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What is wrong?

Post by burnley007 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:37 pm

Is there a problem at the club?
I just didn't see a team that wanted to win, wanted to work hard.
There is definitely a problem behind the scenes.
Something is affecting the players
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Hopey1786 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:38 pm

Even with 9 mins added time no enthusiasm to go.forward

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:39 pm

Think what's is affecting the players is the opposition is better...could be wrong...dont think so though

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:41 pm

Dyches mantra of "minimum requirement, maximum effort," appears to have been forgotten.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by tarkys_ears » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:41 pm

Negative energy from the gaffer.

Players look fearful of going forward/putting the ball out, generally doing wrong in the eyes of the gaffer.

Therefore, the gaffer.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by WestMidsClaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:42 pm

Hopey1786 wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:38 pm
Even with 9 mins added time no enthusiasm to go.forward
They didn't have a clue what to do. That's what happens when you spend so much time trying to stifle the opposition and not working on what you can do to affect the game,

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by warksclaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:46 pm

No leader, no urgency, starting with players who cannot contribute. Jay deseved to start today-Barnes did nothing but moan(like playing with 10 men). And NO TACTICS. Dean Smith made a key decision by changing to a strong back three simply because we scored two headers earlier in the season. It worked. Our midfield is being over run and are just too weak to compete. Dreading Leicester in two weeks-Vardy will mince us

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by burnley007 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:48 pm

How do we change things?
There's very little in the squad.
It's looking pretty desperate

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:50 pm

Still not fully recovered from playing in Europe last season
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:51 pm

The lack of a plan from.top to bottom.

The tactics, system and approach is the same for every game

The transfer windows are like a 4 year old record stuck on repeat.

I'm positive Mike Garlick HAS to go for us to move forward, SD looks like he is a 1 trick pony who cannot adapt with the times
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by superdimitri » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:51 pm

Very unusual for is not to be motivated and it's happened a fair few times now this season. If we played like we did in the second half we may have got something but I feel like there's definitely something up.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:52 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:41 pm
Negative energy from the gaffer.

Players look fearful of going forward/putting the ball out, generally doing wrong in the eyes of the gaffer.

Therefore, the gaffer.
Agree with this. Telling then to go for 0-0 at everton said it all. Either negativity or a realisation at our limitations.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:53 pm

How the hell is Barnes still starting games for us? At least Jay can get hold of the ball and bring other players into play. But we all know if certain players are fit then they start, no questions asked.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by JohnMac » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:53 pm

Turning up before half time would be a bonus at the moment .

That was as bad a first half as we've had including Sheff Utd.

:cry:

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by SussexDon1inIreland » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:54 pm

We can play well Wolves away for instance

Not sure why they played that poorly in first half

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Murger » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:55 pm

We have a manager who only knows how to play 1 way, and has no idea on how to change it if it's not working.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:57 pm

No doubt the happy clappers will be along shortly to tell us everything is fine, Dyche is the best thing since sliced bread, we aren't true supporters, remember the Orient game. Have I missed anything?

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by tarkys_ears » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:58 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:57 pm
No doubt the happy clappers will be along shortly to tell us everything is fine, Dyche is the best thing since sliced bread, we aren't true supporters, remember the Orient game. Have I missed anything?
Punching above our weight.

You could fit the population of Burnley into Wembley stadium.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by SGr » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:00 pm

What’s wrong is we’ve gone 2 1/2 years without signing a first team player. Who the hell else in this league would Jack Cork start every week for? Nobody. Probably not even Norwich.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Blackrod » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:00 pm

Sometimes a change is good.
It’s stale and predictable.
We have no pace or quality.
We don’t surprise the opposition
The tactics and the team are same every flipping match.
It’s negative football.
We have very few shots on target and struggle to score.
If we go a goal down at any stage of the game we will not win.
Apathy is setting in which isn’t good.
It’s not entertaining. Despite having a season ticket I couldn’t be arsed going on today and yes I watched the Divisuon 4 stuff. I predicted the score and shots on target. It’s as dull as dishwater.
We’ve wasted lots on money on players who can’t pass a ball and are not comfortable on it.
The team sheet looks poor.
We don’t change tactics regardless of who we are playing.
You can go on....
Is it the players who aren’t good enough or are they tired of the same message or is it both ? Garlick needs to do something.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Safron » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:01 pm

This is not a blip , and with the upcoming games I think it could turn toxic,if dyche persisting with poor player selection like Brady ,who I wouldn't give him a job as a ball boy
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by jojomk1 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:05 pm

Same long ball tactics every week just plays into the oppositions hands - they can practise all week on their formation/tactics when they know exactly what ours will be
Add to that, poor team selection today - JR and JBG should have started based on recent inept displays

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How the Dyche Stole Christmas

Post by Guitargeorge » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:05 pm

Not advocating a change of manager, but this is just not good enough. Three abject performances, albeit improved second halves against United and Villa, but, overall, no ideas, not commitment from many and a lack of skill in many areas of the field. What we don’t want is panic buying, so what can be done? Answers on a postcard please.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by tiger76 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:07 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:00 pm
Sometimes a change is good.
It’s stale and predictable.
We have no pace or quality.
We don’t surprise the opposition
The tactics and the team are same every flipping match.
It’s negative football.
We have very few shots on target and struggle to score.
If we go a goal down at any stage of the game we will not win.
Apathy is setting in which isn’t good.
It’s not entertaining. Despite having a season ticket I couldn’t be arsed going on today and yes I watched the Divisuon 4 stuff. I predicted the score and shots on target. It’s as dull as dishwater.
We’ve wasted lots on money on players who can’t pass a ball and are not comfortable on it.
The team sheet looks poor.
We don’t change tactics regardless of who we are playing.
You can go on....
Is it the players who aren’t good enough or are they tired of the same message or is it both ? Garlick needs to do something.
Can't disagree with all of the above,what's more alarming is the lack of passion we showed today in a pivotal game,it was far too comfortable for Villa in the 1st half,what's often got us over the line is our resilence,but even that was lacking this afternoon.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:07 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:57 pm
No doubt the happy clappers will be along shortly to tell us everything is fine, Dyche is the best thing since sliced bread, we aren't true supporters, remember the Orient game. Have I missed anything?
Yes, you being an utter bore.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:11 pm

Wrong team fron the off.Lowton should have started as should Jay for a still injured Ash and JBG instead of Brady

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by FactualFrank » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:13 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:11 pm
Wrong team fron the off.Lowton should have started as should Jay for a still injured Ash and JBG instead of Brady
Reports are that JBG simply wasn't fit enough to start, otherwise I'm very sure he'd have started ahead of Brady. And Jay has only been decent coming off the bench.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by chekhov » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:17 pm

Ball rolls out for a goal kick early in the game. I think it’s Mee who’s close at hand to kick it sideways to Pope. He doesn’t. Ignores the ball meaning Popey has to come and fetch it. This wastes a good few seconds and with the game finely balanced at 0-0 And 80 minutes to play you’ve got to wonder what instructions they are being given vis à vis tactics and game management.
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Re: How the Dyche Stole Christmas

Post by thelaughingclaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:20 pm

In danger of getting like Arsenal under Wenger where you have a manager who isn’t good enough anymore and who isn’t doing anything but you keep him employed based on what he did for you years ago. We need a change somewhere and if the board aren’t going to allow Dyche to buy players and change the players then I don’t know what else there is. Something has to give surely.

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Re: How the Dyche Stole Christmas

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:20 pm

Bournemouth performance was equally bad, masked only by a winning goal

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by elwaclaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:21 pm

Seems to me the place becomes ‘sulky’ on the run up to the January window, every season. Whether it is coincidence or fall outs/sulking from staff regards the up coming window leading to a moral shift in the team I’ll leave for others to speculate.

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Re: How the Dyche Stole Christmas

Post by chekhov » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:22 pm

Well worth starting another thread for is this subject :roll
I mean the thread that was merged with this thread. Not THIS thread!
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Re: How the Dyche Stole Christmas

Post by MACCA » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:22 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:20 pm
Bournemouth performance was equally bad, masked only by a winning goal
And Everton....

And Newcastle...

Its becoming more of a one off when we actually turn up and look like a premier league team

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:22 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:53 pm
How the hell is Barnes still starting games for us?
That's a bloody good question. He's having an awful season.

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Re: How the Dyche Stole Christmas

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:23 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:22 pm
And Everton....

And Newcastle...

Its becoming more of a one off when we actually turn up and look like a premier league team

Couldn't agree more.

If it isn't a set piece we aren't scoring. Pathetic at this level.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by burnleymik » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:25 pm

ut oh:
Dyche "The main thing was we got a big response and we dominated the rest of the game from half-time onwards."
That wasn't the main thing Sean, the main thing is how we gave 3 points away and dragged ourselves into a relegation battle we had no need to be in.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Nonayforever » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:25 pm

Poor weather conditions will be one excuse Dyche trots out.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by jrgbfc » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:22 pm
That's a bloody good question. He's having an awful season.
Two goals since August I think, and one of those was a penalty. I know he's never been the most technically gifted player in the world but he isn't offering anything at the moment. Plus I think having him up there forces us to go direct all the time.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Right_winger » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:26 pm

What’s wrong is that we have a 1 dimensional manager who’s trick has been sussed out.

Poor/non recruitment and lack of ability to change formations And/or starting line ups are coming home to roost.

This issue has been smouldering for a few seasons now.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:27 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:57 pm
No doubt the happy clappers will be along shortly to tell us everything is fine, Dyche is the best thing since sliced bread, we aren't true supporters, remember the Orient game. Have I missed anything?
yes...the bit about him getting us promoted twice, once as champions , and the small matter of Europe.
He managed this with a board either unwilling or unable to give him anything like the financial clout to fight a fair campaign, and so it continues. How can you find it so easy to attribute blame at his door when he has worked a minor miracle with what are effectively championship footballers.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:28 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:25 pm
Two goals since August I think, and one of those was a penalty. I know he's never been the most technically gifted player in the world but he isn't offering anything at the moment. Plus I think having him up there forces us to go direct all the time.
Four goals in the first three games and his only goals since were in the two 3-0 wins and one of those, at Watford, a pen. I know he's nursing an injury but if he's not fit then leave him out.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by rufus lumley » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:29 pm

Happy clapper here everything will be fine the worst that can happen we get relegated then with the championship again.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Zenwisdom » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:30 pm

Grealish ran the show simple football .
If Drinkwater can’t get a start with our midfields recent
Performances then that’s me baffled .
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:30 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:28 pm
Four goals in the first three games and his only goals since were in the two 3-0 wins and one of those, at Watford, a pen. I know he's nursing an injury but if he's not fit then leave him out.
Apparently he is on injections every game.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by TVC15 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:32 pm

Don’t understand the selection or our tactics at all today.
Barnes been carrying an injury and not playing well. Jay played well against United. I thought he was tied on for starting today - and he should have done.
But worse than that was starting Brady - which is completely perplexing. We then end up accommodating him by playing Dwight on the wrong wing when him and Taylor play so well together.

Tactics wide - we start with 4-4-2 - nothing unusual or wrong there. We then get totally over run in midfield where Grealish is allowed to run riot...and what do we do ? F-uck all until we are 2-0 down.

And all this is against a team who got beat 3-0 against the bottom of the league who had 10 men for a good chunk of the game. Villa had the worst form in the league and if they had gone in 3 or 4 up at half time it would not have been undeserved.

Where you can’t blame Dyche though is how bad most of the team played. Tarks, Mee, Cork and Westwood were all shocking...Tarks from the first minute of the game. His performance was that bad I would have considered hooking him...it was against a centre forward who has been rubbish all season and he bullied him for 45 minutes.

I’d like to think it was a bad day at the office but the stark facts is that this has been how bad we have playing for a while now - and with far better teams than Villa to play in the next month we need a huge turnaround in how we are playing or else we will be relegated.
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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Conroy92 » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:32 pm

I am still uncertain as to it being time up or not but I do not understand this belief that we should keep Dyche to get us out of the championship. A relegation spells the departure or our last bits of quality, the championship gets harder each year and we have an ageing squad. I am not sure where this theory "we would walk the championship comes from". If anything I see a danger of the likes of cork and westwood having signed new deals, staying with the club on a decent wage in the championship. It's a bad recipe.
If a change gives us a chance of staying up then we must take it.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:32 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:30 pm
Apparently he is on injections every game.
He's got a groin problem and usually the cure for that is rest. I remember a similar season with Peter Noble when he would play, then miss, then play etc. If he's not fit, don't play him.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by warksclaret » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:35 pm

No one could get more out of this team than Dyche. The problem though is we have a poor team by PL standards-I see Watford have just scored as have Southampton. About 6 clubs at the bottom are in the ascendancy

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by boyyanno » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:41 pm

We have stagnated, and football is ever changing.

We are no longer getting an extra 5 percent by being the fittest team or the team that covers most ground, that's become somthing of a minimum for all teams.

We have not continued to improve the first 11 and allowed the squad age to creep slowly upwards.

We are mainly capable of playing one way and we look poor in the technical/passing departments.

As football is changing so should we, maybe Garlick has to loosen the purse strings but Dyche has to find new ways of being effective.

A big worry of mine is that the more Dyche "builds" this team the more impossible it becomes for someone to replace him. The next 6 months is pivotal for Dyche imo, we've still managed to pick up points despite the above but the longer we fail to change the bigger our problems will get.

There's literally only one manager apart from Dyche I could see getting anything from this team and as much as I hate to say it: it's Big Fat Sam, so lets be careful what we wish for and hope Dyche sorts it out.

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Re: What is wrong?

Post by Safron » Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:49 pm

Bfs wouldn't touch us with a bargepole,best man for us would of been Pearson , but that boat has sailed

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