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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:51 am

Also, since we’ve not seen her face in the UK press. How are you sure it’s her and how are you sure it’s on the date in question and shows the whole act?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:23 am

I notice she was posing for pictures yesterday for the Sun with her passport /mum/suitcases etc etc and interestingly slightly less pixelated face. Though naturally if the Sun are offering her big bucks for her story it may compromise the legal side of things.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:00 am

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:35 am
Nah, her “confession” is what led to the boys going home to Israel and it clearly wasn’t written by her but you’ve enjoyed watching the apparent video so it’s all good right.
Why do you try and put words into people's mouth on a message board where it is clear what has been said and not said because it's actually written down for all to see?

Do you expect anyone to see you as credible and capable of having a serious discussion if you keep showing your complete lack of awareness in such a fashion?

NOBODY said they enjoyed it.

NOBODY said the video is titilating.


What people are saying is this, the video shows, with absolute certainty that there is no rape.
The video also shows with absolute certainty that any allegation of a rape by ANYONE involved would be a lie.
It's a smoking gun, it's irrefutable proof, no matter what you believe before you watch it, it completely destroys her version of what happened, it exposes it as a lie.
It is literally like trying to prove that we actually beat Aston Villa 2-1 in the last game, not the other way round.
It's like me saying I've been framed for murder and then presenting the police with a video of me shooting someone in the head as evidence that I didn't do it.

Reading back over the thread and not trying to put words into people's mouth you can clearly see there are two sets of people, the ones who haven't seen it and are merely speculating on which version of events took place and those who have seen the video and reached the inescapable conclusion, within the first second or two that SHE is the guilty one, not them.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:23 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:00 am
Why do you try and put words into people's mouth on a message board where it is clear what has been said and not said because it's actually written down for all to see?

Do you expect anyone to see you as credible and capable of having a serious discussion if you keep showing your complete lack of awareness in such a fashion?

NOBODY said they enjoyed it.

NOBODY said the video is titilating.


What people are saying is this, the video shows, with absolute certainty that there is no rape.
The video also shows with absolute certainty that any allegation of a rape by ANYONE involved would be a lie.
It's a smoking gun, it's irrefutable proof, no matter what you believe before you watch it, it completely destroys her version of what happened, it exposes it as a lie.
It is literally like trying to prove that we actually beat Aston Villa 2-1 in the last game, not the other way round.
It's like me saying I've been framed for murder and then presenting the police with a video of me shooting someone in the head as evidence that I didn't do it.

Reading back over the thread and not trying to put words into people's mouth you can clearly see there are two sets of people, the ones who haven't seen it and are merely speculating on which version of events took place and those who have seen the video and reached the inescapable conclusion, within the first second or two that SHE is the guilty one, not them.
Okay, I'll ignore the bits where you're all angry and shouty and banging on about capability and credibility, when I doubt many people will think you've shown either yourself, and just go with the key questions.

This video:

1) how do you know it is of the date in question, and shows the full sequence of events?
2) how do you know it is of her? (I've not seen her face published anywhere)

The answers to those two questions will then have to outweigh the evidence that:
1) she wasn't allowed legal representation while questioned by the police for 8 hours, completely unrecorded
2) she signed a retraction that clearly was not written by her, again without any legal representation present
3) expert evidence that she had 34 bruises consistent with being raped
4) the judge did not allow the defence to call their witnesses, or present significant pieces of evidence
5) the judge has a track record in cases involving violence against women.

It is a fact that she could withdraw consent at any time, so unless the video shows the whole event - it is not definitive evidence it happened.

There's then the fact that whether it was rape or not, if these videos were made and released on the internet without her consent then a crime was also committed there.

I'm sure that if this was your daughter, your tone would be significantly different.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by harryharryharry » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:58 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:23 am

1) she wasn't allowed legal representation while questioned by the police for 8 hours, completely unrecorded
2) she signed a retraction that clearly was not written by her, again without any legal representation present
The lack of translator alone (although the Cypriots will speak decent English) is indicative of some issues with an approach to policing. I've just had to deal with a much more trivial issue with a police force abroad. They wouldn't do any of the formalities until a translator had come. The translator didn't really add anything but that's the law.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:20 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:23 am


I'm sure that if this was your daughter, your tone would be significantly different.
Unfortunately, and you don't sem to be able to grasp this fundamental point, even if it was my daughter I would be forced to come to the same unavoidable conclusion, she had consensual sex with a group of lads, the only crime committed was lying about it.

Out of everyone in the world who has seen the video and all the people who are in it, the person enjoying it the most is HER.

Fortunately, the news cycle moves fast and so she only has a short period of time to ditch the first story and follow a different path, I imagine you'll be proved wrong sometime in the middle of next week when she, at the behest of The Sun, drops the wronged victim bullshit and they shift the focus onto what a "naughty" girl she's been.
AlargeClaret wrote:
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I notice she was posing for pictures yesterday for the Sun with her passport /mum/suitcases etc etc and interestingly slightly less pixelated face. Though naturally if the Sun are offering her big bucks for her story it may compromise the legal side of things.
Ooh! Didn't take long.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:25 pm

harryharryharry wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:58 pm
The lack of translator alone (although the Cypriots will speak decent English) is indicative of some issues with an approach to policing. I've just had to deal with a much more trivial issue with a police force abroad. They wouldn't do any of the formalities until a translator had come. The translator didn't really add anything but that's the law.
I wouldn't have bothered either, a few seconds of the video and I'd be saying "let them go and bang her up for lying."

It's the same in any language.

I get called one of the sandal wearing leftie/liberals on here but if I were the Judge in this case I'd give her the same spell in prison as she tried to inflict on those poor innocent lads.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:25 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:20 pm
Unfortunately, and you don't sem to be able to grasp this fundamental point, even if it was my daughter I would be forced to come to the same unavoidable conclusion, she had consensual sex with a group of lads, the only crime committed was lying about it.

Out of everyone in the world who has seen the video and all the people who are in it, the person enjoying it the most is HER.
So that's a no to "Are you able to confirm it's her?" and "Are you able to confirm it shows the whole event?" then.

Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to grasp the fundamental point that just saying "I've seen a video that is apparently her having sex" is pretty weak evidence of your point. Even if she is enjoying it more than anyone in the video you have seen, she still could have been raped after that video stopped but you seem to be reluctant to share details about how you know that isn't the case.

Maybe it's your tiny T-Rex cerebrum to blame though ;)

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Colburn_Claret » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:35 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:25 pm
So that's a no to "Are you able to confirm it's her?" and "Are you able to confirm it shows the whole event?" then.

Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to grasp the fundamental point that just saying "I've seen a video that is apparently her having sex" is pretty weak evidence of your point. Even if she is enjoying it more than anyone in the video you have seen, she still could have been raped after that video stopped but you seem to be reluctant to share details about how you know that isn't the case.

Maybe it's your tiny T-Rex cerebrum to blame though ;)
I don't like to jump into someone else argument, but bloody hell.
Are you able to confirm it isn't her?
We get that you don't like rapists, we are all on the same page here, we don't either, so why are you so determined that she is proved the victim, despite the court case and outcome. What makes you so sure that in fact the ruling was incorrect, and she hadn't fabricated the accusations. Why is it all so personal.
If you've had a bad experience, or know someone who has, then please, I don't want to open wounds for you or anyone, so please ignore a reply, but you seem incapable of accepting that it is even remotely possible that she was lying.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:38 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:35 pm
I don't like to jump into someone else argument, but bloody hell.
Are you able to confirm it isn't her?
We get that you don't like rapists, we are all on the same page here, we don't either, so why are you so determined that she is proved the victim, despite the court case and outcome. What makes you so sure that in fact the ruling was incorrect, and she hadn't fabricated the accusations. Why is it all so personal.
If you've had a bad experience, or know someone who has, then please, I don't want to open wounds for you or anyone, so please ignore a reply, but you seem incapable of accepting that it is even remotely possible that she was lying.
I've not seen it, so I can't confirm either way. I've also never seen her, so even if I had I couldn't confirm either way.

There's a massive stack of evidence that was ignored in the trial. I'm not even saying she definitely was raped. I'm saying how can this be seen as a fair trial?

I'm not incapable of accepting it is possible she was lying, and I don't know where I've said that isn't a possibility. People on this board seem to have a pretty poor grasp of the meaning of the word 'incapable'.

Edit: I also, frankly, find t-rex's attitude towards her disgusting, which may be fuelling my response more. He is almost gleeful that he's seen a video that in his opinion proves beyond all doubt she could have been raped and was in fact loving every minute despite being unable to confirm it is even authentic.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:45 pm

I have to say "poor innocent lad"' is a bit extreme, T-Rex.

One of them uploaded videos of this girl to social media and porn sites. Rape case aside, they should be prosecuted for any revenge porn laws which are applicable, assuming Cyprus has any.

on the point regarding the authenticity of the video, Deano, her lawyer acknowledged the presence of videos being circulated in the public domain. As such, it's highly likely this is the video T-rex has seen. Google "a much more serious offence" if you wish to find details of this.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by AlargeClaret » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:28 pm

The woman's solicitor was discussing "revenge porn" ages ago after the footage emerged and in light of that the guys were released. The case became on of "consensual sex" in the eyes of the Cypriots. Though bearing in mind the best chance most Cypriots/Isrealies have of getting laid is by "helping thmeselves" to a drunken british tart quite possibly explains their views.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:45 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:25 pm
So that's a no to "Are you able to confirm it's her?" and "Are you able to confirm it shows the whole event?" then.

Unfortunately you don't seem to be able to grasp the fundamental point that just saying "I've seen a video that is apparently her having sex" is pretty weak evidence of your point. Even if she is enjoying it more than anyone in the video you have seen, she still could have been raped after that video stopped but you seem to be reluctant to share details about how you know that isn't the case.

Maybe it's your tiny T-Rex cerebrum to blame though ;)
Again, putting words into people's mouth. Yes, I can confirm it's her in the video, she hasn't been publicly indentified but her "boyfriend" has and it's him, and her and all his friends.
Have you seen it yet? It CONFIRMS HER GUILT!

It's as simple as that.

My tiny T-Rex cerebrum has a degree in Architecture, two best selling books on Amazon, a Moonbeam Award, an IPPY Award and countless Readers' Favorite Awards, what's yours in?

You are the only one left on here flogging this dead horse mate, everyone else has seen the video and gone "Whoops, she's as guilty as sin."
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:46 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:45 pm
I have to say "poor innocent lad"' is a bit extreme, T-Rex.

One of them uploaded videos of this girl to social media and porn sites. Rape case aside, they should be prosecuted for any revenge porn laws which are applicable, assuming Cyprus has any.

on the point regarding the authenticity of the video, Deano, her lawyer acknowledged the presence of videos being circulated in the public domain. As such, it's highly likely this is the video T-rex has seen. Google "a much more serious offence" if you wish to find details of this.
It was whatsapped to me, I believe it's doing the rounds on there.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:49 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:38 pm
I've not seen it, so I can't confirm either way. I've also never seen her, so even if I had I couldn't confirm either way.

There's a massive stack of evidence that was ignored in the trial. I'm not even saying she definitely was raped. I'm saying how can this be seen as a fair trial?

I'm not incapable of accepting it is possible she was lying, and I don't know where I've said that isn't a possibility. People on this board seem to have a pretty poor grasp of the meaning of the word 'incapable'.

Edit: I also, frankly, find t-rex's attitude towards her disgusting, which may be fuelling my response more. He is almost gleeful that he's seen a video that in his opinion proves beyond all doubt she could have been raped and was in fact loving every minute despite being unable to confirm it is even authentic.
YET AGAIN, I am not gleeful, I believed her before the evidence emerged.

YET AGAIN, it isn't just my opinion that it proves beyond all doubt she wasn't raped, it's ANYONE who has seen it.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:53 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:45 pm
Again, putting words into people's mouth. Yes, I can confirm it's her in the video, she hasn't ben publicly indentified but her "boyfriend" has and it's him, and her and all his friends.
Have you seen it yet? It CONFIRMS HER GUILT!

It's as simple as that.

My tiny T-Rex cerebrum has a degree in Architecture, two best selling books on Amazon, a Moonbeam Award, an IPPY Award and countless Readers' Favorite Awards, what's yours in?

You are the only one left on here flogging this dead horse mate, everyone else has seen the video and gone "Whoops, she's as guilty as sin."
No, I haven’t seen it. As I keep saying. Can you confirm it shows the whole evening? Can you confirm it was recorded on the date of the allegations?

All these awards, and a degree yet you can’t detect a joke even when it ends with a wink.

My degree? It’s not in law or humanities so I don’t think it’s of any relevance to a debate about what a sham this trial was.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:56 pm

Darthlaw wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:45 pm
I have to say "poor innocent lad"' is a bit extreme, T-Rex.

One of them uploaded videos of this girl to social media and porn sites. Rape case aside, they should be prosecuted for any revenge porn laws which are applicable, assuming Cyprus has any.

on the point regarding the authenticity of the video, Deano, her lawyer acknowledged the presence of videos being circulated in the public domain. As such, it's highly likely this is the video T-rex has seen. Google "a much more serious offence" if you wish to find details of this.
I’ve only just seen you edited (I think) and added in that last paragraph. I will google that. Thanks.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:15 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:53 pm
No, I haven’t seen it. As I keep saying. Can you confirm it shows the whole evening? Can you confirm it was recorded on the date of the allegations?

All these awards, and a degree yet you can’t detect a joke even when it ends with a wink.

My degree? It’s not in law or humanities so I don’t think it’s of any relevance to a debate about what a sham this trial was.
Yes I can, we all can, your argument has fallen completely apart, just like her fake rape accusation.
Sorry if your sensibilities don't stretch to considering that some holier-than-thou British girl might be lying but not only is she as guilty as hell she's also been rightly convicted for it.
No court in any land would come to any other conclusion, as EVERYBODY WHO HAS SEEN THE EVIDENCE keeps pointing out to you.
The only question that remains is who gives it up first, you or her.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bosscat » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:16 pm


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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:52 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:15 pm
Yes I can, we all can, your argument has fallen completely apart, just like her fake rape accusation.
Sorry if your sensibilities don't stretch to considering that some holier-than-thou British girl might be lying but not only is she as guilty as hell she's also been rightly convicted for it.
No court in any land would come to any other conclusion, as EVERYBODY WHO HAS SEEN THE EVIDENCE keeps pointing out to you.
The only question that remains is who gives it up first, you or her.
I haven't said that she couldn't possibly be lying, I've said it wasn't a fair trial. I don't see how anyone can think it was a fair trial. The fact their leader was ready to pardon her says as much. There was a lot of evidence that wasn't taken into account, after that if she's still guilty then so be it. It won't affect me. So, no I don't believe my argument has fallen apart.

I am glad though that after being asked 3/4/5 times you've eventually answered my questions about the evidence you have seen, that I haven't.

This putting stuff in BOLD CAPITALS is really weird.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by thatdberight » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:39 am

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:52 pm
I haven't said that she couldn't possibly be lying, I've said it wasn't a fair trial. I don't see how anyone can think it was a fair trial. The fact their leader was ready to pardon her says as much. There was a lot of evidence that wasn't taken into account, after that if she's still guilty then so be it. It won't affect me. So, no I don't believe my argument has fallen apart.

I am glad though that after being asked 3/4/5 times you've eventually answered my questions about the evidence you have seen, that I haven't.

This putting stuff in BOLD CAPITALS is really weird.
Now you're not being consistent. The Cypriots are accused of bowing to political pressure from Israel in releasing the accused men. But when the Cypriots are "ready to pardon" her, that's because she was innocent.

You are right in this argument, but there's no need to go too far. In trying to argue with those who are taking a very strange view on this on the basis of what can only be a part of the evidence, it's tempting to go down that route.

I can believe anything from "she made it up" to "a significant number of them raped her". Because I don't know anything about the detail. In addition to the video (which as you keep pointing out to no avail may not be the whole of the incident), there are 13 statements (and retractions), forensics, medical examinations. I'm just going to go with respecting the Cypriot legal system at the same time as having some doubts about it. Same as for cases here and everywhere else.

I'll leave people who are defending the "lads" (I think that choice of word is revealing) and suggesting that some rapes only need a fine to let their own views speak for themselves.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:27 am

deanothedino wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:52 pm
I haven't said that she couldn't possibly be lying, I've said it wasn't a fair trial. I don't see how anyone can think it was a fair trial. The fact their leader was ready to pardon her says as much. There was a lot of evidence that wasn't taken into account, after that if she's still guilty then so be it. It won't affect me. So, no I don't believe my argument has fallen apart.

I am glad though that after being asked 3/4/5 times you've eventually answered my questions about the evidence you have seen, that I haven't.

This putting stuff in BOLD CAPITALS is really weird.
Oh no, I'm so sorry I was late answering your question but you know, all the other **** I do sometimes gets in the way of me being at your beck and call on a football message board.

Talking about a message board why are you so incapable of trusting the opinion of others on here? You want an echo chamber mate not a message board where people try, over and over again to explain to you what is really behind the narrative being pushed out by the incorrect side of the argument.

So you want a full trial do you when someone is falsely accused of rape? How damaging do you think that would be to her and her victims?

If I walk into the police station this morning and say you shot my dog would you expect it to go to a full trial? No, because it's bullshit, just like her fake rape claims.

Please though, keep going, like I say, I'm intrigued to see who drops it first, you or her.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:53 am

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:39 am
Now you're not being consistent. The Cypriots are accused of bowing to political pressure from Israel in releasing the accused men. But when the Cypriots are "ready to pardon" her, that's because she was innocent.

You are right in this argument, but there's no need to go too far. In trying to argue with those who are taking a very strange view on this on the basis of what can only be a part of the evidence, it's tempting to go down that route.

I can believe anything from "she made it up" to "a significant number of them raped her". Because I don't know anything about the detail. In addition to the video (which as you keep pointing out to no avail may not be the whole of the incident), there are 13 statements (and retractions), forensics, medical examinations. I'm just going to go with respecting the Cypriot legal system at the same time as having some doubts about it. Same as for cases here and everywhere else.

I'll leave people who are defending the "lads" (I think that choice of word is revealing) and suggesting that some rapes only need a fine to let their own views speak for themselves.
Good god man this is no place for a balanced sensible deduction of the available facts ,it’s a place for knee jerk reactions and hysteria .

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:24 am

This video or videos that are going about. They must have been realised by the lads in question.
How would you know if it started out consensual and then turned sinister later?
If you were releasing videos of it you wouldn’t put the later part out would you?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:12 am

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:39 am
Now you're not being consistent. The Cypriots are accused of bowing to political pressure from Israel in releasing the accused men. But when the Cypriots are "ready to pardon" her, that's because she was innocent.
I don't think you've read my posts correctly if you think I'm being inconsistent. I've never said Cyprus has been under pressure from Israel. I also never said Cyprus pardoning her is because she's innocent - I said it's because it wasn't a fair trial.

The rest of your post is spot on though.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 am

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Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:27 am
Oh no, I'm so sorry I was late answering your question but you know, all the other **** I do sometimes gets in the way of me being at your beck and call on a football message board.

Talking about a message board why are you so incapable of trusting the opinion of others on here? You want an echo chamber mate not a message board where people try, over and over again to explain to you what is really behind the narrative being pushed out by the incorrect side of the argument.
Ah, it so gets in the way that you could quote the questions repeatedly in long posts without answering them.

No, I don't want an echo chamber or I wouldn't ask questions. You'd seen something that I hadn't and I wanted to understand why it made you so adamant. The problem with what you say there is you never explained it. Saying "THOSE WHO'VE SEEN THE VIDEO" over and over isn't actually explaining anything.
If I walk into the police station this morning and say you shot my dog would you expect it to go to a full trial? No, because it's bullshit, just like her fake rape claims.
This isn't even comparable to what happened unless you have an expert witness with evidence of the gunshot wounds to your dog. :lol:

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:32 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:24 am
This video or videos that are going about. They must have been realised by the lads in question.
How would you know if it started out consensual and then turned sinister later?
If you were releasing videos of it you wouldn’t put the later part out would you?
I'm sure the police saw the whole thing and I'm sorry to have to keep going over the same ground but they are basically lying there while she romps all over them.

She claimed she was pinned down and raped but the only person pinning anyone down is her.

The boys in question would have a stronger case that she actually raped them but yep, British girl in Ayia Napa = Snow White, foreign men = rapists.

If that isn't consensual sex then there has never been consensual sex in the history of sex.

The evidence is so clear cut that not only were her rape claims dismissed as a frabrication she was also convicted of making a false claim but obviously that must mean that the Cypriot police are blind and stupid, the judge is blind and stupid etc etc etc

She got off lightly, in the UK it would be classed as either Perverting the Course of Justice or Wasting Police Time.

You'll also find that given the same amount of evidence, the same complaint in the UK would also result in no arrests and no rape trial but, just like in Cyprus she would be tried and convicted for either of the offences above.

It's a flase rape claim, you get them here too and they are dealt with in the same way, probably with much less evidence.

And, if I was one of the people accused I would be sueing her for damages.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:37 am

deanothedino wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 am
Ah, it so gets in the way that you could quote the questions repeatedly in long posts without answering them.

No, I don't want an echo chamber or I wouldn't ask questions. You'd seen something that I hadn't and I wanted to understand why it made you so adamant. The problem with what you say there is you never explained it. Saying "THOSE WHO'VE SEEN THE VIDEO" over and over isn't actually explaining anything.



This isn't even comparable to what happened unless you have an expert witness with evidence of the gunshot wounds to your dog. :lol:
You want me to explain what she does in the video?

read back over the thread...

"she was entirely consensual and actually instigating the acts."

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Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:46 am

Some of the videos were actually recorded by her.

You do know that don't you?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:50 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:32 am
I'm sure the police saw the whole thing and I'm sorry to have to keep going over the same ground but they are basically lying there while she romps all over them.

She claimed she was pinned down and raped but the only person pinning anyone down is her.

The boys in question would have a stronger case that she actually raped them but yep, British girl in Ayia Napa = Snow White, foreign men = rapists.

If that isn't consensual sex then there has never been consensual sex in the history of sex.

The evidence is so clear cut that not only were her rape claims dismissed as a frabrication she was also convicted of making a false claim but obviously that must mean that the Cypriot police are blind and stupid, the judge is blind and stupid etc etc etc

She got off lightly, in the UK it would be classed as either Perverting the Course of Justice or Wasting Police Time.

You'll also find that given the same amount of evidence, the same complaint in the UK would also result in no arrests and no rape trial but, just like in Cyprus she would be tried and convicted for either of the offences above.

It's a flase rape claim, you get them here too and they are dealt with in the same way, probably with much less evidence.

And, if I was one of the people accused I would be sueing her for damages.
Presumably that’s in the bits in the video but like I said, how do we know something didn’t happen when it wasn’t being filmed or on a video that those lads didnt release to the public?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:56 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:24 am
This video or videos that are going about. They must have been realised by the lads in question.
How would you know if it started out consensual and then turned sinister later?
If you were releasing videos of it you wouldn’t put the later part out would you?
Some of them were taken by her, with her positioning the camera to get better shots of her being penetrated.

If it were a pornographic film she'd be the star, writer and director.

I didn't want to have to go into detail but there you are, as I keep trying to spell out to you all, it is 100% unambiguous.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:00 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:50 am
Presumably that’s in the bits in the video but like I said, how do we know something didn’t happen when it wasn’t being filmed or on a video that those lads didnt release to the public?
That's your argument? That because anything could have happened when there was no evidence to support it then that in itself supports it?

Also, SHE FILMED IT!

How could the lads release her videos from her phone?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:08 am

I’m not making a judgment either way.

I’m just questioning how you can be sure she wasn’t raped judging on a video. Is it completely inconceivable that when the camera was put down something else happened?

Edit - or is the girl specifically saying she’s being raped on that video?
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Post by deanothedino » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:13 am

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:37 am
You want me to explain what she does in the video?

read back over the thread...

"she was entirely consensual and actually instigating the acts."
No, I wanted you to answer the questions - which you eventually did.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:49 am

deanothedino wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:13 am
No, I wanted you to answer the questions - which you eventually did.
Here are the answers to any questions about the matter.

Was it rape? No.

Was it a false accusation of rape? Yes.

Should the boys be prosecuted for revenge porn if they leaked the videos? Yes, possibly, I don't know if it's a crime, if it is, prosecute them.

Should the boys be prosecuted for filming without permission? I don't know if that's a crime either but if it is and it doesn't hurt the case that she also filmed it, then yes.

All the evidence supports the claim that she and them made a group sex amateur porn video with her as the "star", she later came to regret this and so reported to the police that she was raped. after viewing the videos on their and her phones the police decided to prosecute her for making a false claim.

Cypriot law is basically a copy and paste version of UK law, there is no way any court in any country would pursue a rape claim against these boys, in fact I would suggest that holding them longer than necessary in the face of such overwhelming evidence would probably open the police up to accusations of false arrest, false imprisonment etc.
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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:40 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:49 am
Here are the answers to any questions about the matter.

Was it rape? No.

Was it a false accusation of rape? Yes.

Should the boys be prosecuted for revenge porn if they leaked the videos? Yes, possibly, I don't know if it's a crime, if it is, prosecute them.

Should the boys be prosecuted for filming without permission? I don't know if that's a crime either but if it is and it doesn't hurt the case that she also filmed it, then yes.

All the evidence supports the claim that she and them made a group sex amatuer porn video with her as the "star", she later came to regret this and so reported to the police that she was raped. after viewing the videos on their and her phones the police decided to prosecute her for making a false claim.

Cypriot law is basically a copy and paste version of UK law, there is no way any court in any country would pursue a rape claim against these boys, in fact I would suggest that holding them longer than necessary in the face of such overwhelming evidence would probably open the police up to accusations of false arrest, false imprisonment etc.
Now you’re just ranting into your own echo chamber :lol:

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:49 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:40 pm
Now you’re just ranting into your own echo chamber :lol:
And here's me thinking you wanted me to answer your questions.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by deanothedino » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:21 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:49 pm
And here's me thinking you wanted me to answer your questions.
You already had. It says that in the post you quoted. Keep up :D

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by MT03ALG » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:31 pm

Is it possible the girl was lying but because she is British, the media assume she is telling the truth ?

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:39 pm

MT03ALG wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:31 pm
Is it possible the girl was lying but because she is British, the media assume she is telling the truth ?
You might be on to something there you know.

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Re: Should We Boycott Cyprus

Post by Pstotto » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:35 pm

Lurid stories in the press are probably good for tourism, though I doubt the Inbetweeners will be visiting Rwanda just yet.
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