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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:16 pm

I'm reading a lot of "we can't afford to buy such and such a player" - I feel it's more we choose not to

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:14 pm
. Does that mean I was happy with the Villa performance? No it doesn't, it was dreadful, but it was considerably better than some of the bile I've seen written on this message board often from people who seem to live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to our club.
Strange thing about the Villa game is that had our forwards not had a collective stinker we would have won comfortably. Yes, it was an aweful game of football, but you'd struggle to find a game where we missed as many reasonable chances.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:20 pm

Sadly its not down to Rigg-its the Chairman and directors. I have seen it in my line of work. Certain senior people come in-you know the minute you meet them they will be somewhere else in 3-4 years. Occasionally you are proved wrong. These guys have no passion or affinity for the club (not like the majority of true claret fans$). They are eventually judged by their results, and when the heat is on they ofteny move on with a fairly impressive CV. Then you get the likes of Barry Kilby who lives and sleeps and absolutely cares about our club

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leicsclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:21 pm

So what is the budget and where is all the money? Other clubs manage to buy players and look abroad we don’t. There is an issue somewhere

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:18 pm
Strange thing about the Villa game is that had our forwards not had a collective stinker we would have won comfortably. Yes, it was an aweful game of football, but you'd struggle to find a game where we missed as many reasonable chances.
You are right, we did create and miss chances but overall we did deserve to lose the game - the first half was horrible to be honest.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm
You are right, we did create and miss chances but overall we did deserve to lose the game - the first half was horrible to be honest.
Yes, it really was.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Helmshore Claret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:26 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:34 pm
Or maybe players better than what we have already just don't want to come to Burnley! Certainly if I was a player who had been approached by Burnley and thought, I'll just have a look on their messageboard to see what their fans think of the club and their manager, I would definitely not get a good impression!
Had a look at Villa ( Holte End 21st & 28th Dec) They wanted to get rid of Smith, play Grealish in the middle of the park, (wish they had not given him a free role on NYD) poor signings,wondering if Rafa could be prised away from China etc. It will probably be all smiles now, so,maybe,a good time for potential signings to have a look. On a more serious note I think that, on the whole UTC is supportive of the players, manager and the club for making 'top flight' football affordable.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:27 pm

Leicsclaret-where are you based in Leicester. I have just moved to Market Harborough from South Warks, and now surrounded by Foxes

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by NL Claret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:33 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:06 pm
No, but we probably wouldn't have had Peter Crouch either.
Are you Macca too?

Club sell a player who wants to leave for £8m and replace with someone who would have done similar anyway.

I'm guessing that bottom half of the PL isn't good enough for you?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:36 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:14 pm
Of course we have problems signing players. The four year run is working against us now in some ways because we can't get players on the cheap, in relative terms, as we'd done previously. I don't know what change of philosophy you want. We are a club that won't go into debt to sign players, is that what you want us to do? We probably just can't afford the sort of players you think we should be signing. We are in a strong position financially, but not a club able to start pushing the boat out. I understand that, and understand the size of club I support. I always understand that to be in this league for four successive years is beyond anything I could have ever thought would happen. I understand that our time at this level will always be limited. You call it out when we are abysmal? No, you call it out every time the result doesn't go the way you want it to. I just understand how difficult it is for us to compete at this level. Does that mean I was happy with the Villa performance? No it doesn't, it was dreadful, but it was considerably better than some of the bile I've seen written on this message board often from people who seem to live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to our club.
I never have and never will advocate getting into a financial mess by signing players.

I will never accept though that there are no players around, within our budget, who would improve us. It’s not not true, we’ve seen clubs similar to ours sign players who we could afford and would arguably improve us.

Yeah 4 years in the prem etc etc is brilliant, no one is saying it isn’t. I’m just questioning our transfer philosophy given those 4 years, we seem to be regressing.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:37 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:36 pm
I never have and never will advocate getting into a financial mess by signing players.

I will never accept though that there are no players around, within our budget, who would improve us. It’s not not true, we’ve seen clubs similar to ours sign players who we could afford and would arguably improve us.

Yeah 4 years in the prem etc etc is brilliant, no one is saying it isn’t. I’m just questioning our transfer philosophy given those 4 years, we seem to be regressing.
You might think we are regressing - not sure which clubs you consider similar to ours who are signing players we could afford and would improve us.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by claretblue » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 pm
the first half was horrible to be honest
and also described as dreadful in earlier post

...what comments have been posted that result in 'horrible + dreadful' being considerably better than some others on this message board? :?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Blackrod » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:46 pm

Greeny wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:02 pm
Nobody can defend our transfer policy, well apart from Leisure who appears to have some very heavy duty claret lenses fitted.

There is not one person on the numerous threads that I have seen on this Messageboard asking for BFC to blow gazillions of pounds on some superstars, the frustration throughout the last umpteen transfer windows, is that we seem incapable of signing any players to add some pace and guile to the squad. We appear to have no scouting network and no clue re the lower leagues and the talent available.

The Rigg/Garlick/Dyche transfer axis has the distinct flavour of "couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery".

But hey ho Leisure, let's keep the bank balance looking healthy whilst continuing to rely on Westwood & Cork. They will fit right in when we are back in the Championship.
Very amusing first paragraph 😀😀
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretAL » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:50 pm

alboclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:01 pm
Agree we are not a n attractive proposition.
What's annoying for fans (me anyway) is that after our 7th place finish (seems an age ago now) our stock was, must have been at its highest.
That was the time to make improvements to the squad 2/3 good strong signings ie first teamers.


Missed the boat. A lot harder now.
Totally agree with this, and feels like a Bullseye moment in look what you could have won.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:37 pm
You might think we are regressing - not sure which clubs you consider similar to ours who are signing players we could afford and would improve us.
Without thinking about it too hard:

Brooks - Bournemouth
Mooy - Brighton
Austin - West Brom

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:06 pm

Mooy is proving to be one of the shrewdest loans of the season. No doubt Brighton will end up buying him
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:11 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:30 pm
Yes, you'd think so. We have recruited lots for the U23s and U18s, which (I guess) is part of his job. And I'm sure we'd strengthen if SD's targets were within our budget.
SD will know our budgets.
What would be his point if every name he suggested/approved of, was way above such budgetary figures
I don't think he is that good about picking players himself (hence the appointment of a man with Rigg's experience) but this is a results based business and he knows the squad needs strengthening at first eleven level (at least I hope he does) as his job is also is on the line if we don't get better players in

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:12 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:56 pm
Without thinking about it too hard:

Brooks - Bournemouth
Mooy - Brighton
Austin - West Brom
Do you seriously think we can compete with Bournemouth financially?

And Austin, doesn’t often get a start at West Brom in the Championship.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:16 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:12 pm
Do you seriously think we can compete with Bournemouth financially?

And Austin, doesn’t often get a start at West Brom in the Championship.
The fee quoted for Brooks we could have afforded and I suspect he’s not on a fortune.

Austin improves us IMO

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Fez » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:17 pm

It's all good having an opinion on here, unless of course you're disagreeing with ClaretTony

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:16 pm
The fee quoted for Brooks we could have afforded and I suspect he’s not on a fortune.

Austin improves us IMO
You suspect wrong on Brooks.

As for Austin, he’s struggled for a while now with injuries. I wouldn’t have considered him a good signing.

Mooy done well for Brighton to be fair, far better than he ever was at Huddersfield.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by jojomk1 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:05 pm
Dyche has no budget to work with, he’s already said so twice in the past 2 days. I believe Boden tweeted quotes from Dyche earlier today about the lack of funds available. We are broke, cash strapped.
Is that the same miniscule budget that brought in Gibson and Vydra for £25m and wages for DD this summer

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 pm

Leicsclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:21 pm
So what is the budget and where is all the money? Other clubs manage to buy players and look abroad we don’t. There is an issue somewhere
The money is under Mr Garlick's bed and how do you know that we don't look abroad?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Blackrod » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:19 pm

To say there is no money is ridiculous as is saying it’s hard to attract players. There are plenty of young hungry players that would love a chance in the PL both home and abroad. If we aren’t paying the going rate for seasoned pros we need a good recruitment network. This should be Galicks speciality. There really is some small minded negativeness. We’ve had years to put one in place as we’ve known for a long time we don’t want to spend.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by beddie » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:19 pm

I really don't think Austin would be a welcome addition to our dressing room.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:19 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 pm
Is that the same miniscule budget that brought in Gibson and Vydra for £25m and wages for DD this summer
That's why we have no money! 😉

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leicsclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:20 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:27 pm
Leicsclaret-where are you based in Leicester. I have just moved to Market Harborough from South Warks, and now surrounded by Foxes
Live near Hinckley. Sick to death of Leicester fans going on and on 🙄

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Row Z » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:20 pm

Struggling to understand why we wouldn't have transfer funds available, its not like we have signed loads of players over the last few years.

Chairman even said we had gone in for a championship midfielder last year at club record fee (over £20m if press reports were to be believed). This transfer didn't come off but where are those funds if we didn't spend them?

Bottom line for me is that the starting 11 needs strengthening.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 pm
You suspect wrong on Brooks.

As for Austin, he’s struggled for a while now with injuries. I wouldn’t have considered him a good signing.

Mooy done well for Brighton to be fair, far better than he ever was at Huddersfield.
I’ve just googled Brooks. The first 2 sites I looked at suggest he’s on 20k a week and cost £11.5m. Now even if that is 100% wrong we still can afford him.

Obviously you know best though.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:22 pm

Row Z wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:20 pm
Struggling to understand why we wouldn't have transfer funds available, its not like we have signed loads of players over the last few years.

Chairman even said we had gone in for a championship midfielder last year at club record fee (over £20m if press reports were to be believed). This transfer didn't come off but where are those funds if we didn't spend them?

Bottom line for me is that the starting 11 needs strengthening.
I'm guessing that would be Calvin-Phillips at Leeds. Shame we couldn't pull it off he looks a great player.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:22 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:19 pm
To say there is no money is ridiculous as is saying it’s hard to attract players. There are plenty of young hungry players that would love a chance in the PL both home and abroad. If we aren’t paying the going rate for seasoned pros we need a good recruitment network. This should be Galicks speciality. There really is some small minded negativeness. We’ve had years to put one in place as we’ve known for a long time we don’t want to spend.
Interested to know just who these young hungry players are who are better than our present players and would immediately go into the 1st team ( because if they aren't they're no good to us in our present situation)?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Local cricketer » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:23 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:18 pm
The money is under Mr Garlick's bed and how do you know that we don't look abroad?
We don't look abroad because Ryanair's prices have gone up

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leicsclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:26 pm

With Dyche I think anyone would struggle to get into the first team. They have to be Dyche fit and warm the bench for a bit. It will be the same 11 each week no matter what. That’s why fans are becoming annoyed and grumpy

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:30 pm

NL Claret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:33 pm
Are you Macca too?

Club sell a player who wants to leave for £8m and replace with someone who would have done similar anyway.

I'm guessing that bottom half of the PL isn't good enough for you?
No its fine. I'd have kept the 8 million and played Bertie Bee for 5 minutes every 2 weeks. Lower wages but similar impact. Maybe not as many laughs in the crowd though when he came on.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:31 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:22 pm
Interested to know just who these young hungry players are who are better than our present players and would immediately go into the 1st team ( because if they aren't they're no good to us in our present situation)?
Isn't that basically Mike Rigg's job description? For which I suspect he's being paid rather well.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:33 pm

Greeny - Please point out just where I have defended our transfer policy? ( In fact I didn't know that we had one! ).

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:35 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:31 pm
Isn't that basically Mike Rigg's job description? For which I suspect he's being paid rather well.
Yes it is but I thought (obviously incorrectly) that you had identified these players!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:36 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:22 pm
I’ve just googled Brooks. The first 2 sites I looked at suggest he’s on 20k a week and cost £11.5m. Now even if that is 100% wrong we still can afford him.

Obviously you know best though.
So you now get player wage info from websites. :D

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:37 pm

Leicsclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:26 pm
With Dyche I think anyone would struggle to get into the first team. They have to be Dyche fit and warm the bench for a bit. It will be the same 11 each week no matter what. That’s why fans are becoming annoyed and grumpy
Surely you've got used to that by now!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:37 pm

Leicsclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:26 pm
With Dyche I think anyone would struggle to get into the first team. They have to be Dyche fit and warm the bench for a bit. It will be the same 11 each week no matter what. That’s why fans are becoming annoyed and grumpy
Interesting you say that. Just over a year ago he was being criticised for making too many changes.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leisure » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:38 pm

Anyway, that's me done now. Off to bed to get ready for an important cup game tomorrow! UTC

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Leicsclaret » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:41 pm

Too many changes yes but if someone is out of form then surely they should be dropped. The issue is we have very few options so who is to blame?

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Row Z » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:37 pm
Interesting you say that. Just over a year ago he was being criticised for making too many changes.
Don't recall this being a problem with Dyche - the norm is him sticking with players who are terribly out of form when he has the options to change it.
He has improved with this slightly given the options he has within the squad.

Take our 23 game run in the championship, that only happened because he brought Ward and another player (memory fails me) back in, when fans were crying out for the changes earlier.

It's cup games when he makes wholesale changes and we always struggle.
Although saying that he brought Brady back for Villa and that backfired!

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Sproggy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:44 pm

Leisure wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:35 pm
Yes it is but I thought (obviously incorrectly) that you had identified these players!
No, sorry mate, I work in IT. If you give me 18 months and Mike Rigg's salary I'm willing to give it a go though.
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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:36 pm
So you now get player wage info from websites. :D
Even if it’s 100% wrong....

You’ve zero idea how much he earns other than looking at what is available on the internet.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Stayingup » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:46 pm

MACCA wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:08 pm
Dont mention Leicester, they're loaded.

We are doing it the right way
They weren't that loaded when they signed these two. And how much did they pay for them? They didn't need to be loaded

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:49 pm

Dyche has wasted transfer funds but we could probably get that back in sales.

The big problem seems to be the experienced players he has brought in on big wages haven't improved the team.
Hart, Lennon, Crouch and Drinkwater have all been flops and Dyche needs to move as far away from that type of signing as possible.
We need hungry players who will improve with us.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Stayingup » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:49 pm

Leicsclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:26 pm
With Dyche I think anyone would struggle to get into the first team. They have to be Dyche fit and warm the bench for a bit. It will be the same 11 each week no matter what. That’s why fans are becoming annoyed and grumpy
Brady and Wood and Cork, for example, went straight into the team.

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:54 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:46 pm
Even if it’s 100% wrong....

You’ve zero idea how much he earns other than looking at what is available on the internet.
Looking at what is available on the internet :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Mike Rigg

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:54 pm
Looking at what is available on the internet :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Yes YOU. YOU personally have zero idea how much Brooks earns. All you can do is look on the web. I have done that very thing and it suggests that we could afford him, even if it’s 100% wrong.

You’ve no clue / information etc to suggest otherwise so stop acting like you do.

And for information the same site seems to pretty much agree with what we all expect our lads to earn, within a 100% tolerance.

Grow up.

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