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War with Iran?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:21 am

The US have killed an Iranian general in Iraq by air strike ordered by president Trump. Could be another Middle East war on the cards.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:06 am

And Trump was Tweeting years ago how Obama is leading the US to war with Iran just to win an election.

There's always a Tweet for the stuff he does.

It's been a pleasure lads, hopefully in logged in on here when the bombs drop.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:24 am

Global fuel price rise immediately.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:25 am

Oh Trump.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:26 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:06 am
And Trump was Tweeting years ago how Obama is leading the US to war with Iran just to win an election.

There's always a Tweet for the stuff he does.

It's been a pleasure lads, hopefully in logged in on here when the bombs drop.

This is the only way we can avoid relegation .
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by LoveCurryPies » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:29 am

The Trump re-election campaign has begun.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by bfcjg » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:44 pm

He looks like a crabby Jose Mourinio.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Stayingup » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:53 pm

Yes in reprisal for them attacking US targets in Iraq. Got what they deserved. Its a dangerous rogue state, whih is fermenting anti- western hatred in the middle east, supporting terrorist groups and fighting Proxy wars to support its anti west programme. and Trump has got them weighed up The attempt by the previous USA adminstartion was admirable but the Iranians just ignored the accord.

How can anyone be fooled with this corrupt regime. Hated by its own subjugated people.

As for war. Maybe. The world will be a better and safer place with this regime gone.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:55 pm

This war would kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people. No one cares. There is no humanity left on earth. We are all just sheep being herded by billionaires.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:09 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:55 pm
This war would kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people. No one cares. There is no humanity left on earth. We are all just sheep being herded by billionaires.
FFS dry your eyes

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:11 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:09 pm
FFS dry your eyes

Sorry big hard man.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:12 pm

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That applied to Iran and their proxxy wars as much as Trump and this most idiotic of decisions.

Get ready for Iraq mk2

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:12 pm

Surely this is just sanctioned murder?

Perhaps Chump should now look over his shoulder...
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by tiger76 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:16 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:53 pm
Yes in reprisal for them attacking US targets in Iraq. Got what they deserved. Its a dangerous rogue state, whih is fermenting anti- western hatred in the middle east, supporting terrorist groups and fighting Proxy wars to support its anti west programme. and Trump has got them weighed up The attempt by the previous USA adminstartion was admirable but the Iranians just ignored the accord.

How can anyone be fooled with this corrupt regime. Hated by its own subjugated people.

As for war. Maybe. The world will be a better and safer place with this regime gone.
Aah! regime change in the Middle East,remind me how that's worked out for Iraq,Libya,Syria,in recent years,not to mention Afghanistan.

Just maybe if the Western powers,the US in particular kept their nose out of other countries internal affairs,the planet might be a safer place.

And if the US/Britain and others are preaching morals,and the upholding of human rights,why are they still selling weapons to the Saudi's,which everyone knows are being used in the Yemen.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:13 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:06 am
And Trump was Tweeting years ago how Obama is leading the US to war with Iran just to win an election.

There's always a Tweet for the stuff he does.

It's been a pleasure lads, hopefully in logged in on here when the bombs drop.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by aggi » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:02 pm

Well there was more than one:

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The UN don't seem keen on it https://twitter.com/AgnesCallamard

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm

Didnt Obama send Iran $1,700,000,000 in cash in a very large brown envelope ( called a plane) and release $150 billion in frozen assets. I guess the $1.7 billion in cash was the slush fund payable back to certain `Foundations` back in the USA. Now I wonder who they belonged to ?

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:12 pm
Surely this is just sanctioned murder?

Perhaps Chump should now look over his shoulder...
And some people would be far happier if Trump were to get assassinated rather than the terrorists.

Well done, Donald, you have my backing.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by CoolClaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:42 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm
And some people would be far happier if Trump were to get assassinated rather than the terrorists.

Well done, Donald, you have my backing.

The mind really does boggle doesn't it?

Look at the people expressing sympathy for Suleimani & note their atypical political stances; why do modern 'liberals' (anything but liberals) detest the west, or put emotion before rational thought?
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by ClaretAndJew » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:45 pm

We should just blow them all up and get on with it. As long as anyone isn't near my white body I don't care. Blow em all up.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:01 pm

This is a perfect chance to play a game of Corbynite-numpty bingo (by which I mean the politicians who know the below stuff, not our friends on here who may not do).

Iran recently shoot down a US plane, seize oil assets, kill a US contractor and then (fatally for the Iranian general and Hezbollah guy in question) conspire to storm a US embassy. Not sovereign US territory (contrary to popular belief) but still inviolable based on Article 22 of the Vienna Convention.

Before the Embassy Trump had already declared that further provocation would not be tolerated. Taking out two top guys such as this is sure risky, but the alternative was letting a rogue state get away with what it was doing. Putin’s outraged of course, you know, the guy who has got up to far worse in recent times. I don’t support Trump, and I sure as heck don’t support hm not telling his allies first, but I detest hypocrisy.

So yes, the Labour Party could do far worse than apply as leadership criteria a ban on anyone who a) ignored the US embassy attack, then b) slated Trump for retaliating.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Elbarad » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:15 pm

Trump could cure cancer and give away the cure for free and some people would complain..

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:22 pm

You're bonkers, absolutely insane.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:28 pm

If this assassination has "made Americans safer" as Trump and his advisors are claiming, why are the US State Department advising all Americans living in the Region to pack up and leave immediately?

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:38 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:11 pm
And some people would be far happier if Trump were to get assassinated rather than the terrorists.
Hmmm....

I suppose that is something best not said out loud...

Whispering....hmmm....

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by joey13 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:40 pm

Another act of terrorism from Trump

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:19 pm

The drones are fantastic though aren't they undetected able to take out a small convoy near an airport. You have to admire the technology.

Do we have anything as advanced as the Americans.

He should have warned people to get out first and publicly announce that the guy was a target and why to stop all the toys being thrown out of the pram. Even better just leave the region alone.

I can see Iran's side of the coin and Trump's side. I can see how it is provocation and sneaky to drone attack in the way they did but sympathise a little with the reasons behind it.

The trouble now with Brexit charging ahead is we are the US number one ally. We cannot play Switzerland on this one if it escalates.

Worrying times. Should hopefully simmer down quickly , I fear not though.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:19 pm

Trump HAD to be seen to retaliate . Seems to have been fast direct and limited to its targets with no civilian loss of life . In all fairness, Iran ( after goading US to strike with recent events ) need to be the ones to de-escalate. The US could rip Iran to pieces , but the collateral damage and the ensuing huge power vacuum of yet another rudderless major oil state isn’t wanted by anyone .

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:33 pm

We need to make it clear to Trump we dont support his latest insanity
Problem is Boris owes Trump big time and its payback time.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:21 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:01 pm
This is a perfect chance to play a game of Corbynite-numpty bingo (by which I mean the politicians who know the below stuff, not our friends on here who may not do).

Iran recently shoot down a US plane, seize oil assets, kill a US contractor and then (fatally for the Iranian general and Hezbollah guy in question) conspire to storm a US embassy. Not sovereign US territory (contrary to popular belief) but still inviolable based on Article 22 of the Vienna Convention.

Before the Embassy Trump had already declared that further provocation would not be tolerated. Taking out two top guys such as this is sure risky, but the alternative was letting a rogue state get away with what it was doing. Putin’s outraged of course, you know, the guy who has got up to far worse in recent times. I don’t support Trump, and I sure as heck don’t support hm not telling his allies first, but I detest hypocrisy.

So yes, the Labour Party could do far worse than apply as leadership criteria a ban on anyone who a) ignored the US embassy attack, then b) slated Trump for retaliating.
I think you missed the missile attack on the Saudi Arabia oil refinery .

Agree with your post wholeheartedly.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by thelaughingclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:26 pm

If a war starts the UK will get involved. We always have our heads up America’s arse and now we are leaving the EU the US is our only ally. The US will screw us over as well as they know we have nowhere else to go. This could get messy for us indeed.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:30 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:33 pm
We need to make it clear to Trump we dont support his latest insanity
Problem is Boris owes Trump big time and its payback time.
So you suggesting we let Iran have free reign over the region??

I thought Trump had shown restraint in the face of so much provocation.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:44 pm

US to send 3500 more troops and Iran swearing revenge.

Liverpool running away with the premier league for the first time and we will all be nuked before they get it.

At least it will save us from relegation.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:44 pm

thelaughingclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:26 pm
If a war starts the UK will get involved. We always have our heads up America’s arse and now we are leaving the EU the US is our only ally. The US will screw us over as well as they know we have nowhere else to go. This could get messy for us indeed.

There will not be a War.
Iran has zero options to attack the US.

The US could overrun Iran without getting a nose bleed, but it does not want to .

Trump just made a point, if you attach the US , no one is safe. SO DONT DO IT.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:46 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:44 pm
US to send 3500 more troops and Iran swearing revenge.

Liverpool running away with the premier league for the first time and we will all be nuked before they get it.

At least it will save us from relegation.
No one is getting nuked by Iran!!!

Massive overreaction

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:53 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:46 pm
No one is getting nuked by Iran!!!

Massive overreaction
No **** Sherlock :D

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:17 pm

Us troops go to region
Iran attack them
More US troops go
Russia send some backup help on standby
More US troops go
Escalates

War is not impossible.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Lowbankclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:29 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:17 pm
Us troops go to region
Iran attack them
More US troops go
Russia send some backup help on standby
More US troops go
Escalates

War is not impossible.
Not impossible, but just as likely as Man City winning the league this season.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:40 pm

The man is a dick and US foreign policy is the work of absolute dicks.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Zlatan » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:58 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:19 pm
Do we have anything as advanced as the Americans.
We (brits) invented it chap
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by AndrewJB » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:04 pm

It's a bit misleading to just say "the Iranians shot down a US aircraft" - when it was a drone, and also either in or very close to Iranian air space. If the Iranians sent a drone into US airspace or near it I'd be neither surprised nor sorrowful if the Americans shot it down.

It's also not exactly accurate to say people with progressive politics "support Iran". When have I (or anyone else), stated my support for capital punishment? Or a theocratic, undemocratic, and autocratic government? Or nuclear proliferation? Or a regime that uses torture, and revenge as elements within their justice system? This situation is just two right wing governments giving each other what they most want - a crisis by which they can both bolster their domestic support.

In my opinion the best outcome in all of this would be for the people of both countries to elect decent and moderate leaders, and get rid of the bellicose hotheads they currently have. Much harder for the Iranians to do this than the US, but certainly made even more difficult by the way the US has behaved.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by mdd2 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:13 pm

Is this to try and discourage all the Europeans and Americans who are trying to get asylum in Iran with its secular government and freedom of speech
One wonders why so many Iranians are coming to mainland Europe and the UK

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by bfcjg » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:19 pm

The west should just keep out the Arab world and Arab politics. Since we started sticking our noses in just look what a mess it has become as well as the world. The old style dictators might have been bad but they kept it within the region and in the main their own country. They are driven by family tribe and religion and we cannot get into that DNA . Who' suffer ? As always foot soldiers children, innocent people and another refugee crisis. Get a replacement for oil ASAP and the West will then walk away.
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Re: War with Iran?

Post by mdd2 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:30 pm

And we will keep out again once oil is a dirty word

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by bobinho » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:44 pm

So Andrew, was it in, or was it very close. That matters you see. If it was very close, there could be a couple of possible excuses. Pilot error or faulty GPS or guidance, for example. Worse case scenario here is deliberate provocation.
If it was actually in Iranian air space, that’s a whole new ball game. That’s a hostile act. That warrants it’s shooting down, especially when the two countries aren’t known for their tolerance towards each other. Do you know which one it was? Just asking because it’s important. It’ll be even more important if this escalates...

Also, clearly from the content of your more recent posts, I can safely assume you voted Labour in the recent GE. That tells me you have in fact stated your support for undemocratic and autocratic government. That’s what you would’ve got had the vote gone your way and Corbyn got in. A leader who ignored the democratic will of the people on the EU referendum vote, and a leader who would happily tell his MP’s how to vote, just like he did all the way through the brexit debate/readings.

And if you think that anyone on here would believe you would back Trump if he had shot down an Iranian drone in or near American airspace, you are seriously deluded. You’d be all over him like a rash.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:48 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:53 pm
Yes in reprisal for them attacking US targets in Iraq. Got what they deserved. Its a dangerous rogue state, whih is fermenting anti- western hatred in the middle east, supporting terrorist groups and fighting Proxy wars to support its anti west programme. and Trump has got them weighed up The attempt by the previous USA adminstartion was admirable but the Iranians just ignored the accord.

How can anyone be fooled with this corrupt regime. Hated by its own subjugated people.

As for war. Maybe. The world will be a better and safer place with this regime gone.
OMFG!.......and he's serious.
Maybe you should take a history lesson.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by Taffy on the wing » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:50 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:04 pm
It's a bit misleading to just say "the Iranians shot down a US aircraft" - when it was a drone, and also either in or very close to Iranian air space. If the Iranians sent a drone into US airspace or near it I'd be neither surprised nor sorrowful if the Americans shot it down.

It's also not exactly accurate to say people with progressive politics "support Iran". When have I (or anyone else), stated my support for capital punishment? Or a theocratic, undemocratic, and autocratic government? Or nuclear proliferation? Or a regime that uses torture, and revenge as elements within their justice system? This situation is just two right wing governments giving each other what they most want - a crisis by which they can both bolster their domestic support.

In my opinion the best outcome in all of this would be for the people of both countries to elect decent and moderate leaders, and get rid of the bellicose hotheads they currently have. Much harder for the Iranians to do this than the US, but certainly made even more difficult by the way the US has behaved.
Hear Hear...Well said that man.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by aggi » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:45 am

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:01 pm
This is a perfect chance to play a game of Corbynite-numpty bingo (by which I mean the politicians who know the below stuff, not our friends on here who may not do).

Iran recently shoot down a US plane, seize oil assets, kill a US contractor and then (fatally for the Iranian general and Hezbollah guy in question) conspire to storm a US embassy. Not sovereign US territory (contrary to popular belief) but still inviolable based on Article 22 of the Vienna Convention.

Before the Embassy Trump had already declared that further provocation would not be tolerated. Taking out two top guys such as this is sure risky, but the alternative was letting a rogue state get away with what it was doing. Putin’s outraged of course, you know, the guy who has got up to far worse in recent times. I don’t support Trump, and I sure as heck don’t support hm not telling his allies first, but I detest hypocrisy.

So yes, the Labour Party could do far worse than apply as leadership criteria a ban on anyone who a) ignored the US embassy attack, then b) slated Trump for retaliating.

I assume on the same basis you'd also be fine with the Iranian military killing Trump given that they have broken the UN rules on extra judicial killing.

I don't think anyone is that concerned about the end result, more the end justifies the means method. Trump being able to kill whoever he wants certainly isn't a good thing. It was revenge rather than stopping anything that was about to immediately happen and in that case I prefer a trial rather than one man's verdict.

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:54 am

I’m not for or against Trump, I have little opinion on politics especially American politics but it’s hilarious to see people sympathise with this dead terrorist to stick the boot in on Trump.

Why do people just look at everything subjectively with this mass manipulated sheep culture, I don’t give a sh*t if you like Trump or not but to condemn every decision he makes is just stupidity. Like you can’t actually give your opinion on each decision individually?

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Re: War with Iran?

Post by AndrewJB » Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:30 am

bobinho wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:44 pm
So Andrew, was it in, or was it very close. That matters you see. If it was very close, there could be a couple of possible excuses. Pilot error or faulty GPS or guidance, for example. Worse case scenario here is deliberate provocation.
If it was actually in Iranian air space, that’s a whole new ball game. That’s a hostile act. That warrants it’s shooting down, especially when the two countries aren’t known for their tolerance towards each other. Do you know which one it was? Just asking because it’s important. It’ll be even more important if this escalates...

Also, clearly from the content of your more recent posts, I can safely assume you voted Labour in the recent GE. That tells me you have in fact stated your support for undemocratic and autocratic government. That’s what you would’ve got had the vote gone your way and Corbyn got in. A leader who ignored the democratic will of the people on the EU referendum vote, and a leader who would happily tell his MP’s how to vote, just like he did all the way through the brexit debate/readings.

And if you think that anyone on here would believe you would back Trump if he had shot down an Iranian drone in or near American airspace, you are seriously deluded. You’d be all over him like a rash.
As I originally wrote, I don't know where exactly it took place, so this is the wiki article on it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Iran ... ican_drone

Unsurprisingly, both sides claim different locations. It's not "backing Trump" to agree that Americans have the right to defend themselves, so of course if an Iranian drone (an important thing here being no person sitting in it) were acting provocatively in or around US airspace, then I can't see what reason there'd be for bashing Trump over them shooting it down. And if Iranian troops were based in Mexico menacing the US, I'd say it's as appalling as I found the US occupation of Iraq. For me right or wrong doesn't change dependent on who is doing what to whom.

We have to be honest. Iran is accused of supporting terrorist groups in the Middle East. The reality is that Iran supports groups of armed men (or people), who it believes advance their interests in those countries. We do the same, as do the US, the Russians, probably the French, and possibly the Chinese. Then we have the Turks, Israelis, Jordanians, and Saudis (among probably more). None of these countries believe they support terrorists, but all are happy to claim other groups who they see as being against their interests, are terrorists. I'm not making a value judgement on anything here, but stating it as I see it. You probably know that we've aided if not ISIL itself, then Islamist groups in Syria that had a lot in common with ISIL. I don't think we set out to do this, but took a simplistic approach to trying to get rid of Assad. If you were Iranian - and Iran supports Assad - you would have a strong argument in claiming Britain supported terrorists.

The situation in the Middle East is far to complex for my simple mind, so I find it odd that anyone can apply moral certainty to US (or Iranian) actions (as Stayingup has done). Like I said, it's just two rightwing governments trying to get their people to look away from what crap governments they are. Whether it's Iranian backed militia shooting an American civilian contractor, or the US killing an Iranian general, neither serves the cause of peace, or justice. We should deplore both.

Lastly, suggesting I voted for a "Corbyn dictatorship" is mad. If he'd won, then he would have had a democratic mandate. Do you honestly think that if he suddenly put forward an undemocratic platform I'd be on here praising it? On the referendum can you not see the balance of opinions he had to deal with inside the Labour Party, and among Labour voters (most of whom backed remain)? Fifty-two to forty-eight is not a resounding answer to the question. What he offered in terms of negotiating a closer leave relationship with the EU was perfectly in line with what many leave voters voted for. Putting that to a second referendum and absolutely respecting the outcome - while not taking a side himself - isn't the kind of thing an autocrat would do, but someone genuinely trying to end the issue and bring the country together. You voted the other way. Johnson fired the MPs who refused to back him in parliament, prorogued parliament, blamed parliament for the issues of brexit his own party had caused, and demanded an election so he could have his way over parliament. On the evidence, you backed a far more autocratic figure than I did, but I won't accuse you of backing autocracy.

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