Drinkwater going back to Chelsea

[ClaretEngineer]

You've made a big assumption there. Look at George Boyd's interview about Dyches expectations and training. If he's not seen that desire to match the work ethic he requires, he won't play. We know he has the quality, so the more logical assumption is that he didn't work hard enough.

I have indeed based on the fact that he’s been on the bench and actually played against Man City. I think it’s a fair assumption to make.

If he didn’t have the desire to play when put him on the bench? Why not just send him back and stick with what have / include an U23 midfielder?

We knew he had quality 3/4 years ago with Kante alongside him. That was then, this is now.

A move that hasn’t worked for all parties, and should have been cut short.

[jojomk1]

Regardless of my opinion on him going back it leaves us massively short. Imagine, if like Dyche says we aren’t going to sign anyone in January, and Westwood gets injured....

What about Corky ?

Can Kevin Long play at CM (Bekenbauer type)

[randomclaret2]

Maybe we ought to have actually signed a midfielder on a permanent basis in the summer.

[deanothedino]

It shows how out of the loop Boden is, he has tweeted that he will ask SD about it at 1:15.

Or he'd like to get Dyche's side of the story on it?

[ClaretLoup]

We don’t see training but some players don’t seem to get much of a chance and players that are consistently poor (eg Brady) get plenty of chances.

BR- Maybe because Brady, whatever his shortcomings are as a player, is a committed professional who has battled his way back from a serious injury and shown some positive character.

[ClaretEngineer]

What about Corky ?

Can Kevin Long play at CM (Bekenbauer type)

Not sure our midfield would notice tbh.

Be better of signing Beckenbauer himself.

[Goobs]

Should have gone back to Chelsea the day after his night club shenanigans, I know the club is laden with cash but that's no reason to continually waste it,what a complete fuuck up!

Hindsight is like the year I guess

[warksclaret]

Why faff about in interviews saying "we have still to make a decision on Danny-he seems to like it around the place"

We will have known some time ago, particularly with £50k a week at stake, so why have him on the bench last Saturday and the week before

[JohnMac]

In most other industries he would have had his P45 a long time ago.

A wasted squad number.

[Steve1956]

Anyone on here have any idea how much that loan actually cost us,I bet it doesn't make pretty reading for a cameo appearance against the Champions

[jackmiggins]

Farce from the start. The whole episode has been bewildering.

[jackmiggins]

Farce from the start. The whole episode has been bewildering.

[beddie]

So if he's not cut it in training, desire etc why would Dyche even put him on the bench? Surely he wouldn't have figured in the squad on match days. I really don't think you can judge him on the few cameos he had. We've had some awful displays in the middle of the park lately yet through those games Dyche ignores him, it's baffling at times.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Anyone on here have any idea how much that loan actually cost us,I bet it doesn't make pretty reading for a cameo appearance against the Champions

Roughly about £24 million

[claretandy]

Anyone on here have any idea how much that loan actually cost us,I bet it doesn't make pretty reading for a cameo appearance against the Champions

50k a week for say 22 weeks....£ 1.1M.

[Steve1956]

Roughly about £24 million

Ah right ...a bargain then.

[Granny WeatherWax]

Roughly about £24 million

Ha ha don’t be daft.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Ha ha don’t be daft.

I am just going off the hysteria on here. Truth is probably about £1 million ( but making a £1 million mistake in football sounds dull, we paid that for Ian Moore and were delighted to get 50k back) so £24 million sounds cool

[ClaretLoup]

Can we have Giroud on loan FOC by way of reparations?

[ClaretAndJew]

I don't understand this almost nepotistic type of work environment we have here. I understand we have to all be working towards the same goal but why do all the players have to love each other too? Why can't we have a few decent players who are also nob heads? Every other work place has them. As long as people do a good job why do they have to go above and beyond to please our so called glorious leader?

We need to be less rigid in our recruitment process. I'd rather we stayed up with a couple of cock heads in the side than go down with a squad full of mediocre halo wearers.

[Reckoner]

its fine saying we should have sent him back after the incident but unless there was something in the loan contract allowing us to cancel in such circumstances, we'd still be liable to pay the same amount to Chelsea and on his wages so its no surprise we didn't. During the loan period the loaning club bears the risk.

[Granny WeatherWax]

I don’t think we should of sent him back at all.

It’s naive to think that everyone in our squad are golden boys, I bet a number of them have got drunk and tried to pull other people’s birds before, DD just tried to pull the wrong bird and paid for it.

[jackmiggins]

We need some ‘steel’ in midfield. Some of our lot seem to be desperate to show a poetic pose when they flick their slippers at a challenge.

[Granny WeatherWax]

We need some ‘steel’ in midfield. Some of our lot seem to be desperate to show a poetic pose when they flick their slippers at a challenge.

We need a CM general who is captain material. Whether we can find one is another matter.

[jackmiggins]

I think it was a tad more than ‘picking the wrong bird’ - unbelievable attitude.

[Granny WeatherWax]

I think it was a tad more than ‘picking the wrong bird’ - unbelievable attitude.

Was it? It was widely reported what he did.

[AlargeClaret]

You really think so? My guess is that it will be looked at as an opportunity to reduce running costs by 50k a week and have blind faith that we don't suffer any injuries or suspensions in midfield between January and May. I would add lack of form to that list, but as we have found out recently, certain players appear to be guaranteed a start providing they have 2 legs to stand on.

Herts this is no place for hard realities it’s about blind fantastical optimism

[ksrclaret]

I don't understand this almost nepotistic type of work environment we have here. I understand we have to all be working towards the same goal but why do all the players have to love each other too? Why can't we have a few decent players who are also nob heads? Every other work place has them. As long as people do a good job why do they have to go above and beyond to please our so called glorious leader?

We need to be less rigid in our recruitment process. I'd rather we stayed up with a couple of cock heads in the side than go down with a squad full of mediocre halo wearers.

I think you're spot on with this.

When we had a teeny tiny squad with no money, it was our biggest strength. But I feel this sort of thinking is now really preventing us from progressing our team.

The way we portray our dressing room of 'good lads', it's like a weird sort of cult we have going on.

[JohnMcGreal]

Drinkwater
N'Koudou
Flanagan
Bamford
Chalobah
Keane*
Kightly*

*If I remember rightly, both Kightly and Keane were loan-to-buy deals, with full transfers already agreed with Stoke and Man Utd. Both players signed permanently at the end of their loans.

So aside from those, our use of the loan market under Dyche has been a complete waste of time. We might as well not bother bringing players in on loan.

[Steve1956]

I don't understand this almost nepotistic type of work environment we have here. I understand we have to all be working towards the same goal but why do all the players have to love each other too? Why can't we have a few decent players who are also nob heads? Every other work place has them. As long as people do a good job why do they have to go above and beyond to please our so called glorious leader?

We need to be less rigid in our recruitment process. I'd rather we stayed up with a couple of cock heads in the side than go down with a squad full of mediocre halo wearers.

Brilliant

[Rileybobs]

Drinkwater
N'Koudou
Flanagan
Bamford
Chalobah
Keane*
Kightly*

*If I remember rightly, both Kightly and Keane were loan-to-buy deals, with full transfers already agreed with Stoke and Man Utd. Both players signed permanently at the end of their loans.

So aside from those, our use of the loan market under Dyche has been a complete waste of time. We might as well not bother bringing players in on loan.

So aside from the loan deals that haven’t been a waste of time our loans have been a waste of time? Sounds about right.

It’s difficult to get good loan deals when you’re a middle/lower end Premier League side because the players that the better sides are willing to loan out are generally no better than what we have. I can’t think of many loan signings that didn’t work out that have gone onto better things.

I don’t think that many comparable clubs to ours have a load of success in the loan market. It’s a low-risk, low-cost way to fill gaps in the squad and in the case of Drinkwater a chance to get our foot in the door to sign a player who would in normal circumstances be out of our league. In this case it didn’t pay off but in the grand scheme of things has cost us relatively little.

[BOYSIE31]

So aside from the loan deals that haven’t been a waste of time our loans have been a waste of time? Sounds about right.

It’s difficult to get good loan deals when you’re a middle/lower end Premier League side because the players that the better sides are willing to loan out are generally no better than what we have. I can’t think of many loan signings that didn’t work out that have gone onto better things.

I don’t think that many comparable clubs to ours have a load of success in the loan market. It’s a low-risk, low-cost way to fill gaps in the squad and in the case of Drinkwater a chance to get our foot in the door to sign a player who would in normal circumstances be out of our league. In this case it didn’t pay off but in the grand scheme of things has cost us relatively little.

Not little if you know the full cost of wages

[tim_noone]

Roughly about £24 million

How do so many on here know so much about the ins and outs of his signing on details etc etc...

[Hopey1786]

Hes extending

[ClaretTony]

Hardly surprising and which club would want to send players here now after that?

Is this to be laughed at or are you actually serious?

[ClaretTony]

Drinkwater
N'Koudou
Flanagan
Bamford
Chalobah
Keane*
Kightly*

*If I remember rightly, both Kightly and Keane were loan-to-buy deals, with full transfers already agreed with Stoke and Man Utd. Both players signed permanently at the end of their loans.

So aside from those, our use of the loan market under Dyche has been a complete waste of time. We might as well not bother bringing players in on loan.

You seem to know more about the Kightly and Keane deals than the rest of us do. We wanted to bring Keane in permanently, that I do know, but there was certainly no loan to buy deal.

[ksrclaret]

Is this to be laughed at or are you actually serious?

Do you not think clubs will think twice about sending players on loan to us, given how little game time many loans players get for us?

If a club wants their loan player to play games to develop, it would be very odd for them to send said player to Burnley

[ClaretTony]

So aside from the loan deals that haven’t been a waste of time our loans have been a waste of time? Sounds about right.

It’s difficult to get good loan deals when you’re a middle/lower end Premier League side because the players that the better sides are willing to loan out are generally no better than what we have. I can’t think of many loan signings that didn’t work out that have gone onto better things.

I don’t think that many comparable clubs to ours have a load of success in the loan market. It’s a low-risk, low-cost way to fill gaps in the squad and in the case of Drinkwater a chance to get our foot in the door to sign a player who would in normal circumstances be out of our league. In this case it didn’t pay off but in the grand scheme of things has cost us relatively little.

A sensible post but unfortunately the negativity has become a seriously bad smell on this board recently. Seems some posters are revelling in it. I could name a few who don't come near on a Saturday night when we've won but a bad result and they are all over the board.

[cricketfieldclarets]

A few people reproaching our club for not playing Drinkwater whereas the focus should have been on why he was recruited in the first place.

This is a player who turned down England so he could have a night out with a bird, crashed his car into a wall and was banned for drunk driving, and was sidelined for a whole season by Sarri, not just from the Premier League but the FA Cup & League Cup.

There was a link on the excellent Magic Money Tree thread of an interview with Gary Neville on the changes in the game which includes a long section on how the modern professional footballer looks after himself, many employ chefs, drivers ( to avoid back injuries) and all kinds of therapists and how closely they are monitored by the clubs via Sports Science centres.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -of-change

If you`re in any doubt as to how far away Drinkwater probably is from the modern standards spare yourself 20 minutes.

But having known about all that we still signed him despite being massive on good eggs. We have to share some if not all of the blame.

[Steve1956]

A sensible post but unfortunately the negativity has become a seriously bad smell on this board recently. Seems some posters are revelling in it. I could name a few who don't come near on a Saturday night when we've won but a bad result and they are all over the board.

Maybe they don't come on on Saturday nights when we win because they are out having a few jars to celebrate,I could be wrong,I tend not to come on here on Saturdays

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Should of terminated the loan after the incident. We've basically paid 50k a week to get him fit and ready to be loaned to a competitor. What an absolutely shambolic piece of business.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Maybe we ought to have actually signed a midfielder on a permanent basis in the summer.

Summer 2018?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

A sensible post but unfortunately the negativity has become a seriously bad smell on this board recently. Seems some posters are revelling in it. I could name a few who don't come near on a Saturday night when we've won but a bad result and they are all over the board.

Sadly that’s what a fans forum exists for, the good and the bad. It’s sad to see, but it’s also something that shouldn’t be to heavily criticised. I like the fools, they entertain me and make me feel better about my own life and outlook.

[Rileybobs]

Not little if you know the full cost of wages

Even if we paid the entire £100k per week that Drinkwater reportedly earns, which we won’t be doing, then it would have cost the club a shade over £2m which is, like I said, relatively little in the grand scheme of things.

[cricketfieldclarets]

50k a week for say 22 weeks....£ 1.1M.

That would've paid for every house in burnley to have a free season ticket. At least they'd have got some return on that spend. Frightening.

[RammyClaret61]

A sensible post but unfortunately the negativity has become a seriously bad smell on this board recently. Seems some posters are revelling in it. I could name a few who don't come near on a Saturday night when we've won but a bad result and they are all over the board.

Unfortunately it’s the same on all social media. I’ve seen posters on our Facebook go into great detail about what we should and shouldn’t do after a defeat. Not a word after a win.

[Reckoner]

Should of terminated the loan after the incident. We've basically paid 50k a week to get him fit and ready to be loaned to a competitor. What an absolutely shambolic piece of business.

without knowing if that was possible under the loan agreement (which is very unlikely given the loaning club usually takes the full risk) how can you say that?

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

without knowing if that was possible under the loan agreement (which is very unlikely given the loaning club usually takes the full risk) how can you say that?

I'm pretty sure getting injured in a fight in a nightclub and being injured and so, being unable to perform your job is classed as gross misconduct, a sackable offence in any role.

[agreenwood]

Hardly surprising and which club would want to send players here now after that?

I know DD did his own damage along the way, but he was available many times when our own midfield was lacking and he still never got off the bench.

There’s been several loans you could say this about in the past, but not this one. This is an experienced, unwanted pro who we saved Chelsea a substantial part of his salary. We did them a favour.

The fact that he hasn’t played says a lot more about him, than it does us on this occasion.

[burnleymik]

Is this to be laughed at or are you actually serious?

Why is that difficult to comprehend?

Why would they send players here to warm the bench? Our starting 11 very rarely changes, so why would you send players here if you want them to get first team experience?

I can't believe you can view it any other way?