Hendrick’s goal VAR

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Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:25 pm

Why was the VAR line not placed on Abraham’s back foot?

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by BabylonClaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:28 pm

He is clearly playing him onside there but it's Chelsea so.

Just like the pen. He is clearly looking for ut

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:29 pm

Good question.

I thought it was very peculiar. I'm not sure they even knew what they were looking at with the way the blue line was being set and re-set.

At least we have the security that if there is a penalty claim later, we know it will be dealt with properly.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by clitheroeclaret2 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:33 pm

Can someone explain offside now, this is totally ridiculous.
What part of body constitutes offside?????

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by clitheroeclaret2 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:44 pm

Whats the point in this VAR nonsense

Rudiger gives Tarky a backward forearm smash, ref has a little word.
.Abraham clearly 100% pushes Tarky out of the way and scores :x

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by mybloodisclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:45 pm

Its ********.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Hopey1786 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:46 pm

And willian went down for his pen

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:47 pm

They desperately need to change VAR for offsides, needs to be a full foot or body part past the last defender, drawing lines on a screen is stupid

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KefkaClaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:50 pm

Ok say VAR isn't in the game, the linesman still called offside. Nothing changes.
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Tall Paul » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:51 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:47 pm
They desperately need to change VAR for offsides, needs to be a full foot or body part past the last defender, drawing lines on a screen is stupid
All that will do though is move the place where they'd need to draw the lines.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:52 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:51 pm
All that will do though is move the place where they'd need to draw the lines.
True but I don’t think there is any advantage of a stray arm past the last defender

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Guller Bull » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:01 pm

Unfortunately Kefka is right. i would rather that VAR isn't used for marginal offsides.

What really pisses me off though is that it isn't used for obvious fouls/dives/cheating etc. I really don't care that the ref/lino's get a something wrong that is so marginal but I cannot stand that players cheat and constantly get away with it.
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:02 pm

Said all season, we’ve put the same idiots in charge of VAR that we’ve seen make mistake after mistake on the pitch for years.
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:08 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:25 pm
Why was the VAR line not placed on Abraham’s back foot?
No idea. Would like someone to tell me. Outrageous as I understand the offside rule.

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Post by ClaretMov » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:08 pm

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by JimmyRobbo » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:22 pm

That is exactly what I saw.

It seems quite simple where the line should be ... but they use a completely different line.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by thatdberight » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:33 pm

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The quality of VAR
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:45 pm

Doesn’t even make sense, Iv given up, Var wins

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Spijed » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:25 pm
Why was the VAR line not placed on Abraham’s back foot?
I thought for offsides it was the furthest player forward and part of their body, hence Abraham's outstretched arm seems to be playing Ben Mee onside!

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KRBFC » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:47 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:45 pm
I thought for offsides it was the furthest player forward and part of their body, hence Abraham's outstretched arm seems to be playing Ben Mee onside!
I thought it was the body part you can score with so not arm, my issue is Abraham’s back leg is the further part to play Mee on side but the VAR line isn’t placed correctly on Abraham’s leg. Just nonsense

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:53 pm

Robbed again by dodgy decisions but playing for a draw didnt help

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm

VAR - excusing the ref from always giving the decision to the big clubs since 2019
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm

I wonder if it’ll get any focus on MOTD.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by NewClaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:03 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:47 pm
I thought it was the body part you can score with so not arm, my issue is Abraham’s back leg is the further part to play Mee on side but the VAR line isn’t placed correctly on Abraham’s leg. Just nonsense
Dyche seemed to accept it in his interview too. I wish the ref had to come out and explain decisions like that. Or the laws of the game that were applied. Looked to me to be clearly onside. We may still have lost, but goals change games and it may have been a different game had it counted.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:04 pm

I think I saw it was Craig pawson as var referee if so should we be surprised :?

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:09 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:33 pm
screen00.jpgThe quality of VAR
I remember this game

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:11 pm

If SD accepted this and the pen, then its a worrying sign he has lost the fight

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:12 pm

Are people not mistaking Hendrick’s arm for Abraham’s leg?

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:17 pm

The PC game, Like our defence, good at headers but slow to react

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by FCBurnley » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:21 pm

They said it was wrong decision on nbcsn then no further comment when they realized it was a fraudulent call. The camera shot used was not even in line with the offside. Burnley should 100% appeal. Won’t make any difference but might stop some of the vat nonsense. Every single decision of any importance went to Chelsea. It’s corrupt
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:23 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:12 pm
Are people not mistaking Hendrick’s arm for Abraham’s leg?
I thought that but it didn’t seem right?

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:23 pm
I thought that but it didn’t seem right?
Pretty sure it’s Hendrick’s arm.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:54 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 pm
Pretty sure it’s Hendrick’s arm.
Look at the 2nd image, it’s Abraham’s leg I’m talking about, why is the line not drawn there?

https://www.givemesport.com/1537160-var ... vs-chelsea

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by dsr » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:27 pm

KefkaClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:50 pm
Ok say VAR isn't in the game, the linesman still called offside. Nothing changes.
If VAR had not been in the game, the linesman may have judged by last year's rules and under last year's rules Mee was level and it would have been a good goal. This year, the rule is that the players can't be level so the linesman was presumably using his best judgement to decide whether Mee's toe was in an offside position.

If VAR had been used but based on last year's rule, they could have had a single quick look and decided (correctly) that the players were level (under last year's rule).

VAR's big triumph yesterday was at Leicester. They can and probably will say that Burnley would have lost anyway. But a game at Leiceter, the home side scores a last minute equaliser that would have been a perfectly good goal last year, and VAR rules it out after a two minute delay. This is what VAR was invented for. The VAR people will look at Leicester's goal and feel happy that they have changed the game of football.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by RMutt » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:33 pm

If McNeil isn’t in the shot how do they work out when he struck the ball? Are all the different cameras time coordinated? If VAR is proving to be inconsistent, which it appears to be, we may as well scrap it and just put up with linesman/ referee inconsistency.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:58 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:54 pm
Look at the 2nd image, it’s Abraham’s leg I’m talking about, why is the line not drawn there?

https://www.givemesport.com/1537160-var ... vs-chelsea
I don’t think I can see Abraham’s leg on the second picture.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:11 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:58 pm
I don’t think I can see Abraham’s leg on the second picture.
I think you’re actually correct ya know, maybe it is Hendricks arm and not Tammys leg. The line clearly isn’t placed correctly still though.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:17 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:11 pm
I think you’re actually correct ya know, maybe it is Hendricks arm and not Tammys leg. The line clearly isn’t placed correctly still though.
Yeah the line looks really dodgy - just think that Hendrick’s arm is being mistaken for Abraham’s leg.
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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by FCBurnley » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:06 pm

Woods arm is stuck out. Abrahams leg is also stuck out. Camera is behind the line giving a poor angle. Hendrick and Mee both clearly on side. Joke but nothing will happen not even an apology.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:18 pm

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I’ve added my own VAR lines.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:22 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:06 pm
Woods arm is stuck out. Abrahams leg is also stuck out.
If you look at the image again I think Riley is correct that it’s Hendricks arm sticking out and not Abraham’s leg, I agree with the rest though, the VAR lines were a farce again, seems like a system implemented to favour the big sides.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by dsr » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:24 pm

But at least VAR achieved its primary aim of disallowing a goal. Does it really matter whether they disallow the right goals, as long as they disallow as many as possible?

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:25 pm

Crooked effing conspiracy. The linesman had his flag up, when he is supposed to keep it down. No way could he be certain.

I assume then that despite it being onside, the linesman was not knowingly wrong, so not clear and obvious...so go with the crooked linesman. Ba stards.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:27 pm

Then there is the pen. Yes Lowton was stupid but Willian just kicked the ball forward and put his foot into him about 6 inches to the right. That is a ******* dive. Corrupt var officials.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:24 pm
But at least VAR achieved its primary aim of disallowing a goal. Does it really matter whether they disallow the right goals, as long as they disallow as many as possible?
It's really turning me off football.

They laughed when I said it'd be the death of football... well, they're not laughing now.

:(

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm

Then we have Avraham with the ball skimming or not skimming his head, after a giant leap.

Surely, he was interfering with play at the very least?
I think it skimmed too.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by tim_noone » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:38 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm
It's really turning me off football.

They laughed when I said it'd be the death of football... well, they're not laughing now.

:(
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:50 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:24 pm
But at least VAR achieved its primary aim of disallowing a goal. Does it really matter whether they disallow the right goals, as long as they disallow as many as possible?
The VAR didn’t disallow the goal, the assistant referee did.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:50 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm
Then we have Avraham with the ball skimming or not skimming his head, after a giant leap.

Surely, he was interfering with play at the very least?
I think it skimmed too.
Doesn’t matter whether he was interfering, it’s whether he made contact. I think he did, but the pictures were never going to be conclusive so they had to stick with the on-field call.

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Re: Hendrick’s goal VAR

Post by fidelcastro » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:14 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:50 pm
Doesn’t matter whether he was interfering, it’s whether he made contact. I think he did, but the pictures were never going to be conclusive so they had to stick with the on-field call.
Remember when we were told that VAR would clear up these issues?

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