I read from a few people saying he's always played crap for us. Its ******** lets be honest, he was playing very well until he got injured at Leicester. But since he's come back he has been crap so maybe they could see the future.

Am I right in thinking that he is out of contract at the end of the season?

Perhaps needs to regain his mojo at Championship level and therefore a loan out to the end of season might be best for all parties concerned.

To follow on from TVC's point, that really good spell was a long time in the coming. Before that he was too often hitting free kicks into walls, over-hitting corners and crosses and giving the ball away cheaply. It's rare for the club's radio commentary team to express frustration at a Burnley player's performance but I heard one do so before he eventually found his form.

1. This article from the Norwich press, written shortly before he joined us, suggests that his form was patchy there too.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-c ... -1-4863269

2. It's also rare for a Dyche-period Burnley player to be sent off for violent conduct. Maybe it was untypical of him; I'd be interested to know Sean Dyche's response to RB's conduct in this incident from last season:

https://www.balls.ie/football/robbie-br ... ory-403799

Frustrating. As wvery week i want to give him a chance. Obviously has a good left foot on him. Just a shame hes terrified of using that or anything else for that matter.

Its frightening that Dyche favours hard work and effort. Yet put Brady in today in a huge 6 pointer that we would need to fight in.

Backs out of everything. Contributes little. Rarely tracks back. He was dreadful again today.

At least Lennon grafts in both directions and tries to create.

Brady would be better going to The MLS or similar im afraid.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:18 pm

Anything but fair. He was in outstanding form when he got that injury at Leicester.

2 years ago. Get a grip

Local cricketer wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:39 pm

2 years ago. Get a grip

Don't take comments in isolation. It takes them out of context and makes you look silly.

Sarum wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:36 pm

2. It's also rare for a Dyche-period Burnley player to be sent off for violent conduct. Maybe it was untypical of him; I'd be interested to know Sean Dyche's response to RB's conduct in this incident from last season:

https://www.balls.ie/football/robbie-br ... ory-403799

I'm afraid you would have to have a very wild imagination to suggest that was violent conduct. With most referees it would have been a yellow card, even with Dean I doubt he considered it violent.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:43 pm

I'm afraid you would have to have a very wild imagination to suggest that was violent conduct. With most referees it would have been a yellow card, even with Dean I doubt he considered it violent.

Was definitely a red. But in Bradys defence one he needed to take at the time. Was a clever foul one we are too guilty of not doing often enough. See son at spurs.

Hes lost his Mojo

cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:45 pm

Was definitely a red. But in Bradys defence one he needed to take at the time. Was a clever foul one we are too guilty of not doing often enough. See son at spurs.

Understandable he did it and where on the pitch he did it, but I doubt it would have been a red with most refs and I doubt it would have been a red with Dean had he not already sent off a Huddersfield player. But yes, I wish McNeil had done that to Son at Spurs and taken a yellow.

tim_noone wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:45 pm

Hes lost his Mojo

He's lost his bottle backs out of every tackle,goes completely missing in games,we missed Jeff Hendrick today.

he's another player I don't believe we would have gone for had the board given Dyche a slightly bigger budget. Have to say the games leading up to and the Leicester game he was the best player on the pitch, real shame he got injured

To think we paid just shy of £40 milliom for Brady, Gibson and Vydra

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:49 pm

To think we paid just shy of £40 milliom for Brady, Gibson and Vydra

Mind boggling as two have never played for us and the other one is always injured

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:49 pm

To think we paid just shy of £40 milliom for Brady, Gibson and Vydra

Terrifying. Makes the pleading poverty line from Dyche every window even more laughable.

No wonder Garlick is scared stiff of backing him in the market

And to think we only buy good characters and spunk god knows how much on Drinkwater.

KlyBfc wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:02 pm

I’d take 5 Million for him in a breath. His best form and only really decent period came in the 4-5-1we played where he didn’t have as much defensive responsibility and had defour feeding it to his feet and hendrick playing quick one twos with him. He looked full of confidence and crucially was effecting Games when he got injured.

He needs a run of games in formation that suits him, we don’t have the luxury of time, personnel or the patience to see if that would benefit him. Also he’s not as good as JBG or McNeil to warrant the above.

We seem to be getting beat far too easily, a return to 4-5-1 might suit us if we can get another quality midfielder in pronto....

Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:02 am

We seem to be getting beat far too easily, a return to 4-5-1 might suit us if we can get another quality midfielder in pronto....

And if we only have 2 available strikers

Playing Vydra as a number 10 in a 4-5-1 cant hurt either!

I’d revert to 4-5-1 too (though we’d need Westwood for it to work imo as he’s only midfielder with any energy). My point was more patience of waiting for Brady to hit form.

Id like to see (certainly at home) JBG McNeil and jay as the 3 behind wood with cork or Jeff partnering Westwood

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:47 pm

He's lost his bottle backs out of every tackle,goes completely missing in games,we missed Jeff Hendrick today.

I didn't want to start a thread with the last five words of your post but I couldn't agree more and we are never, ever as good a side when he's missing.

Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:02 am

We seem to be getting beat far too easily, a return to 4-5-1 might suit us if we can get another quality midfielder in pronto....

We have a player who fits the bill perfectly for the way Dyche wants to play it and we climbed to fourth in the league with him in there. Jeff Hendrick should be in the side and that's where I'd play him.

Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:02 am

We seem to be getting beat far too easily, a return to 4-5-1 might suit us if we can get another quality midfielder in pronto....

Mentioned in the ratings thread that I would like to see McNeil behind Wood with Jay Rod operating from the left but with the freedom to switch with McNeil. It would 1. Get McNeil into the game more 2. Add more fluidity to our play 3. Get us passing it on the deck.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 am

We have a player who fits the bill perfectly for the way Dyche wants to play it and we climbed to fourth in the league with him in there. Jeff Hendrick should be in the side and that's where I'd play him.

I’d tend to agree though I do think for that whole formation to work with the current squad we need (1) Westwood - to give the three some energy (as Man City game showed) and someone happy to get on the ball (defour esc) and (2) jeff does need to get into the box a heck of a lot more if he does play that role.

I understand he was never really seen as a 10 by Dyche in that formation but he needs to work on combatting his instincts of being reserved after he’s played a pass. He is one of our few players that can and does like to move the ball quickly (1/2s flicks etc) and when he does that he then doesn’t always carry on his run with a burst into the box, he takes up more reserved positions and if we then don’t have others getting into the box it leaves us with too few bodies in there.

The whole set up worked well that year in the games where cork or Jeff did get beyond the striker or into the box. As we lost wood, Defour and Brady the side began to struggle and naturally the side lost confidence and those runs became fewer and fewer and we soon had the ingrained notion by some that the formation with Jeff in there never worked.

My line up and formation would be.

Pope

Bardsley Tarks Mee Taylor

Westwood Cork

Hendrick JBG

McNeil

Wood

I think the sort of diamond shape would work well for us with Dwight having free reign and causing havoc just in front of Wood. Westwood and Cork sitting in front of the back 4 protecting them and letting our more forward thinking players do their stuff when we have possession rather than the more direct approach we currently employ.

Out of possession JBG and Hendrick could drop back to assist Westwood and Cork allowing Dwight to stay more advanced for an "out ball option" rather than a long punt.

I would also like us to mix our corners back up again too. We used to have a alternative one where we rolled a short one across the box for somebody to get a shot away, haven't seen this one for a long time but it could be a useful alternative to the floated back post one we currently employ.

Brady is just another scape goat. Don't think he was any worse than Dwight today in the first half. Needs games to get up and running, there is clearly quality in there somewhere and Dyche said he had been getting sharper and sharper in training.

Some people in this team will start regardless of form (Cork, Westwood, Mee, Tarks) whilst others need to be world beaters each game.

Every game he starts, he comes off after 60 mins, and on the bench he comes on after 85. Hardly going to give him confidence

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 am

We have a player who fits the bill perfectly for the way Dyche wants to play it and we climbed to fourth in the league with him in there. Jeff Hendrick should be in the side and that's where I'd play him.

I'm not sure that Hendrick in that role works without Defour, who gave us a deep-lying play maker to move the ball through the units. Neither Cork or Westwood emulates that, so either we're going to be more direct, in which case we need a player better with his back to goal than Hendrick (which is the problem that ultimately led to Hendrick becoming a target in that position), or we need a more technically gifted player who can add the "Defour element" albeit from a more advanced position.

If it's the former, then the man is Jay, who can basically operate in the role Hendrick used to play but is of course far more comfortable with his back to goal. If it's the latter, then the obvious choice is McNeil, who has all the tools to flourish in that role and do a similar sort of job for us as that which Grealish did for Villa yesterday - willing to drop deep to collect the ball and then moving through the units to keep the ball moving.

It was a surprise to see both Cork and Westwood asked to go again yesterday after such a tough Christmas programme, and I can't understand why Hendrick (or Drinkwater) wasn't brought into the centre of the pitch to freshen it up. That, rather than removing Brady, would have been my second half time change.

Back to Brady - he's not being helped by the fact he's being asked to play a lot on the right, which doesn't greatly suit him, in order to accommodate McNeil - and the first half yesterday was no time to judge a wider player because he was neither getting service from the front two or the midfield two. McNeil only flickered in the first half given the paucity of service, and he's a much better player. Brady has never really had a run of games since his long injury lay-off, but before that lay-off he was in superb form and had been since that summer.

Whats happening with Lennon ?...last I heard he'd had a day off sick...but hasnt been in the squad since...

"I'm afraid you would have to have a very wild imagination to suggest that was violent conduct. With most referees it would have been a yellow card, even with Dean I doubt he considered it violent."

I cited the wrong sending off category CT, it was probably deemed as serious foul play. I've also found S Dyche's response: ""It's a loose challenge, no doubt - not a nasty one, Robbie's not like that," declared Dyche. "It's just loose, and the referee has no choice."

blake's wand wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:06 am

Brady is just another scape goat. Don't think he was any worse than Dwight today in the first half. Needs games to get up and running, there is clearly quality in there somewhere and Dyche said he had been getting sharper and sharper in training.

Some people in this team will start regardless of form (Cork, Westwood, Mee, Tarks) whilst others need to be world beaters each game.

Every game he starts, he comes off after 60 mins, and on the bench he comes on after 85. Hardly going to give him confidence

I think you may be in the minority on this one, you cant say he's a scape goat when his last decent game was 2 years ago.

Most of the others are out of form but have had MOM performances this season

had high hopes for this signing, but another one signed for big money that just hasn't worked out.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:36 am

I think you may be in the minority on this one, you cant say he's a scape goat when his last decent game was 2 years ago.

Most of the others are out of form but have had MOM performances this season

Quite possibly, definitely not saying he is good at the moment. I just think there is a decent player in there somewhere and has shown he can be quality.

One thing that was noticeable yesterday, is that Dyche was fuming a few times when he didn't seem to press their RB at the right time when the rest of the team was.

Time to offload him
A player afraid to tackle is not really what we need

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 am

We have a player who fits the bill perfectly for the way Dyche wants to play it and we climbed to fourth in the league with him in there. Jeff Hendrick should be in the side and that's where I'd play him.

As you know I’m a fan of Hendrick, but he isn’t and has never been a no.10, he is a right midfielder, is he injured at the moment we need him in.

Brady not up to it today? Oh dear. On his bike perhaps.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:27 am

Mentioned in the ratings thread that I would like to see McNeil behind Wood with Jay Rod operating from the left but with the freedom to switch with McNeil. It would 1. Get McNeil into the game more 2. Add more fluidity to our play 3. Get us passing it on the deck.

McNeil way too one footed to play as a ten, Vydra on the other hand scored 20+ in the championship in that position but Dyche knows best

Brady has turned out a very poor signing, he has stole a wage for the last 2 years

We are likely stuck with him until his contract runs out, no League One side is gonna pay his £45k-65k p/w wages.

He had been here for 3 years this month. He signed a 3.5 year contract so he can start talking to other clubs this month and walk away on a free on the summer. Anybody buying him in January would be crazy

TVC15 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:35 pm

He had been here for 3 years this month. He signed a 3.5 year contract so he can start talking to other clubs this month and walk away on a free on the summer. Anybody buying him in January would be crazy

Oh he’s out of contract in the summer? I don’t know if that’s good or bad news.

Probably good that we won’t ever see him in a burnley shirt again....and it will free up £2m a year on wages.

Bad if we don’t replace him...especially as we have Hendrick out of contract too and so far he’s not signed what we have offered him.

Other players out of contract in the summer are Hart, Lennon and Bardsley and then we have a few entering their last year...Vydra, Gibson, etc - which means we either try and sell them (since we ain’t playing them) or they walk away for nothing in a year like Brady will.

Brady could be on 65k a week

I didn't realise Bradys contract was up this summer as well. Big summer ahead.