gate? If so, why didn't they re-open it when they saw cars trying to escape by driving over grass verges and footpaths? Did they not consider the damage that they were causing to the grass verges? Also did they not consider the possibility of accidents and damage to vehicles.

What would have happened if the vehicles had not tried to exit the car park by other routes? A large number of people would have been trapped. Some would have been children. Others would have been people who needed to get back to their families.

If they didn't want vehicles to be parked there at all for some reason, why didn't they close the gates before the match?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the officials who decided to close the gate. God bless you.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:45 am

Yep.
I checked yesterday and it is definitely 10 pm.
In the daylight you can clearly see the damage we have caused to the grass verges.
I suspect this Council worker is a Blackburn fan.
He must have been sat there in his vehicle having a right little chuckle to himself.

Sad b*s*ard jobsworth. :x
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by UnderSeige » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:32 am

When a parking ticket is purchased the purchaser enters into a contract with the owner of the car park. As far as I know it is implicit within the contract that the car park owner will not lock the gates of the car park before the end of the period for which the ticket was purchased. It might be the case that compensation is due - especially if damage was done to a vehicle or person when alternative routes had to be taken to release the vehicles from the car park.

If the car park is owned by the council then it might be worth contacting the council to complain and to request a 'refund of the ticket price' plus 'the cost of a car wash'. An initial complaint can be made through the following contact:

https://www.resolver.co.uk/companies/bu ... ct-details

Council member contact details can be found here:

https://burnley.moderngov.co.uk/mgMembe ... aspx?bcr=1

There is also the issue of 'keeping public order around football grounds at match time'. All civil authorities should take responsibility for this. By locking the cars of two or three hundred football fans in a car park, a potential 'flashpoint' was created. The council should be investigating this as a matter of urgency to ensure that it does not happen again.

Perhaps, in future, a quick visit to the car park by the police could be made to ensure that the gates are open.

I am sure that the Labour Council will look into this. If not, there is always the next council elections to register our displeasure.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by ClaretPope » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:40 am

UnderSeige wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:32 am




I am sure that the Labour Council will look into this. If not, there is always the next council elections to register our displeasure.
A minor point and not relevant to the issue, Burnley Council is not Labour controlled.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:48 am

A local beauty spot near us (free parking) locks the gates at 5pm at this time of year because of suspected drug use (and dogging?) to stop people getting in but at the side of the gate are those things called (I think) dragon's teeth so that you can drive out at any time you like. Would this not be a sensible solution to this problem?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:04 pm

I have been onto the Council.
Strangely, whilst it is a Burnley Council controlled car park,
I have to wait until this afternoon for Towneley Hall to open in order to register my displeasure.

Thinking about it there are dragon's teeth there but the locked barrier went across them!

Is it possible for a Council employee to drive down from the Hall and fail to spot the floodlights on at t'Turf?
That they don't know Burnley are playing Man utd with a record crowd on?
Then think "ey up that's an unusual amount of cars, I know what I'll lock the gates 10mins early, trap 100+ cars
and have a right laugh as they try and get out.
I'll let them cause untold damage to their cars and the grass verges?

Is this scenario just possible?

I don't know about dogging, I wish I had given him a right good f**king.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 pm

Steddyman wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:11 am
Yep. £1.50 per visit, which is around 2 hours for a match, so not cheap.
Cheaper than any town centre car park. The council ones are all £1.60 for 2 hours.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by brexit » Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:15 pm

Rumour was pikey's were circling the area and that's why it was locked.
Why does the term dogging always make me think of Saxo?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:56 pm

brexit wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:15 pm
Rumour was pikey's were circling the area and that's why it was locked.
There'd be no logic to that since no one could get onto the site due to it being full of cars.
Furthermore, if cars were able to get off with the barrier closed, then anyone with any degree of determination would be able to get on once the cars had left, barrier or not.
Is the term you used acceptable on this forum?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Zlatan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:13 pm

based upon the username any racist stereotype would be acceptable
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by brexit » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:15 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:56 pm
There'd be no logic to that since no one could get onto the site due to it being full of cars.
Furthermore, if cars were able to get off with the barrier closed, then anyone with any degree of determination would be able to get on once the cars had left, barrier or not.
Is the term you used acceptable on this forum?
1. The premise of this thread shows Councils aren't logical
2. The term is valid in scrabble so acceptable on a public forum.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by brexit » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:16 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:13 pm
based upon the username any racist stereotype would be acceptable
I am changing my username to WeWon

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Zlatan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:20 pm

brexit wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:15 pm
1. The premise of this thread shows Councils aren't logical
2. The term is valid in scrabble so acceptable on a public forum.
https://1word.ws/brexit

based upon your argument then Brexit is not acceptable because it isn't accepted in scrabble - cancel it now...!

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:20 pm

Commom sense would suggest getting back to your car with a good 30 mins to spare before the car park gates are due to be locked. Anyone cutting it any finer only have themselves to blame and should quit their whining.

As for getting n touch with the council then give it a rest as they have real issues to deal with and not your first world problems

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by brexit » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:30 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:20 pm
https://1word.ws/brexit

based upon your argument then Brexit is not acceptable because it isn't accepted in scrabble - cancel it now...!
incorrect
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8604625.stm

it is a refreshing change to have an intellectual discussion on this board for once :-)

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:32 pm

brexit wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:16 pm
I am changing my username to WeWon
But you'd have to stop being a Burnley fan then or it would be a misnomer. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Zlatan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:33 pm

brexit wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:30 pm
incorrect
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8604625.stm

it is a refreshing change to have an intellectual discussion on this board for once :-)
sorry to say but even the Collins Scrabble word finder disagrees with you https://www.collinsdictionary.com/scrab ... rd-finder/

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:44 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:13 pm
based upon the username any racist stereotype would be acceptable
Racism in this country is rightly condemned - generally. But I have come to the conclusion that it is selective and some 'races' seem to be immune from protection. Gypsies seem to be fair game because, for whatever reason, they seem to be very unpopular so no-one really defends them, but to me the glaring example of someone it's okay to racially stereotype are the Russians. Take the Meerkats, loveable and funny and an absolute genious idea from a marketing point of view but...when you see them on the ads for Coronation Street the stereo-typing is just there for all to see, complete with the idea of peasantry and occasional stupidity, but no-one complains because they have (stereotypical) Russian accents. If those accents were changed to stereotypical Pakistani accents the outcry would be so loud the ads wouldn't last 2 days.

Sorry about going off topic for a post but it's just a thought.
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Zlatan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:49 pm

houseboy wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:44 pm
Racism in this country is rightly condemned - generally. But I have come to the conclusion that it is selective and some 'races' seem to be immune from protection. Gypsies seem to be fair game because, for whatever reason, they seem to be very unpopular so no-one really defends them, but to me the glaring example of someone it's okay to racially stereotype are the Russians. Take the Meerkats, loveable and funny and an absolute genious idea from a marketing point of view but...when you see them on the ads for Coronation Street the stereo-typing is just there for all to see, complete with the idea of peasantry and occasional stupidity, but no-one complains because they have (stereotypical) Russian accents. If those accents were changed to stereotypical Pakistani accents the outcry would be so loud the ads wouldn't last 2 days.

Sorry about going off topic for a post but it's just a thought.
good assessment, and I think I took the thread off topic - no need to apologise
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:02 pm

I always apologise if I take a thread off topic for a post because it is acceptable AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T HI-JACK THE THREAD. That would never be my intention. :)

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Andreshotboots » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:00 pm

You won't need to use it on Saturday. There's so few fans attending I'm planning to park on the players car park!!

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Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:08 pm

Andreshotboots wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:00 pm
You won't need to use it on Saturday. There's so few fans attending I'm planning to park on the players car park!!
I'd be careful doing that since Dyche might mistake you for Vydra, and stick you up front amidst the other "squad" players.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by UnderSeige » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm

The point of all this is that someone is responsible for causing a lot of inconvenience to a large number of motorists. Threads above have mentioned potential to cause accidents, damage to cars/grass verges, and possible flashpoints near a football ground.

As someone above said, it may just have been an employee of the 'car park owners' making a silly decision. If so, it might be that they should be given a disciplinary warning. Also, an instruction should be given to other employees not to close the gate before the prescribed time.

If the employees were acting under instructions from their superiors, the superiors should be given a warning. Could it have been that the owners of the car park were hoping that motorists would queue up at the barrier and pay a penalty fee to be let out? Who knows? I am not suggesting that this is the case. There may be a simple explanation. But there is something that doesn't add up.

Why were the gates closed before 10 p.m?
Why did the officials in the van sit there watching the cars struggle to get out? Why didn't they just re-open the gates.
It would be interesting to hear from '2 Bee Holed' about how he got on with contacting Townley Hall. In particular, do Townley Hall/the council not want motorists to park there on match day?

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Bosscat » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:39 pm

houseboy wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:44 pm
Racism in this country is rightly condemned - generally. But I have come to the conclusion that it is selective and some 'races' seem to be immune from protection. Gypsies seem to be fair game because, for whatever reason, they seem to be very unpopular so no-one really defends them, but to me the glaring example of someone it's okay to racially stereotype are the Russians. Take the Meerkats, loveable and funny and an absolute genious idea from a marketing point of view but...when you see them on the ads for Coronation Street the stereo-typing is just there for all to see, complete with the idea of peasantry and occasional stupidity, but no-one complains because they have (stereotypical) Russian accents. If those accents were changed to stereotypical Pakistani accents the outcry would be so loud the ads wouldn't last 2 days.

Sorry about going off topic for a post but it's just a thought.
The Meerkats actually have Ukrainian accents ...
Because their ancestors left the Kalahari desert after the great battle with the Mongooses, and after the trek of Fearlessness settled in Ukraine near Meerkovo.

I know this because my Granchildren bought me Alexander Orlovs bigraphy "A Simples Life" a couple of years ago :D
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:50 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:39 pm
The Meerkats actually have Ukrainian accents ...
Because their ancestors left the Kalahari desert after the great battle with the Mongooses, and after the trek of Fearlessness settled in Ukraine near Meerkovo.

I know this because my Granchildren bought me Alexander Orlovs bigraphy "A Simples Life" a couple of years ago :D
Actually I nearly said Ukranian. Are there any Meerkats in Russia anyway (I don't think so but maybe I'm wrong).

Now then Boss - about this word Mongooses. Is that the correct plural? A guy at a zoo was looking to aquire a breeding pair and dashed off a letter to another zoo requesting that they send a pair of Mongooses. He looked at it and changed it to Mongeese. That didn't look right either so he tried Mongai. In the end he wrote, Dear Sir, could you please send me a Mongoose. PS: could you send me another as well. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


I'll get my coat.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by dsr » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:54 pm

houseboy wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:50 pm
Are there any Meerkats in Russia anyway?
Not any more.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:57 pm

dsr wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:54 pm
Not any more.
Why? Has Putin had em all shot? (To paraphrase Basil Fawlty). :D

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Post by dsr » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:04 pm

houseboy wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:57 pm
Why? Has Putin had em all shot? (To paraphrase Basil Fawlty). :D
They're all over here advertising insurance, of course. ;)
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:06 pm

UnderSeige wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm
The point of all this is that someone is responsible for causing a lot of inconvenience to a large number of motorists. Threads above have mentioned potential to cause accidents, damage to cars/grass verges, and possible flashpoints near a football ground.

As someone above said, it may just have been an employee of the 'car park owners' making a silly decision. If so, it might be that they should be given a disciplinary warning. Also, an instruction should be given to other employees not to close the gate before the prescribed time.

If the employees were acting under instructions from their superiors, the superiors should be given a warning. Could it have been that the owners of the car park were hoping that motorists would queue up at the barrier and pay a penalty fee to be let out? Who knows? I am not suggesting that this is the case. There may be a simple explanation. But there is something that doesn't add up.

Why were the gates closed before 10 p.m?
Why did the officials in the van sit there watching the cars struggle to get out? Why didn't they just re-open the gates.
It would be interesting to hear from '2 Bee Holed' about how he got on with contacting Townley Hall. In particular, do Townley Hall/the council not want motorists to park there on match day?
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by UnderSeige » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:39 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Commom sense would suggest getting back to your car with a good 30 mins to spare before the car park gates are due to be locked. Anyone cutting it any finer only have themselves to blame and should quit their whining.

As for getting n touch with the council then give it a rest as they have real issues to deal with and not your first world problems

This would require fans getting back to their car by 9:30pm at the latest. Leaving the ground and walking back to the car park takes about 10-15 minutes. This would require fans to leave at about 9:15p.m.The match ends at around 9:40pm (including extra time). Are you suggesting that fans leave the match before the 'half way point' in the second half. Where is the common sense in that?
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Zlatan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:43 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:20 pm
Commom sense would suggest getting back to your car with a good 30 mins to spare before the car park gates are due to be locked. Anyone cutting it any finer only have themselves to blame and should quit their whining.

As for getting n touch with the council then give it a rest as they have real issues to deal with and not your first world problems
Actual common sense would mean the car park being available between the advertised times
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:45 pm

When you read these sort of stories you always wonder if someone’s on the wind up

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Local cricketer » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:08 pm

Sick off these football games stopping me from going dogging.

Find somewhere else to park. Inconsiderate t#@!s
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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:58 pm

UnderSeige wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:39 pm
Devils_Advocate wrote:



This would require fans getting back to their car by 9:30pm at the latest. Leaving the ground and walking back to the car park takes about 10-15 minutes. This would require fans to leave at about 9:15p.m.The match ends at around 9:40pm (including extra time). Are you suggesting that fans leave the match before the 'half way point' in the second half. Where is the common sense in that?
Id suggest parking somewhere else but you live and learn Miss Marple

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by dsr » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:26 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:20 pm
Commom sense would suggest getting back to your car with a good 30 mins to spare before the car park gates are due to be locked. Anyone cutting it any finer only have themselves to blame and should quit their whining.

As for getting n touch with the council then give it a rest as they have real issues to deal with and not your first world problems
That's not common sense. How many people do you know (other than yourself) who arrive more than half an hour early for every appointment?

I think your misusing your "Devil's advocate" persona this time. It isn't just about posting what everyone else disagrees with; it's about making valid arguments that other people can use to test their beliefs.

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:34 am

dsr wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:26 am
That's not common sense. How many people do you know (other than yourself) who arrive more than half an hour early for every appointment?

I think your misusing your "Devil's advocate" persona this time. It isn't just about posting what everyone else disagrees with; it's about making valid arguments that other people can use to test their beliefs.
I dont know anyone apart from you who confuses closing time for an appointment time but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just put it down to one of your silly analogy's.

Now Ive got to rush as I have a hairdressers appointment at 11am and it closes at 11am. Luckily for me I dont need them to cut any of my hair but I still dont want to miss the appointment

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Re: Car Park: Towneley High School

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:04 am

brexit wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:16 pm
I am changing my username to WeWon
This is a Burnley football forum. You may have to wait a few weeks, to avoid confusion.

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