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Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Chip Harrison » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:25 pm

What do you think?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Spike » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:26 pm

their New Potatoes are nice!
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by KateR » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:27 pm

Why?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Blackrod » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:27 pm

No why ?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Blackrod » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:29 pm

Do you mean Northern Cyprus because of the Turkish occupation ?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Buxtonclaret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:34 pm

Wait and see what VAR thinks?
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:35 pm

yes we should.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Hopey1786 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:35 pm

Not after the videos ive seen today doin the rounds...

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:59 pm

No ...

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:01 pm

No and another vote for their spuds

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by houseboy » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:03 pm

What have THEY done now to arouse the wrath of the Bee Hole End gang? And would we have to intern Peter Andre because of his family connections? I honestly can't see them being a threat to world peace.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Spijed » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:29 pm
Do you mean Northern Cyprus because of the Turkish occupation ?
TRNC

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:12 pm

Lovely country Cyprus, lovely people.
Every country has its faults, and its idiots, and if you refused to go to any of them you'd spend your holidays in your back garden.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Goobs » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:22 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:12 pm
Lovely country Cyprus, lovely people.
Every country has its faults, and its idiots, and if you refused to go to any of them you'd spend your holidays in your back garden.
No way, that's home to the biggest idiot of them all.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by burnleymik » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:33 pm

Really tough one. Heard the girls friend on the radio this morning, she was treated awfully. It seems there is plenty of evidence suggesting the court got this one wrong and not only that the way the police and justice system behaved leaves a lot to be desired, at best.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:39 pm

Can’t see Geoffrey moving there

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:41 pm

The 12 teenage boys involved are getting condemned by all and sundry in Israel after being found to be having taken videos of themselves and the girl on their phones according to the press......

I hope this sorry episode acts as a deterrent to youngsters on holidays getting themselves into trouble ... but I very much doubt it.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pm

Let's boycott the States for their refusal to hand over Ann Sacoolas, the woman who killed the young lad, Harry Dunn, near the military base in Northampton
Let's boycott Iran for their imprisonment of Nazanin Zaghan-Ratclffe whose sentence Johnson managed to get increased when trying to help her. Oh, hang on.... :(
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bosscat » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pm

burnleymik wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:33 pm
Really tough one. Heard the girls friend on the radio this morning, she was treated awfully. It seems there is plenty of evidence suggesting the court got this one wrong and not only that the way the police and justice system behaved leaves a lot to be desired, at best.
I know this was Cyprus ... but remember how some of our fans were treated by the police in Athens 18 months ago.... The greek police have form for stuff like this.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:08 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pm
Let's boycott the States for their refusal to hand over Ann Sacoolas, the woman who killed the young lad, Harry Dunn, near the military base in Northampton
Let's boycott Iran for their imprisonment of Nazanin Zaghan-Ratclffe whose sentence Johnson managed to get increased when trying to help her. Oh, hang on.... :(
I’m already boycotting Iran, especially when there’s a funeral.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by IanMcL » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:17 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:12 pm
Lovely country Cyprus, lovely people.
Every country has its faults, and its idiots, and if you refused to go to any of them you'd spend your holidays in your back garden.
I've heard it's a bit dodgy in his back garden! :o
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by ChrisG » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:09 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:43 pm
I know this was Cyprus ... but remember how some of our fans were treated by the police in Athens 18 months ago.... The greek police have form for stuff like this.
What have the Greek police got to do with the Republic of Cyprus?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Banana » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:57 pm

Ive seen a couple of the videos, you' be more likely to be boycotting England

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:09 pm

Yes!

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Hibsclaret » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:40 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:39 pm
Can’t see Geoffrey moving there
I’m sure he could find some lady to practice his forward defensive on.....

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:51 pm

Hopey1786 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:35 pm
Not after the videos ive seen today doin the rounds...
burnleymik wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:33 pm
Really tough one. Heard the girls friend on the radio this morning, she was treated awfully. It seems there is plenty of evidence suggesting the court got this one wrong and not only that the way the police and justice system behaved leaves a lot to be desired, at best.
The court got it right. As people have pointed out, the video evidence released over the last day or two shows her to be lying, it's all consensual.
She should actually be facing a long spell in prison for falsely accusing these guys.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Andreshotboots » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:54 pm

First time I visited last summer and brilliant place, hotel, food, beaches, weather, people all top notch. Will definately return.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:51 pm
The court got it right. As people have pointed out, the video evidence released over the last day or two shows her to be lying, it's all consensual.
She should actually be facing a long spell in prison for falsely accusing these guys.
Which people have pointed out? You have seen new video evidence that wasn’t available during the trial?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:22 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 pm
Which people have pointed out? You have seen new video evidence that wasn’t available during the trial?
Hopey and Banana both pointed it out on this thread.
I don’t know if the video evidence I've seen is different from the video evidence available during the trial, I suspect it's the same which is why she got convicted of lying.
There's no miscarriage of justice, she falsely accused 12 lads of raping her. The videos completely clear them, she was a willing participant.
I imagine she deeply regretted it and wanted to change the narrative after the fact but as anyone who has seen the videos will tell you, it was pretty conclusively consensual on her part.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:23 am

I've not seen any videos, I've read there is one of her having supposed consensual sex with 2-3 men.
This is not evidence of her having consensual sex with all 11 men.

You can remove your consent. Video evidence of consensual sex at one point in time does not mean all sex from then onward is consensual.

If you are using a video of her 'enjoying' sex at one moment in time as evidence that a rape did not take place at a later time you need to reconsider your understanding of rape and consent during sex.

Not to mention the other dozen or so MASSIVE inconsistencies this case includes.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by dsr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:30 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:23 am
I've not seen any videos, I've read there is one of her having supposed consensual sex with 2-3 men.
This is not evidence of her having consensual sex with all 11 men.

You can remove your consent. Video evidence of consensual sex at one point in time does not mean all sex from then onward is consensual.

If you are using a video of her 'enjoying' sex at one moment in time as evidence that a rape did not take place at a later time you need to reconsider your understanding of rape and consent during sex.

Not to mention the other dozen or so MASSIVE inconsistencies this case includes.
One of the inconsistencies is that she did not admit to consensual sex with any of the men, so far as I can gather. If she had consensual sex with two or three and was raped by 8 or 9, but told the police that all 11 had raped her, her evidence is still tainted and can't be trusted to convict anyone with.

No-one comers out of this well. At least some of the 11 men are almost certainly rapists and are certainly horrible pieces of humanity, and the Cypriot government is clearly delving in the muck heap as well with its interference with the process of law. This girl is the one coming out of it worst, which is hardly fair. But she isn't innocent as the day is long, by any means.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:35 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:30 am
One of the inconsistencies is that she did not admit to consensual sex with any of the men, so far as I can gather. If she had consensual sex with two or three and was raped by 8 or 9, but told the police that all 11 had raped her, her evidence is still tainted and can't be trusted to convict anyone with.
3 - Men consensual sex
add
8 men - Removes consent
=
11 men raped her.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:03 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:22 pm
Hopey and Banana both pointed it out on this thread.
I don’t know if the video evidence I've seen is different from the video evidence available during the trial, I suspect it's the same which is why she got convicted of lying.
There's no miscarriage of justice, she falsely accused 12 lads of raping her. The videos completely clear them, she was a willing participant.
I imagine she deeply regretted it and wanted to change the narrative after the fact but as anyone who has seen the videos will tell you, it was pretty conclusively consensual on her part.
You have the advantage as the video is deemed to be child pornography in Cyprus I haven’t seen it, not that I particularly want to watch a video of that description- what site did you watch it on and did it satisfy your “curiosity”?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:50 am

[quote="Burnley Ace" post_id=1180880 time=1578466984 user_id=672, not that I particularly want to watch a video of that description- what site did you watch it on and did it satisfy your “curiosity”?
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:lol: :lol: Just out of interest ....

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Marney&Mee » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:48 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:50 am
[quote="Burnley Ace" post_id=1180880 time=1578466984 user_id=672, not that I particularly want to watch a video of that description- what site did you watch it on and did it satisfy your “curiosity”?
:lol: :lol: Just out of interest ....
[/quote]

For a friend...

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:02 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:03 am
You have the advantage as the video is deemed to be child pornography in Cyprus I haven’t seen it, not that I particularly want to watch a video of that description- what site did you watch it on and did it satisfy your “curiosity”?
Someone whatsapped it to me.
Nobody raped her, she had consensual sex and regretted it so tried to make a false claim which she has rightly been convicted over.
She claims she will take it to the court of European rights which will also find her guilty of lying.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:07 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:03 am
You have the advantage as the video is deemed to be child pornography in Cyprus I haven’t seen it, not that I particularly want to watch a video of that description- what site did you watch it on and did it satisfy your “curiosity”?
I wasn't curious about it, I thought she'd been raped by a load of men as reported.
Unfortunately (for her) the evidence tells another story for which she has rightly been convicted.
She won't be pursueing it any further, the actual truth is that she had consensual sex with a large amount of partners and then lied by saying they'd raped her.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:40 am

The judge said: "The defendant gave police a false rape claim, while having full knowledge that this was a lie.

"There was no rape, or violence, and police had carried out a thorough investigation making all necessary arrests."

Imagine if someone had done that to you or your son?

Or put the shoe on the other foot and imagine a man was making a false claim against your daughter?

Rape is an evil and inexcusable crime but so is falsely accusing people of it to cover up your own mistakes/ill-considered choices which is clearly what happened regardles of how the people on the girl's side are trying to spin it to salvage her reputation.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Hopey1786 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:22 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:51 pm
The court got it right. As people have pointed out, the video evidence released over the last day or two shows her to be lying, it's all consensual.
She should actually be facing a long spell in prison for falsely accusing these guys.
Correct

Its a disgusting crime
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:39 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:40 am
The judge said: "The defendant gave police a false rape claim, while having full knowledge that this was a lie.

"There was no rape, or violence, and police had carried out a thorough investigation making all necessary arrests."

Imagine if someone had done that to you or your son?
You're citing the Judge in this?! No violence?

35 bruises on her legs, arms and buttocks – as well as marks on her eyes and knees – were compiled into a diagram and shown in court by an expert who has seen pictures her body, according to the Mail on Sunday.
Any additional bruising on her torso was missing from the evidence because police did not take pictures of her without her top on. Pathologist Marios Matsakis, an expert witness for the woman’s defence, criticised the omission and told The Mail on Sunday: ‘I have no doubts that violence was exercised on the body.’
He added that the data from the diagram ‘is related to rape’

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:55 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:07 am
I wasn't curious about it, I thought she'd been raped by a load of men as reported.
Unfortunately (for her) the evidence tells another story for which she has rightly been convicted.
She won't be pursueing it any further, the actual truth is that she had consensual sex with a large amount of partners and then lied by saying they'd raped her.
That's not THE evidence, it's SOME evidence and as I stated; Video of consensual sex at one point in time does not mean rape did not occur at a later one.
Some of the men lied too, denying any involvement until DNA evidence was presented, they then did a 360 and said they did have sex but it was consensual.
One man had his girlfriend produce false evidence of an alibi for not being there at the time.

Given all the questions in this story, a coerced retraction after 8 hours in police custody without a lawyer or translator. None of the men being called to give evidence etc
But you are happy to point the finger at the woman in this case and state with absolute certainty she made everything up as is 100% in the wrong, that worries me.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:46 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:55 am
That's not THE evidence, it's SOME evidence and as I stated; Video of consensual sex at one point in time does not mean rape did not occur at a later one.
Some of the men lied too, denying any involvement until DNA evidence was presented, they then did a 360 and said they did have sex but it was consensual.
One man had his girlfriend produce false evidence of an alibi for not being there at the time.

Given all the questions in this story, a coerced retraction after 8 hours in police custody without a lawyer or translator. None of the men being called to give evidence etc
But you are happy to point the finger at the woman in this case and state with absolute certainty she made everything up as is 100% in the wrong, that worries me.
I'm not happy to point the finger at her but that's how it is.
Watch where it goes now, nowhere.
The decision in the High Court in London would be the same, she falsely accused them of rape, there's no ambiguity in the evidence, she is a more than willing paticipant.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:35 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:46 pm
I'm not happy to point the finger at her but that's how it is.
Watch where it goes now, nowhere.
The decision in the High Court in London would be the same, she falsely accused them of rape, there's no ambiguity in the evidence, she is a more than willing paticipant.
You seem insistent yet you (like the Judge) seem to ignore the evidence and rely on a video. As I said before it’s classed as child pornography so I haven’t vowed it, you have so why do you think she agreed to have sex with 12 people?

Does she agree to this on video or is it that she isn’t fighting them off that makes you think she consented?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:39 pm

The lads are lucky they haven't been done for making indecent videos without consent.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:48 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:35 pm
You seem insistent yet you (like the Judge) seem to ignore the evidence and rely on a video. As I said before it’s classed as child pornography so I haven’t vowed it, you have so why do you think she agreed to have sex with 12 people?

Does she agree to this on video or is it that she isn’t fighting them off that makes you think she consented?
Both and more.
As I keep saying, the video is entirely conclusive, she acts like you would expect a porn star in a video of consensual sex between a girl and twelve boys, to say she does all the "heavy lifting" is no exaggeration.
Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative but it's the truth.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:56 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:39 pm
The lads are lucky they haven't been done for making indecent videos without consent.
They are lucky they did make the videos or they would be falsely accused of rape with no evidence to back up the fact it was entirely consensual.
There's no court in any land would come to a different conclusion, the only crime that has been committed is a false accusation of rape.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:58 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:48 pm
Both and more.
As I keep saying, the video is entirely conclusive, she acts like you would expect a porn star in a video of consensual sex between a girl and twelve boys, to say she does all the "heavy lifting" is no exaggeration.
Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative but it's the truth.

Porn culture dictates that If a woman consents to one sexual act, all future acts are therefor consensual, even if she says no :roll: :roll:

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:04 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:39 am
You're citing the Judge in this?!
Yes, the Judge who heard the case from the point of view of the prosecution and the defense, considered the evidence and then convicted her of fabricating a rape claim.

Who are you citing?

If she appeals it it will be upheld, if she takes it to the European Court it will be upheld.

She should really be spending a long time in prison for trying to ruin innocent young lives but whatever, you can ignore it but the turth is actually out, she won't be taking it any further.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:07 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:58 pm
Porn culture dictates that If a woman consents to one sexual act, all future acts are therefor consensual, even if she says no :roll: :roll:
Who said that? If you want to argue like an idiot with non-sequiters then I'll add you to my ignore list, don't put words in my mouth to justify your ignorance.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:10 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:48 pm
Both and more.
As I keep saying, the video is entirely conclusive, she acts like you would expect a porn star in a video of consensual sex between a girl and twelve boys, to say she does all the "heavy lifting" is no exaggeration.
Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative but it's the truth.
So you are basing your opinion on your (presumably extensive) knowledge of porn videos? I have never seen a video were a girl agrees to have sex with 12 partners

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