I was over the moon when we got state of the art facilities and really thought it would bring on our players leaps and bounds.
That it would help massively with player recruitment?

I'm struggling to see any benefits at the moment.
Maybe the coaching staff need upgrading massively too?

Was it a case of just bringing us up to level par rather than massive advantage?

yes, they're world beaters at gawthorpe.

Of course it’s helped, anyone who saw the training facilities 10 years ago wouldn’t need to ask this question.

It provides year round access, it’s a selling point for the club for recruitment at all levels, and it allows us to develop a more holistic offer to players and coaches.

We will see over the next ten years the benefits of this provision more and more.

You’re expecting youth players to fly through to the first team, we’re not there yet with our recruitment to do that. But there are some real prospects in that system and with careful nurture and being able to stave off the bigger dogs that come calling we will see them access the first team.

Yes of course it has

In all fairness to a very decent modern facility,a few training pitches inc high quality grass pitches meeting rooms and a salad bar will make little difference in recruiting high end players . It’s what we pay that matters

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:08 pm

No wonder your neighbour wants shut of you Steve,

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:16 pm

No wonder your neighbour wants shut of you Steve,

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:16 pm

In all fairness to a very decent modern facility,a few training pitches inc high quality grass pitches meeting rooms and a salad bar will make little difference in recruiting high end players . It’s what we pay that matters

There's a salad bar? Morrison's have one of those as well,never though them to be very healthy with all the food uncovered and every Tom,Dick & Harry pawing the food,salad bars are disgusting.

Vydra , Brady and Gibson have each cost more than the Gawthorpe redevelopment. I know which has been the best value for money.

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:15 pm

Of course it’s helped, anyone who saw the training facilities 10 years ago wouldn’t need to ask this question.

It provides year round access, it’s a selling point for the club for recruitment at all levels, and it allows us to develop a more holistic offer to players and coaches.

We will see over the next ten years the benefits of this provision more and more.

You’re expecting youth players to fly through to the first team, we’re not there yet with our recruitment to do that. But there are some real prospects in that system and with careful nurture and being able to stave off the bigger dogs that come calling we will see them access the first team.

I know the potential it has to improve things, but it's been there nearly 3 years now.

It hasn't improved the technical ability of the first team, or the injury niggles.

Can you see any benefits that have occurred yet?

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:21 pm

There's a salad bar? Morrison's have one of those as well,never though them to be very healthy with all the food uncovered and every Tom,Dick & Harry pawing the food,salad bars are disgusting.

It’s mainly for when Pickford pops by to coach Pope

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:23 pm

I know the potential it has to improve things, but it's been there nearly 3 years now.

It hasn't improved the technical ability of the first team, or the injury niggles.

Can you see any benefits that have occurred yet?

A building will not help players who are not good enough be better,it's just comfier for them than it used to be.

I know we are all a bit fed up at the minute..but when it descends to this, it's time to give it a rest.

Yes to get better players we have to attract and development
I thought appointing Steve Stone a good step but I understand he is under investigation still?
A shame he was a winner as a player and that is one skill we need to embed into our rising stars

Steve1956 wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:25 pm

A building will not help players who are not good enough be better,it's just comfier for them than it used to be.

State of the art pitches and all the latest coaching aides was supposed to be there to help improve the players. Not just a fancy building.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:30 pm

State of the art pitches and all the latest coaching aides was supposed to be there to help improve the players. Not just a fancy building.

Ok mate no worries I've got to go just seen my neighbour pass the window,I think I'll go and give him a bit of abuse.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:26 pm

I know we are all a bit fed up at the minute..but when it descends to this, it's time to give it a rest.

I agree that the nit picking in the face of adversity is not good or, in my opinion, genuine.

It's the knee jerk reaction to us currently being pretty poor.

The tide will turn, as the Beatles wrote, "with a little help from our friends"

Smile gang, it may never happen.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:23 pm

I know the potential it has to improve things, but it's been there nearly 3 years now.

It hasn't improved the technical ability of the first team, or the injury niggles.

Can you see any benefits that have occurred yet?

I can see benefits. We have seen the recruitment quality in the youth teams improve. Although we have gone slightly scatter gun in the last year for numbers to pad out teams.

There are three maybe four top quality players and ten plus maybes coming through, players I am not convinced we would’ve kept if we hadn’t had the training facilities we have now.

First team players can’t make major changes to their technical abilities, they’ve already had these embedded for a number of years and all the coaching in the world might not change this. That’s down to our recruiting team to identify. They also have to balance this against the pragmatism of players who will fit into the first team mold and style.

I’d say for the workload our injury records aren’t bad and comparative to other premier league teams.

My neighbours 15 year old son was released by Bury when they folded in the summer. He was very much sort after and had the chance to go to Blackburn or Stoke. When they saw the facilities at Barnfield, tied in with the support and care regarding welfare and education etc they were blown away and didn't hesitate choosing Burnley.
This project is not just about today and tomorrow, but will prove to create for generations ahead, and will to be a lasting legacy.

Its added to the Padiham skyline so yes it has

ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:44 pm

My neighbours 15 year old son was released by Bury when they folded in the summer. He was very much sort after and had the chance to go to Blackburn or Stoke. When they saw the facilities at Barnfield, tied in with the support and care regarding welfare and education etc they were blown away and didn't hesitate choosing Burnley.
This project is not just about today and tomorrow, but will prove to create for generations ahead, and will to be a lasting legacy.

It was said at the time by a few on here (and there have been numerous posts to support this over the years) that the return from the Academy is a 10 year project - the planned move to Cat 1 status at the end of the season is part of that and would not be possible without that Gawthorpe redevelopment

It was the correct decision to upgrade it so credit to the board in this one. It will help attract players and certainly younger ones. Yes the team requires urgent investment but the answer does not lie here.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:16 pm

No wonder your neighbour wants shut of you Steve,

He'll be deported when Sturgeon gets her independence. I believe he's already put shutters on the windows.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:23 pm

I know the potential it has to improve things, but it's been there nearly 3 years now.

It hasn't improved the technical ability of the first team, or the injury niggles.

Can you see any benefits that have occurred yet?

No.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:04 pm

I was over the moon when we got state of the art facilities and really thought it would bring on our players leaps and bounds.
That it would help massively with player recruitment?

I'm struggling to see any benefits at the moment.
Maybe the coaching staff need upgrading massively too?

Was it a case of just bringing us up to level par rather than massive advantage?

Struggling to see any benefits? Are you serious? Have you been down there before or since?

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:33 pm

I agree that the nit picking in the face of adversity is not good or, in my opinion, genuine.

It's the knee jerk reaction to us currently being pretty poor.

The tide will turn, as the Beatles wrote, "with a little help from our friends"

Smile gang, it may never happen.

What friends would they be? Everyone hates us.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:30 pm

State of the art pitches and all the latest coaching aides was supposed to be there to help improve the players. Not just a fancy building.

Maybe it has? Maybe we'd have been relegated last season, or not finished 7th the season before if we weren't able to train on grass year round. Maybe some of our better players would have left if they had to drive to the Turf to get changed and have lunch.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:26 pm

I know we are all a bit fed up at the minute..but when it descends to this, it's time to give it a rest.

Spot on

Local cricketer wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:49 pm

Its added to the Padiham skyline so yes it has

So has Sycamore Farm.

it has helped and will play a massive part going forward imho.

ashtonlongsider wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:44 pm

My neighbours 15 year old son was released by Bury when they folded in the summer. He was very much sort after and had the chance to go to Blackburn or Stoke. When they saw the facilities at Barnfield, tied in with the support and care regarding welfare and education etc they were blown away and didn't hesitate choosing Burnley.
This project is not just about today and tomorrow, but will prove to create for generations ahead, and will to be a lasting legacy.

What the new training ground has given us is massive. We've been able, to date, to move up to cat 2 and that in itself has taken the academy to a new level in so many ways. We have young players at our club now who would have been nowhere near us without the progress we've made at this level.

I know of some players who have moved to us because of what's on offer at Gawthorpe. It was needed way beyond anything else we've benefited from because of our more recent years in the Premier League. It's a fantastic place at a fantastic club that is fighting against the odds in a league full of massive clubs.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:24 pm

What the new training ground has given us is massive. We've been able, to date, to move up to cat 2 and that in itself has taken the academy to a new level in so many ways. We have young players at our club now who would have been nowhere near us without the progress we've made at this level.

I know of some players who have moved to us because of what's on offer at Gawthorpe. It was needed way beyond anything else we've benefited from because of our more recent years in the Premier League. It's a fantastic place at a fantastic club that is fighting against the odds in a league full of massive clubs.

Absolutely agree.

CT I sense a bit of fighting against the wind tone in your replies recently for good reason. If I could message you i would, but chin up mate half of what is said on here is just venting, if you sat down and joined a pint with some people on here face to face half of it would never get mentioned and definitely wouldn't hold a debate. Not wanting to com across creepy but the service you and the mods give in hosting this board is great, and im sure i speak for others if the dogged abuse you guys have to put up with personally and also against the club which you hold high must drive you mad at times and think what is the point. Keep going mate.

I also think that when Dyche eventually leaves (which he will at some point) then it's a huge advantage in attracting a higher calibre of manager than we would normally have been able to attract pre-Dyche era

I thought it was brilliantly funny we installed the indoor pitch that causes stress injuries and we knew all about it from the start

Dyched wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:02 pm

I thought it was brilliantly funny we installed the indoor pitch that causes stress injuries and we knew all about it from the start

Link ?

houseboy wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:19 pm

What friends would they be? Everyone hates us.

We don't care !

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:12 pm

Link ?

It’s in one of the videos released either during the build or afterwards.

Should the unthinkable happen and we are relegated the youth system will undoubtedly come in to play more prominently as we will not be able to compete effectively in the Championship transfer market on our meagre budget post parachute payments.

Dyched wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:02 pm

I thought it was brilliantly funny we installed the indoor pitch that causes stress injuries and we knew all about it from the start

Funny you think it is funny and funny you think it is used by the first team. That indoor pitch is a requirement for Cat 2 and Cat 1 academies.

ClaretLoup wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:32 pm

Should the unthinkable happen and we are relegated the youth system will undoubtedly come in to play more prominently as we will not be able to compete effectively in the Championship transfer market on our meagre budget post parachute payments.

I don't think relegation is unthinkable. I believe it is very thinkable indeed. In fact unless Mr Dyche gets things sorted sooner rather than later (and I do think he is the man to do it - at least I hope so) we are looking at the inevitable rather than the merely thinkable. It's not too late yet, obviously, but we have 4/5 very difficult games coming up which could leave us very near (or even at) the bottom. I believe (but what do I know) the best way forward is to try a full strength team in the cup next WITH NEW IDEAS AND TACTICS, just to see if we can mix it up a little. Of course if that happens I'll eat hay with the proverbial donkey but life is full of surprises.

All we need to do,fitness yes,the TACTICS room,just needs looking at,a little more focus,on obvious things in the game,we are playing,even the fans can see,so frustrating,when changes are needed,and never happen!

Really scraping the barrel now with thread line this.

Would it help results if we moved back to the paper bases season tickets?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:39 pm

Funny you think it is funny and funny you think it is used by the first team. That indoor pitch is a requirement for Cat 2 and Cat 1 academies.

Well if that’s true than that’s even stupider than I thought. Allowing young players to train on pitches like that as they’re developing into adults is well daft.

Dyched wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:46 pm

Well if that’s true than that’s even stupider than I thought. Allowing young players to train on pitches like that as they’re developing into adults is well daft.

Stupid if you believe the poster who made the comment. All 3G pitches will be worse than training on grass but the one at Gawthorpe was the highest spec available when it was installed. It is used sensibly and is a fantastic asset for the academy.

Of course it has helped. OK we are poor at the moment but that's nothing to do with the training ground. Imagine us without it.

Of course it's a good thing the best thing the club has had to cherish in years it will reap rewards I'm convinced of that.

Those large double pitches are great for practicing hoof ball

If the primary objective of the trg ground was to help us pass it backwards, before knocking about between the back 4, before aimlessly hoofing it upfield. Then yes, it has been a marvellous success.