Erik Pieters
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Erik Pieters
Miles ahead of Taylor in terms of assists this season, now ahead of him in the scoring charts
Comments please
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Re: Erik Pieters
I thought Taylor had an assist v Villa
Thought it was funny when the Stadium announcer gave Pieters goal to Hendrick
Thought it was funny when the Stadium announcer gave Pieters goal to Hendrick
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Re: Erik Pieters
And when Jeff scored soon after he must have thought he was on a hat trick
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Re: Erik Pieters
One of those assists was a clearance that landed luckily at Barnes' feet.
Nothing against Pieters but Taylor is right to be first choice.
Nothing against Pieters but Taylor is right to be first choice.
Re: Erik Pieters
Good signing and back up. But Taylor is better.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Tbh I thought they worked well together in the second half
Maybe this is the solution for those that want Dwight to play more centrally
Maybe this is the solution for those that want Dwight to play more centrally
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Re: Erik Pieters
Bit harsh re the assist but ‘nothing against Pieters’ is as good as it gets for ErikTheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:37 pmOne of those assists was a clearance that landed luckily at Barnes' feet.
Nothing against Pieters but Taylor is right to be first choice.
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Good goal.
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Re: Erik Pieters
I think that arrangement today, in the second half, between Pieters and Taylor was a rehearsal for a future formation. As you say, perhaps for McNeill to play more centrally.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Quality goal and hes been decent enough every game. More than good enough squad player for now.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Thing is, for all that Taylor looks good going forward, his final ball is seldom threatening, whereas the more direct approach, (generally getting the ball in the box quicker) by Pieters has been more dangerous and has brought more assists
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Re: Erik Pieters
Charlie Taylor is a huge level above pieters. Trippier got more assists for spurs than walker, and a lot more, and nobody debates the better player there.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Absolutely mate...Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:41 pmCharlie Taylor is a huge level above pieters. Trippier got more assists for spurs than walker, and a lot more, and nobody debates the better player there.
Tripps was waaaaaay better.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Yes, but that's because Walker is by far the better defender, and the first role of a full-back is to defend. I'm not convinced that Taylor is so much a better defender than Pieters. I think that most fans would put Taylor ahead of Pieters, but to say that he is a "huge level" above is a gross exaggeration (IMO).Iloveyoubrady wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:41 pmCharlie Taylor is a huge level above pieters. Trippier got more assists for spurs than walker, and a lot more, and nobody debates the better player there.
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Re: Erik Pieters
He did alright today Pieters and does look better than Taylor going forward. Pity we can’t create a hybrid of them !! Taylor no1 for me though without question.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Pieters was neat and tidy as a left sided midfield player on second half today. Whether that was a rehearsal for the premier league or just to accommodate today’s team time will tell.
Re: Erik Pieters
Played very well today. Was a shock to see him running out in the left wing position second half, mind.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Spot onnil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:41 pmThing is, for all that Taylor looks good going forward, his final ball is seldom threatening, whereas the more direct approach, (generally getting the ball in the box quicker) by Pieters has been more dangerous and has brought more assists
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Re: Erik Pieters
Not even up for debate - Taylor is much much better
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Re: Erik Pieters
No contest, Taylor is one of our prized assets and operates on a different level to Pieters imo.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Pieters has played in the Champions League that makes him ahead of Taylor. Hart must play instead of Pope for the same reason and Lennon is first on the team sheet every game.We need a couple more players with CL experience and we will be pushing for the Europa League playoffs again.
Re: Erik Pieters
He was on the left as nobody else left to play there
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Re: Erik Pieters
Nice to see a full back capable of scoring a goal...and a great one at that....
Bardsley has been unlucky with a couple of shots recently but beyond that we have next to no chance of getting goals from the full backs....usually.
Well done Erik.
Bardsley has been unlucky with a couple of shots recently but beyond that we have next to no chance of getting goals from the full backs....usually.
Well done Erik.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Vintage Alex Elder.Alex hit a few like this in his time too
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Re: Erik Pieters
Was that supposed to be ironic?rufus lumley wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:07 pmPieters has played in the Champions League that makes him ahead of Taylor. Hart must play instead of Pope for the same reason and Lennon is first on the team sheet every game.We need a couple more players with CL experience and we will be pushing for the Europa League playoffs again.
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Re: Erik Pieters
One of the key things for me is that Dwight doesn't look as good when Pieters is playing. Not sure why that is, but it seems to stand out that he combines very well with Taylor. I also think Pieters is more prone to mistakes on the defensive side.
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Re: Erik Pieters
I think that might be in your head burnleymik. From my observations, only an opinion, the number of defensive mistakes is very similar. Imagine the reaction on here if Pieters had made an error like Charlie did against Man U. The likelihood of mistakes is probably more than likely to be down to the quality of the opposition on any given day.
Similarly I’ve not noticed any dip from Mc Neill when Erik plays. I just think that those who prefer Charlie T try to firm up their argument by looking for an additional back-up fact, that is nothing more than an unfounded opinion. Both play a similar game, at times getting ahead of Dwight. In my opinion Erik leads on experience/know how and Charlie leads on potential to improve further.
Similarly I’ve not noticed any dip from Mc Neill when Erik plays. I just think that those who prefer Charlie T try to firm up their argument by looking for an additional back-up fact, that is nothing more than an unfounded opinion. Both play a similar game, at times getting ahead of Dwight. In my opinion Erik leads on experience/know how and Charlie leads on potential to improve further.
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Re: Erik Pieters
I think the ratings threads might tell you all you need to know. Of course it's all opinion, but when so many people are recognising the same things there is more to it than just a single opinion.Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:16 amI think that might be in your head burnleymik. From my observations, only an opinion, the number of defensive mistakes is very similar. Imagine the reaction on here if Pieters had made an error like Charlie did against Man U. The likelihood of mistakes is probably more than likely to be down to the quality of the opposition on any given day.
Similarly I’ve not noticed any dip from Mc Neill when Erik plays. I just think that those who prefer Charlie T try to firm up their argument by looking for an additional back-up fact, that is nothing more than an unfounded opinion. Both play a similar game, at times getting ahead of Dwight. In my opinion Erik leads on experience/know how and Charlie leads on potential to improve further.
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Re: Erik Pieters
I think that the player ratings are a poor guide. Some people appear to allocate their marks even before kick-off, with the usual suspects being the scapegoats, and certain players being beyond criticism.burnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:53 amI think the ratings threads might tell you all you need to know. Of course it's all opinion, but when so many people are recognising the same things there is more to it than just a single opinion.
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Re: Erik Pieters
I disagree, most people have no axe to grind and even when they do it is usually kept in perspective with the performance on the pitch. Not often (ever?) we see someone who had a MOM performance to most people getting 4's and 5's, so I think it does, on average, paint a fairly accurate picture of the player's performance in the previous match.nil_desperandum wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:52 pmI think that the player ratings are a poor guide. Some people appear to allocate their marks even before kick-off, with the usual suspects being the scapegoats, and certain players being beyond criticism.
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Re: Erik Pieters
People keep saying this. But McNeil (or Taylor) haven't had an assist or goal since Pieters was droppedburnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:48 amOne of the key things for me is that Dwight doesn't look as good when Pieters is playing. Not sure why that is, but it seems to stand out that he combines very well with Taylor. I also think Pieters is more prone to mistakes on the defensive side.
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Re: Erik Pieters
The stats speak higher volumes.burnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:53 amI think the ratings threads might tell you all you need to know. Of course it's all opinion, but when so many people are recognising the same things there is more to it than just a single opinion.
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Re: Erik Pieters
cricketfieldclarets wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:18 pmPeople keep saying this. But McNeil (or Taylor) haven't had an assist or goal since Pieters was dropped
Not through lack of trying, how many balls have been put into the box, by both players? It's hard to say whether that is a lack of quality of our finishing (Wood and Jayrod have both missed sitters that I can remember off the top of my head) or whether that is genuinely poor deliveries.
There are too many variables to get an accurate picture, but I think judging by the best games for McNeil, they have been when Taylor has been the man behind him.
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Re: Erik Pieters
So:burnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:29 pm
There are too many variables to get an accurate picture, but I think judging by the best games for McNeil, they have been when Taylor has been the man behind him.
The game at Spurs when McNeil is by far our best player, we lose 5 nil but McNeil is in front of Pieters.
The game at Everton when McNeil makes a mistake to cost us the game and we create absolutely nothing, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game at Bournemouth when we create one chance all game via the substitutes and McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Villa at home, one shot on target all game, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Man U, we have one shot on target all game, Taylor assists the key goal that loses us the game, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Newcastle where we at least have 4 shots on target and keep a good clean sheet for a nice win, McNeil is playing with Pieters.
Basically the last 6 games show absolutely no evidence of McNeil playing better with Taylor, in fact you could argue evidence to the contrary....
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Re: Erik Pieters
You are missing one vital component there, we were awful as a whole team and didn't play much attacking football in any of those games.Hibsclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:57 pmSo:
The game at Spurs when McNeil is by far our best player, we lose 5 nil but McNeil is in front of Pieters.
The game at Everton when McNeil makes a mistake to cost us the game and we create absolutely nothing, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game at Bournemouth when we create one chance all game via the substitutes and McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Villa at home, one shot on target all game, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Man U, we have one shot on target all game, Taylor assists the key goal that loses us the game, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Newcastle where we at least have 4 shots on target and keep a good clean sheet for a nice win, McNeil is playing with Pieters.
Basically the last 6 games show absolutely no evidence of McNeil playing better with Taylor, in fact you could argue evidence to the contrary....
I am obviously talking about the games where we created chances and played some football.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Oh obviously...I see.burnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:01 pmYou are missing one vital component there, we were awful as a whole team and didn't play much attacking football in any of those games.
I am obviously talking about the games where we created chances and played some football.
You mean like against Wolves and Southampton and Arsenal early season....or the cup game against Sunderland, perhaps Norwich?
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Re: Erik Pieters
You really do post utter rubbish , how is it Taylor’s fault we only had one shot on target against Villa ,anyone who thinks Pieters is better than Taylor clearly knows nothing about football ,it’s not even up for debateHibsclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:57 pmSo:
The game at Spurs when McNeil is by far our best player, we lose 5 nil but McNeil is in front of Pieters.
The game at Everton when McNeil makes a mistake to cost us the game and we create absolutely nothing, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game at Bournemouth when we create one chance all game via the substitutes and McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Villa at home, one shot on target all game, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Man U, we have one shot on target all game, Taylor assists the key goal that loses us the game, McNeil is playing with Taylor.
The game against Newcastle where we at least have 4 shots on target and keep a good clean sheet for a nice win, McNeil is playing with Pieters.
Basically the last 6 games show absolutely no evidence of McNeil playing better with Taylor, in fact you could argue evidence to the contrary....
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Re: Erik Pieters
Home to Everton, Pieters gets taken off just after half time, Dwight goes on to get MOM.
Home to West Ham - Taylor Starts, Mcneil gets MOM.
Away to Watford - Taylor Starts, McNeil gets a decent rating and played well.
I am just saying that Dwight's best performances seem to have come when he works alongside Taylor.
Home to West Ham - Taylor Starts, Mcneil gets MOM.
Away to Watford - Taylor Starts, McNeil gets a decent rating and played well.
I am just saying that Dwight's best performances seem to have come when he works alongside Taylor.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Now you are taking it away from the point. I didn't say we don't play well with Pieters in the side, we clearly have.Hibsclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:04 pmOh obviously...I see.
You mean like against Wolves and Southampton and Arsenal early season....or the cup game against Sunderland, perhaps Norwich?
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Re: Erik Pieters
Everton had ten men when we actually got the goal. West Ham were the worst excuse of a football team to appear at the turf. Away to Watford we struggled for the first half and even Dyche admitted the 3 nil flattered us.burnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:09 pmHome to Everton, Pieters gets taken off just after half time, Dwight goes on to get MOM.
Home to West Ham - Taylor Starts, Mcneil gets MOM.
Away to Watford - Taylor Starts, McNeil gets a decent rating and played well.
I am just saying that Dwight's best performances seem to have come when he works alongside Taylor.
There is absolutely no evidence that McNeil plays better with Taylor. There is, however, evidence that Pieters can create and score goals....
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Re: Erik Pieters
So home to Everton, Pieters starts. I noticed the not so subtle change there. In fact played more than half of the match. I think that is known as massaging the stats to prove whatever you want to prove, allegedly.
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Re: Erik Pieters
What was the point again? It’s funny how that gets lost when you have evidence to prove that you are talking nonsenseburnleymik wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:10 pmNow you are taking it away from the point. I didn't say we don't play well with Pieters in the side, we clearly have.
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Re: Erik Pieters
Just so you understand I am not saying that I think that Pieters should be in ahead of Taylor, just that this season there doesn’t seem to be a lot in it. So there is no need to rubbish Pieters to strengthen the case for Taylor. They are both Burnley.
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Re: Erik Pieters
There seems to have been a quite a debate on here though ever since Pieters arrived, so it can't be as clear cut as you claim.
In any case, I'm not sure that you are addressing the same question as Hibs Claret and some others.
Who is the better footballer - Taylor (IMO and probably the majority view)
But: Who has been the most effective this season and (arguably) suits our style better - arguably Pieters.
As I posted earlier, it's the fact that Pieters delivers the ball into the box earlier and quicker that has resulted in assists, whereas Taylor generally prefers to get to the corner before crossing, by which time the defence are well set-up to cut it out. Additionally, he needs to improve his delivery.
He's a very good footballer, but a "work in progress".
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Re: Erik Pieters
Charlie Taylor was tried n front of Ward if I remember rightly and it didn't create many waves.
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Re: Erik Pieters
This exactly IMO.Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:18 pmJust so you understand I am not saying that I think that Pieters should be in ahead of Taylor, just that this season there doesn’t seem to be a lot in it. So there is no need to rubbish Pieters to strengthen the case for Taylor. They are both Burnley.
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Re: Erik Pieters
The point was about Taylor and Mcneil and I supplied you evidence that Mcneil's best performances have come with Taylor behind him.Hibsclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:18 pmWhat was the point again? It’s funny how that gets lost when you have evidence to prove that you are talking nonsense
Was Pieters here last season when Dwight was doing very well?
Your evidence just shows that he isn't always good when Taylor is behind him, which I have never disputed, but you seem unable to comprehend.
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Re: Erik Pieters
As for joey13 saying that, ‘’anyone who thinks Pieters is better than Taylor clearly knows nothing about football, it’s not even up for debate’’ seems quite ironic really. Guess joey13 can’t make another comment on the subject really. Kind of excluded himself, if it’s not even up for debate.
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Re: Erik Pieters
FWIW I don't dislike Pieters, I think he can do a job for us, I just think Charlie is a better all round player.
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Re: Erik Pieters
That’s a bit better.