Dyche Speaks Out NW tonight
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pm
On shorty says if results dont improve hes not fireproof from the sack
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Clairvoyant?Longside4evr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:17 pmOn shorty says if results dont improve hes not fireproof from the sack
We should all celebrate the most sensible post on here for weeks.JohnMac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:19 pmI really am more than content to appreciate the miracle of Burnley playing in the Premier League whilst it lasts. Opening the proverbial chequebook at the expense of the future isn't a gamble I would take were I a Director.
Leeds, Middlesboro, Sheff Wed, West Brom, Stoke, Derby, Forest and Birmingham (plus others) are all cubs that had bigger infastructure than us yet they look on with envy .
It won't last forever, that would require a takeover or addition of a huge investor. I'm as upset as anyone else when we don't pick up points but I'll enjoy the ride without fantascising of us being a Top 12 Club.
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Quite so.bodge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:28 pmDyche should only be under pressure to keep us in this league, he's already produced miracles in doing so over the last few seasons.
People wanting aesthetically pleasing football under our budget are going to be disappointed, that's the reality.
He's allowed us to close the gap by playing in a way that makes other teams uncomfortable with our style and if our fans don't get it by now i'm not sure they ever will. He's told us enough times.
It's incredible what he's done for our club.
You're right of course, but if we want full backs and centre backs who Pope can pass it off to and who won't panic, who then play it up to a guy close to the centre circle who holds it up and lays it off and then that player brings the winger into play and the winger skips past one man and plays an incisive pass into the feet of a number 10 who is just outside the opposition box and he holds the ball tight to his feet despite the pressure from all sides and then slips a slide rule through ball into the striker.......we're going to have to pay for it......and it doesn't come cheap!!!box_of_frogs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:24 amWe’ll never be Barca or City or Liverpool. But that consistently appalling style of hoof all is the worst thing. How many times have we passed it back to Pope to then see a long hoof upfield when we started with a throw in 30 yards from their goal?
With that attitude he could probably get a place on the board.Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:03 pmWe should all celebrate the most sensible post on here for weeks.
Can JohnMac be given some sort of gold status?
How lucky then that we're one of the most valuable clubs on the planet. There can't be many out there that have 50 million quids worth of talent sat on their bench every week.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:47 amYou're right of course, but if we want full backs and centre backs who Pope can pass it off to and who won't panic, who then play it up to a guy close to the centre circle who holds it up and lays it off and then that player brings the winger into play and the winger skips past one man and plays an incisive pass into the feet of a number 10 who is just outside the opposition box and he holds the ball tight to his feet despite the pressure from all sides and then slips a slide rule through ball into the striker.......we're going to have to pay for it......and it doesn't come cheap!!!
Err... have a look at 90% of the benches in the premier league, ours will still be one if the least valuable.
Without doing that, I’m not sure Dyche will ever attract the bigger suitors his talents probably deserve. He’s a great manager but without showing / allowing a little more football, he won’t be much more than another Pulis.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:15 amJust because we aren’t as wealthy as other clubs doesn’t mean we have to suck the life and joy out of everything.
Other teams manage to pass a ball and survive in this league without spunking billions.
For some reason a large contingent of Burnley fans have bought the rhetoric that Sean’s way is the only way. It’s not.
Indeed it will. Yet if you look at pretty much any other professional football club in the world, 90% of their benches will be less valuable.Burnleyareback2 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:36 amErr... have a look at 90% of the benches in the premier league, ours will still be one if the least valuable.
St. JohnMac
Yet again someone talking extreme scenarios. Of course the chequebook should be, or more accurately have been, opened last window.JohnMac wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:19 pmI really am more than content to appreciate the miracle of Burnley playing in the Premier League whilst it lasts. Opening the proverbial chequebook at the expense of the future isn't a gamble I would take were I a Director.
Leeds, Middlesboro, Sheff Wed, West Brom, Stoke, Derby, Forest and Birmingham (plus others) are all cubs that had bigger infastructure than us yet they look on with envy .
It won't last forever, that would require a takeover or addition of a huge investor. I'm as upset as anyone else when we don't pick up points but I'll enjoy the ride without fantascising of us being a Top 12 Club.
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I agree in that I definitely think there was a massive (conscious) gamble not to spend big (in our terms) over the summer because the club believed that this squad was pretty much good enough to stave off any threat of relegation for another year. I THINK they realised that the need for serious upgrades/replacements was looming somewhere down the line, but that it wasn't yet desperate. Sadly, the gamble is in real danger of failing as we suddenly look old, slow, predictable, toothless and massively short of confidence and where the hell we're going to get the 15 or 16 more points we probably need from, especially after the way we played against Villa goodness only knows. We'll be lucky to get 1 this month!jollyjack wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:10 amWe'd be in trouble if we got relegated and then failed to win promotion. People seem to assume that if we went down we'd walk the Championship. With all those big clubs down there getting big backers, we'd struggle I'm sure. Need to assure our Prem place this season and continue to slowly replace the squad with younger talent, to do that I think we need new faces that can add to our on field threat. The board are gambling massively that we'll survive this year. Need 4 or 5 teams below us to go on an awful run of form to match ours over the next month or 2.
I think most fans accept your point to a degree. But the football is supposed to get better the longer your in the premier league.bodge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:28 pmDyche should only be under pressure to keep us in this league, he's already produced miracles in doing so over the last few seasons.
People wanting aesthetically pleasing football under our budget are going to be disappointed, that's the reality.
He's allowed us to close the gap by playing in a way that makes other teams uncomfortable with our style and if our fans don't get it by now i'm not sure they ever will. He's told us enough times.
It's incredible what he's done for our club.
I absolutely agree Bodge and I have no issue whatsoever with us playing what many see as crap football, which to a large extent we've done since we got into the PL. After all I was travelling all over the country watching us play crap football in Div 4 for many years, so I'm definitely not complaining now. It's all fine by me IF we're winning or even looking like we might win. My worry right now isn't with our "style" of football, it's with the fact that it really doesn't look like we can eek out the results we need and we seem to have the whiff of a "busted flush" about us and that's because we didn't strengthen and shake up a couple of key areas when we had the chance (CM mainly!!)bodge wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:28 pmDyche should only be under pressure to keep us in this league, he's already produced miracles in doing so over the last few seasons.
People wanting aesthetically pleasing football under our budget are going to be disappointed, that's the reality.
He's allowed us to close the gap by playing in a way that makes other teams uncomfortable with our style and if our fans don't get it by now i'm not sure they ever will. He's told us enough times.
It's incredible what he's done for our club.
Our style has regressed of late. Our mixed football (long ball, quick pressing and some lovely football mixed in) has become pretty much the former with the latter few and far between.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:11 pmI absolutely agree Bodge and I have no issue whatsoever with us playing what many see as crap football, which to a large extent we've done since we got into the PL. After all I was travelling all over the country watching us play crap football in Div 4 for many years, so I'm definitely not complaining now. It's all fine by me IF we're winning or even looking like we might win. My worry right now isn't with our "style" of football, it's with the fact that it really doesn't look like we can eek out the results we need and we seem to have the whiff of a "busted flush" about us and that's because we didn't strengthen and shake up a couple of key areas when we had the chance (CM mainly!!)
This is true and I think part of the reason for it is that Cork for example (who HAS been a really good signing) seems to get slower and slower by the week and has needed replacing since part way through last season and then when you take the likes of Arfield and Boyd for example, out the team and replace them with Brady?? (Not a patch on Arfield in his pomp and never will be) and Hendrick or Lennon, we've actually regressed as they can't CONSISTENTLY, play "our game".DCWat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:24 pmOur style has regressed of late. Our mixed football (long ball, quick pressing and some lovely football mixed in) has become pretty much the former with the latter few and far between.
If we get back to how we can play, we will be fine but we need to do it quick and start thinking about improving the first eleven.
Ooohhh the drama. Full house vs United and then a lower crowd for a 1230 KO on New Years Day which was on TV, not sure how you come to the conclusion they are voting with their feet?Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:02 pm
The fans are voting with their feet at the minute, it's a horrible watch despite a decent points haul so far.
More the fact the Villa game looked 15 to 16k on.
Are you trying to convince me to become a wet wipe?Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:49 pmMore the fact the Villa game looked 15 to 16k on.
Away games not selling out including United. 700 down to Bournemouth, 1500 to Everton. Less than 1000 to Chelsea today?
Sounds like we inhabit roughly the same era. Some of what we've played over the last 35 odd years has been crap. Cotterball was crap.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:11 pmI absolutely agree Bodge and I have no issue whatsoever with us playing what many see as crap football, which to a large extent we've done since we got into the PL. After all I was travelling all over the country watching us play crap football in Div 4 for many years, so I'm definitely not complaining now. It's all fine by me IF we're winning or even looking like we might win. My worry right now isn't with our "style" of football, it's with the fact that it really doesn't look like we can eek out the results we need and we seem to have the whiff of a "busted flush" about us and that's because we didn't strengthen and shake up a couple of key areas when we had the chance (CM mainly!!)
The players you mention (plus my all time favourite, St Glen of Little!) were all exciting and gave us genuine "bums off seats" moments at the level we were at, but many of those crap lower division performances actually ended in defeat to the likes of Scarborough or Torquay or Newport or Exeter et al, whereas under SD our "crap style" has actually brought us success in the lofty echelons of the PL no less. Hence I really am happy for us to play crapball, AS LONG AS WE WIN!!! .thatdberight wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:13 pmSounds like we inhabit roughly the same era. Some of what we've played over the last 35 odd years has been crap. Cotterball was crap.
But, as much as, clearly, the skill level was so much lower than now, it was more entertaining watching Johnny Francis and Roger Eli. And Ron Futcher. And Andy Cooke. And Andy Payton.
And mike Conroy and George oghani and stevie Davisthatdberight wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:13 pmSounds like we inhabit roughly the same era. Some of what we've played over the last 35 odd years has been crap. Cotterball was crap.
But, as much as, clearly, the skill level was so much lower than now, it was more entertaining watching Johnny Francis and Roger Eli. And Ron Futcher. And Andy Cooke. And Andy Payton.
You can bloody scrub George Oghani off that list (apart from PNE in the Sherpa! One game I tell you. One game!! And one game doesn't get you into the exalted company of Rocket Ron and friends)
There’s not a team in the Lower half of the league that does not need exactly same . But how ? And who ? De Bruyne ? Zaha ?Giftonsnoidea wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:53 pmIt’s simple the board need to buy a midfielder that goes straight into the team that is better than what we have.
Either put up or shut up, sell some players off if we’re still pleading poverty, what’s this Rigg character doing getting all these players in on massive wages that can’t get a game, odd, very odd.
We need to show some fight and some forward thinking fast not this defeatist bullshit coming from the top down.
That's honest and there's no right or wrong in this - just different tastes and views on football. I am, for the first time in those 35 years, 20+ as a ST holder, no longer really interested. I would not put it all down to this single factor of how we play. But it hasn't helped.Dark Cloud wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:32 pmThe players you mention (plus my all time favourite, St Glen of Little!) were all exciting and gave us genuine "bums off seats" moments at the level we were at, but many of those crap lower division performances actually ended in defeat to the likes of Scarborough or Torquay or Newport or Exeter et al, whereas under SD our "crap style" has actually brought us success in the lofty echelons of the PL no less. Hence I really am happy for us to play crapball, AS LONG AS WE WIN!!! .
Stupid comment. Should have gone for what we could afford such as Mooy. Simples.Dixie Normous wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:02 pmThere’s not a team in the Lower half of the league that does not need exactly same . But how ? And who ? De Bruyne ? Zaha ?
Is that username about your head?Dixie Normous wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:02 pmThere’s not a team in the Lower half of the league that does not need exactly same . But how ? And who ? De Bruyne ? Zaha ?
Dixie Normous wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:32 pmOh **** off im sick of all the hard men on here giving it large on the internet stupid ? Go **** yourself you mouthy cowardly ****
exactly this, had this conversation todayblsclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:52 pmAbramovich forked out £247m in one year to bail out Chelsea.
Villa have spent how much ? Plus Drinkwater's ridiculous wage.
Common sense Burnley are, quite rightly, never ever going to bother dealing on those terms.
There is still a long way to go but, if we do go down, we will still be secure whichever tactics Dyche employs. I'd rather entertain and win in the Championship than fart around and struggle in Prem.
I saw a pic of our following at Chelsea, it looked pitiful. Looked about 900 tops. And before anyone points it out I didn't go either. Frankly can't blame people for not wanting to go away at the moment, it's becoming a chore going on the Turf.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:49 pmMore the fact the Villa game looked 15 to 16k on.
Away games not selling out including United. 700 down to Bournemouth, 1500 to Everton. Less than 1000 to Chelsea today?