ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

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ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:54 pm

Don't think it needed confirming but it has been

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:22 pm

I wonder how much this fiasco has cost us, in terms of club commitments as well as financial.

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Post by MACCA » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:34 pm

Another poor window that has come back to bite us on the backside.

When you act as late as we do, penny pinch like we do, you end up leaving yourself susceptible to things like this
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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:34 pm

50 grand a week for 4 months. With a potential loan fee as well will be the best part of a million quid.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Billyblah » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:36 pm

Vydra, Drinkwater, Gibson...for a club on comparatively tight budgets who claim to assess all aspects of players before signing them, the list of pointless acquisitions is starting to stack up.
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Post by boyyanno » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:39 pm

Why can't Dyche just be honest about the situation. Nonsense to think we "couldn't get him enough game time". Dyche realises he makes the decision on who to play doesn't he? And if he's such a good player and character then why is he going back after not playing and scrubbing a wage off us.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by MACCA » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:44 pm

Billyblah wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:36 pm
Vydra, Drinkwater, Gibson...for a club on comparatively tight budgets who claim to assess all aspects of players before signing them, the list of pointless acquisitions is starting to stack up.
Add Hart and Wells to the list and you're talking over 30m in fees and no doubt over 200k a week in wages....

Hell of a lot of money, that's a quality player or 2 right there.
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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by kentonclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:46 pm

If Danny Drinkwater had a "poor attitude", as some are now claiming, why wasn't he sent packing straight back to Chelsea after the nightclub incident? Burnley could have cut their losses since he was never going to play no matter how dire our midfielders were performing.

A lesson in how to squander hundreds of thousands of pounds whilst at the same time claiming to be "prudent".

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:48 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:44 pm
Add Hart and Wells to the list and you're talking over 30m in fees and no doubt over 200k a week in wages....

Hell of a lot of money, that's a quality player or 2 right there.
Isn't the point that we hoped they would become quality signings?
We could just as easily spent £30 million on a single player who didn't work out, many clubs have.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by dsr » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:48 pm

I don't know why we ever sign players that don't work out. Why aren't we like everyone else, and only sign good players?
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Post by SkiptonClaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:50 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:44 pm
Add Hart and Wells to the list and you're talking over 30m in fees and no doubt over 200k a week in wages....

Hell of a lot of money, that's a quality player or 2 right there.
Add Crouch (how much ?) and there’s probably 3.

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Post by FactualFrank » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:58 pm

Gibson wasn't a pointless signing without hindsight.

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Post by MACCA » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:58 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:48 pm
I don't know why we ever sign players that don't work out. Why aren't we like everyone else, and only sign good players?
They key is to sign better than what you have, improve the first 11, and then the squad improves aswell

Signing players either
Not good enough
Wont get a chance to play
Will just sit in the squad incase emergencies

They will rarely if ever be regarded as good signings, and it won't push you forwards on the field.

Look what signing Gray and Barton did in the championship season, arguably our best 2 players , match winners, bought to play as they were better than what we had, improved the team massively and instantly, that meant those who they replaced went on the bench, and could step in and do a job when required .
It ultimately got us the title.
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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by summitclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:02 pm

Billyblah wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:36 pm
Vydra, Drinkwater, Gibson...for a club on comparatively tight budgets who claim to assess all aspects of players before signing them, the list of pointless acquisitions is starting to stack up.

Gibson was not a pointless signing. It's not his fault that Mee is unshiftable. We needed a 4th striker so I can't complain about signing Vydra. He has not had a chance. We should gave pushed the boat out for Philips. Ridiculous approach to cm yet again. A net spend of £4m in the last window was pathetic. Many of us knew Cork was going to struggle and before anyone has go check earlier posts from last summer.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by BOYSIE31 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:04 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:44 pm
Add Hart and Wells to the list and you're talking over 30m in fees and no doubt over 200k a week in wages....

Hell of a lot of money, that's a quality player or 2 right there.
And add Lennon and Walters and possibly pieters

Been saying the same for months - no wonder we have no money it's all been wasted

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:07 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:04 pm
And add Lennon and Walters and possibly pieters

Been saying the same for months - no wonder we have no money it's all been wasted
can't blame the club for signing Hart when we had three goalkeepers injured. Just bad luck.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by summitclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:10 pm

BOYSIE31 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:04 pm
And add Lennon and Walters and possibly pieters

Been saying the same for months - no wonder we have no money it's all been wasted
Nothing wrong with Erik as back up. Hart was a weird signing. Wells was weird. League 1 jouneyman striker and I injured. Waltersxwas worth a punt. Lennon was never the answer. We would have gone down without Dwight.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by IanMcL » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:34 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:48 pm
Hindsight is always 20/20.
It is this year anyway!
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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Billyblah » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:44 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:02 pm
Gibson was not a pointless signing. It's not his fault that Mee is unshiftable. We needed a 4th striker so I can't complain about signing Vydra. He has not had a chance. We should gave pushed the boat out for Philips. Ridiculous approach to cm yet again. A net spend of £4m in the last window was pathetic. Many of us knew Cork was going to struggle and before anyone has go check earlier posts from last summer.
It's pointless in signing players up who have been successful elsewhere and then consigning them to, at best, warming the bench. Historically money has always been tight at Turf Moor. By Premiership standards, money remains 'tight'. Most fans seem to share a frustration in not having seen/being able to make any sort of
vaguely informed judgement on multi million pound players who at best have made only a handful of cameo appearances in a team that is now looking decidedly threadbare and, in the last couple of games really struggled to get the ball into the opposition's box.
Kevin Long appearing as a last ditch attempt to rescue the Everton game with Drinkwater sat on the bench and Vydra totally absent was completely bizarre.
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:54 pm
Don't think it needed confirming but it has been

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So we could send him back early after all!?

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:22 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:48 pm

Hindsight is always 20/20.
Foresight isn't!

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:28 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:18 pm
So we could send him back early after all!?
No, he goes back on Monday at the end of his loan

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by scouseclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:51 pm

boyyanno wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:39 pm
Why can't Dyche just be honest about the situation. Nonsense to think we "couldn't get him enough game time". Dyche realises he makes the decision on who to play doesn't he? And if he's such a good player and character then why is he going back after not playing and scrubbing a wage off us.
To be fair to Dyche, it’s been difficult to accommodate Drinkwater, what with Cork and Westwood being in such fine form...

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Post by dsr » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:05 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:10 pm
Nothing wrong with Erik as back up. Hart was a weird signing. Wells was weird. League 1 jouneyman striker and I injured. Waltersxwas worth a punt. Lennon was never the answer. We would have gone down without Dwight.
I think to qualify as a "League One journeyman striker", you would need to play more than 22 games in League 1, and you would need to score less than Wells' League One rate of two goals every three games. If you had said "good Championship striker (63 goals in 204 games) but not good enough for the Premier League", you would have had a point. But saying "League 1 journeyman", that's having a go at the club just for the sake of it.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:16 pm

dsr wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:05 pm
I think to qualify as a "League One journeyman striker", you would need to play more than 22 games in League 1, and you would need to score less than Wells' League One rate of two goals every three games. If you had said "good Championship striker (63 goals in 204 games) but not good enough for the Premier League", you would have had a point. But saying "League 1 journeyman", that's having a go at the club just for the sake of it.
Was still a bizarre signing. Most bizarre of the lot. Injured. Never played at this level. Had less than a year on his contract. Huddersfield didn't want him. 'Ok 5m do you?' :lol:

It was insanity.

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Post by Spijed » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:18 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:16 pm
Was still a bizarre signing. Most bizarre of the lot. Injured. Never played at this level. Had less than a year on his contract. Huddersfield didn't want him. 'Ok 5m do you?' :lol:

It was insanity.
Huddersfield didn't want Arfield either!

Your point is?

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:23 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:58 pm
They key is to sign better than what you have, improve the first 11, and then the squad improves aswell

Signing players either
Not good enough
Wont get a chance to play
Will just sit in the squad incase emergencies

They will rarely if ever be regarded as good signings, and it won't push you forwards on the field.

Look what signing Gray and Barton did in the championship season, arguably our best 2 players , match winners, bought to play as they were better than what we had, improved the team massively and instantly, that meant those who they replaced went on the bench, and could step in and do a job when required .
It ultimately got us the title.
exactly this, nail hit firmly on the head

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Post by MACCA » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:27 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:23 pm
exactly this, nail hit firmly on the head

It's not a hard concept, I do wonder why so many on here can't grasp it.

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Post by Damo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:59 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:58 pm
They key is to sign better than what you have, improve the first 11, and then the squad improves aswell

Signing players either
Not good enough
Wont get a chance to play
Will just sit in the squad incase emergencies

They will rarely if ever be regarded as good signings, and it won't push you forwards on the field.

Look what signing Gray and Barton did in the championship season, arguably our best 2 players , match winners, bought to play as they were better than what we had, improved the team massively and instantly, that meant those who they replaced went on the bench, and could step in and do a job when required .
It ultimately got us the title.
After reading this I honestly cant understand why we employed Mike Rigg.
Dyche too should be taking a long hard look at himself
Really cant believe we have never thought of signing players better than the ones we currently have.
Hopefully we can drop down to the championship, and pick up an ex England international, or a highly rated goal scorer for less than £10 million.
Genius
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:02 am

Damo wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:59 pm
After reading this I honestly cant understand why we employed Mike Rigg.
Dyche too should be taking a long hard look at himself
Really cant believe we have never thought of signing players better than the ones we currently have.
Hopefully we can drop down to the championship, and pick up an ex England international, or a highly rated goal scorer for less than £10 million.
Genius
While it reads as glaringly obvious its clear that's not our strategy. We need to be improving our side not only for the rest if this season but in preparation for next.

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Post by Damo » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:02 am
While it reads as glaringly obvious its clear that's not our strategy. We need to be improving our side not only for the rest if this season but in preparation for next.
Ok, in terms of the strategy you think we should impliment, who do you think we should replace any of our starting eleven with? Name some players that we can afford that will improve our starting line up?

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:35 am

Damo wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 am
Ok, in terms of the strategy you think we should impliment, who do you think we should replace any of our starting eleven with? Name some players that we can afford that will improve our starting line up?
For one. I am not employed to do that. We have a head scout and a manager on 70k a week to do that.

Two I actually did recommend a player to the club before that went on to very good things. Along with a couple of his then teammates who have had alright careers. They weren't interested at the time. Also highlighted how very good a now prominent premier league midfielder was way before he played in this league. Granted that was only by posting on here. But Belgian claret did the same with defour. Theres loads of players out there that a professional scout with a highly paid manager could identify with a bit of nous.

Three there are a thousand and one players out there that could and would improve our team. Not just limited to the championship and premier league loans.

Four a change of system occasionally might just help. You know. Make us less predictable. Bit of a wild card. Maybe even use some of those players we spent good money on in said system. You know. Gibson and Vydra. Two of the outstanding players in the league we signed them from and where we limit most of our shopping to.

Five. Maybe just maybe start looking outside of our little bubble and playing the club down at the same time. We are a big club. With money. With appeal. Shout about it. And look abroad while we are at it. Look in Belgium. France. Germany. Austria. We dont have to go to Brazil. Look at Sweden. Spain. Portugal.
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Post by Stayingup » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:21 am

boyyanno wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:39 pm
Why can't Dyche just be honest about the situation. Nonsense to think we "couldn't get him enough game time". Dyche realises he makes the decision on who to play doesn't he? And if he's such a good player and character then why is he going back after not playing and scrubbing a wage off us.
Its a very good question that you pose. Just thinking maybe Burnley and Chelsea (or the player) couldn't agree terms for either an extension or a transfer. Could be the case.

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Post by wilks_bfc » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:29 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:21 am
Its a very good question that you pose. Just thinking maybe Burnley and Chelsea (or the player) couldn't agree terms for either an extension or a transfer. Could be the case.
I can imagine the conversation went something like this

SD: Hi Danny do you want to stay with us for rest of the season sitting on the bench and maybe getting the of 10mins but only then if the player I was going to take off doesn’t do some thing extraordinary like create a goal or score a goal or even have a shot on goal?
DD: No thanks
SD: Ok. Bye

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Post by boyyanno » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:56 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:21 am
Its a very good question that you pose. Just thinking maybe Burnley and Chelsea (or the player) couldn't agree terms for either an extension or a transfer. Could be the case.
It's possible that this is the case but if we were intending to keep him here longer (either permanently or on loan) then I'd have expected to see him feature more. I'd just rather see Dyche admit that was the case, if so, rather than trot the line out that we "couldn't get him any game time": especially considering Dyche is the one that made the decision not to play him.

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Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:03 am

I had no issue with us keeping him after the night club fiasco as I assumed at some stage he'd play some games, but for us to then spend all that time (and money) on him when he was never going to play was plain daft. SD should have sent him back straight away. The initial incident doesn't look good on DD, but from the outside, what's happened since doesn't look great on us either.

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Post by bfcjg » Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:08 am

If putting him on the bench was a Sean Dyche masterstroke to motivate our existing midfielders it spectacularly failed.
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Post by mill hill claret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:34 am

Having medical at villa according to Twitter

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:05 am

It's in all the papers now that Drinkwater has undertaken a medical and will sign for the rest of the season. Most of them seem to think that Villa are picking up the full tab with respect to wages. According to the Birmingham Mail, this would put him on a par with the club's top earner, which allegedly is Tom Heaton.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:07 am

Be fun when he plays and has a decent game, those on here who said we should never have signed him (for reasons like a bad egg or a busted flush) will be logging in and saying we should have kept him.

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Post by burnleymik » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:09 am

ClaretLoup wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:05 am
It's in all the papers now that Drinkwater has undertaken a medical and will sign for the rest of the season. Most of them seem to think that Villa are picking up the full tab with respect to wages. According to the Birmingham Mail, this would put him on a par with the club's top earner, which allegedly is Tom Heaton.

I really hope this isn't one we come to regret, and he goes on to play well and help keep Villa up at possibly our expense.

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Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:10 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:07 am
Be fun when he plays and has a decent game, those on here who said we should never have signed him (for reasons like a bad egg or a busted flush) will be logging in and saying we should have kept him.
Was just thinking the very same thoughts cotc

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Post by joey13 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:13 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:07 am
Be fun when he plays and has a decent game, those on here who said we should never have signed him (for reasons like a bad egg or a busted flush) will be logging in and saying we should have kept him.
So what you saying we should have kept him ?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:16 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:13 am
So what you saying we should have kept him ?
No, what I am saying is that at the time of the signing it was a decent signing but it didn't work out ( not hard to figure this bit) sometimes things don't in football, but the fact the little group on here who bitch about everything used this signing to slate the club and manager with the amazing use of hindsight. This won't stop them changing tune if he plays well for Villa.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Sproggy » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:20 am

We'll have to see how he goes. But if he gets game time for Villa and plays well, it's reasonable to ask why he wasn't given the opportunity here beyond his 60 minute cameo.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by joey13 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:21 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:16 am
No, what I am saying is that at the time of the signing it was a decent signing but it didn't work out ( not hard to figure this bit) sometimes things don't in football, but the fact the little group on here who bitch about everything used this signing to slate the club and manager with the amazing use of hindsight. This won't stop them changing tune if he plays well for Villa.
It was hardly hindsight, bearing in mind his lack of games for Chelsea and his drinking issues

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by claretblue » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:21 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:13 am
So what you saying we should have kept him ?
he should have been given time in our midfield following Man City game...and if he improved our teams performance should have been retained for 2nd half of season
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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by Mala591 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:21 am

Should have played in EVERY u23 game when he was 'physically fit'. Yes, even the one the day after the Christmas party trip to Dublin. Why on earth was he there when we were trying desperately to get him 'match fit'?

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:23 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:21 am
It was hardly hindsight, bearing in mind his lack of games for Chelsea and his drinking issues
Then you must be amazed another club has taken him on bearing in mind his lack of games for Chelsea and Burnley and his "drinking issues" you seem to know a lot about, while paying a lot more than we did.

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Re: ARTICLE: Burnley confirm Drinkwater return

Post by burnleymik » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:26 am

Why would Villa want a midfielder who couldn't even break into the Burnley first team?

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