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How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:37 pm
by burnleymik
We know the next 3 games are tough and we seem to be really struggling to change our fortunes, we still have time to save ourselves, so...
If you were Dyche, what would you do?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:39 pm
by cockneyclaret
Replace SD? Freshen things up??
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:39 pm
by burnleymik
cockneyclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:39 pm
Replace SD? Freshen things up??
Surely replacing Dyche would be the worst of all options right now?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:40 pm
by bf2k
Buy players who are good enough. It’s simple.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:41 pm
by Burnley1989
I don’t think we can, I think we will need some luck
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:42 pm
by Vegas Claret
Here are the options
A: stop picking the same players and give the likes of Vydra and Gibson a chance
B: sign new players
C: replace the manager
D: Rinse and repeat the same old crap
My money is on D
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:42 pm
by cockneyclaret
burnleymik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:39 pm
Surely replacing Dyche would be the worst of all options right now?
I'm just putting it out there? More for the discussion..
We need 3 players that'll walk into the starting 11
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:44 pm
by SGr
By making a signing good enough for the first team.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:46 pm
by KefkaClaret
Sign some good players?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:46 pm
by Guitargeorge
Bring a bit of pace in!!
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:46 pm
by bf2k
A Sean Dyche side is hardworking, organised and has 100% work rate & commitment week in week out. This side HE has assembled is lacking all these attributes. These attributes need to return or Dyche’s football style/philosophy doesn’t work.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:49 pm
by 4:20
Beat Leicester
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:49 pm
by summitclaret
We ain't gonna sign anybody now. We missed the boat in the last few windows. When we finished 7th that was the time and the jan. before when we , and more importantly everyone, knew we were staying up.
We will just have to dig in somehow and then beat those around us. Your team needs you now more then ever.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:49 pm
by Sheedyclaret
We won't its all gone stale and something needs to change weather it will time will tell.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:50 pm
by LawsCanalJump
Change the system..
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:51 pm
by burnleymik
We have turned bad runs around before though? Will a signing really make enough of a difference to change this?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:51 pm
by burnleymik
What would you change it to?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:52 pm
by KRBFC
We desperately need investment or we are finished at this level, if we don’t invest this window the only hope is to sack Dyche and pray for a small “new manager bounce”.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:51 pm
by ewanrob
It's the tactics, dont think SD is alone in the planning of this...something Has to change. I really want him to turn it around, but the issue with no money and players out of form is very toxic. No idea what he does....
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:54 pm
by Woodleyclaret
We will get 6 points over the next three games UTC
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:57 pm
by burnleymik
For the people suggesting we spend money, who would you buy and what areas of the team do you prioritise, remembering we are in a relegation battle and we don't want to over-commit?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:57 pm
by RingoMcCartney
Drop down .
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Come back up.
Worse things have happened!
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:59 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
Freshen up with a new signing or two.
Keep the faith, there are more then enough chances to get the the points.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:59 pm
by burnleymik
RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:57 pm
Drop down .
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Come back up.
Worse things have happened!
Haha. love the optimism, but the championship looks bloody tough and many of the top teams already have larger wage budgets than we do in the Prem. I worry that if we fall coming back up is not a given, by any means.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm
by warksclaret
Can someone tell SD that its a WINNING team you don't change.When you lose 6 in 8 then its often a good decision to review your weakest players.After all he keeps telling us he now has a competitive squad
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm
by Wile E Coyote
There is only one option and that is to fight our way out.
It shocks me how fans can turn on a manager, but at Burnley of all clubs, I thought a little more sense might prevail.
Who got us here ?
He is restricted by what his employers are prepared to give him , and he has to get on with it.
How anyone can slate him for team selections and substitutions is a joke, he is the one who made all the right moves that enabled us to be playing football in this division in the first place.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm
by ksrclaret
Make them watch the video of how Southampton beat Leicester today. Their energy and desire will shame the tepid displays we've served up in recent months.
If all the money has genuinely ran out and we can't afford a signing, our best hope of survival now is to get the players back to giving 100% each and every game. The coaching must improve too in order to get us playing without fear again, because our players look absolutely terrified and fearful when they have the ball at their feet and they panic, resulting in a shocking amount of needless turn-overs and mistakes.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:01 pm
by burnleymik
Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:59 pm
Freshen up with a new signing or two.
Keep the faith, there are more then enough chances to get the the points.
What position do you prioritise and suggestions for players? I suppose it's easy for us to say "new signings", but where are players that we can afford and are good enough to improve our starting 11?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:01 pm
by Wokingclaret
Players to realise they are going to miss their staying up bonus
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:02 pm
by CombatClaret
Effort and attitude, this is one thing that can change and best of all it doesn't cost any money.
I think our good start to the season gave us a false sense of security and lead to some complacency,
Week 13 we were 7th with 18 points on the board and several teams who looked an utter shambles. Easy to see how players and maybe manager though 'we've got this' and collectively took the foot of the gas a little, be in effort, tactically preparing for teams etc.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:02 pm
by burnleymik
ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm
Make them watch the video of how Southampton beat Leicester today. Their energy and desire
This is something that worries me, the energy and desire both seem to be at a low right now. We have to get out of this funk and Sean has to make that happen.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:05 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
burnleymik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:01 pm
What position do you prioritise and suggestions for players? I suppose it's easy for us to say "new signings", but where are players that we can afford and are good enough to improve our starting 11?
If I had to choose I’d say right back and centre mid.
Obviously other areas need addressing but I’d prioritise those.
I’d take anything at moment to be fair, we seem very stale and need shaking up.
Although depending on Barnes fitness I’d maybe change the second one.
In terms of who do we sign and for how much, we are paying people a lot of money for that. Over to them.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:06 pm
by RingoMcCartney
burnleymik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:59 pm
Haha. love the optimism, but the championship looks bloody tough and many of the top teams already have larger wage budgets than we do in the Prem. I worry that if we fall coming back up is not a given, by any means.
In 10 years from now.
Just as the previous decade or two, regardless of division.
Still moaning about that "off side", still grumpy after a tubbing, still disproportionately giddy after a win.
I'll still be a claret.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:12 pm
by Dyched
RingoMcCartney wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:57 pm
Drop down .
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Come back up.
Worse things have happened!
The current squad couldn’t get promoted from the Championship. They’ve no character whatsoever. Over a 46 game Championship season the likes of Taylor, Tarks, Cork, Lennon, JBG, McNeill wont have the ******** to do what Keane, Duff, Arfield, Boyd, Marney, Jones did. There’s also the complete lack of pace both Ings and Gray gave us.
It takes ******** getting out of that league and we’ve none.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:13 pm
by bfc-sparta
summitclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:49 pm
We ain't gonna sign anybody now. We missed the boat in the last few windows. When we finished 7th that was the time and the jan. before when we , and more importantly everyone, knew we were staying up.
We will just have to dig in somehow and then beat those around us. Your team needs you now more then ever.
Spot on I said the same at the time. We were definitely staying up let's spend some money in Jan and get some players in so they would.be ready for the next season . Instead we got lennon and nukudo. Missed opportunity . We finished 7th which was amazing we could of finished higher with a few new signings
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:14 pm
by Burnleyareback2
KRBFC wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:52 pm
We desperately need investment or we are finished at this level, if we don’t invest this window the only hope is to sack Dyche and pray for a small “new manager bounce”.
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For the few people that think sacking Dyche is the solution the majority know we will be in our natural position in league 1 in 2 years
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:17 pm
by BurnleyFC
We can’t.
It’s been fun, up until the last 6-12 months, but there you go.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:18 pm
by tarkys_ears
New manager.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:20 pm
by tarkys_ears
Watched the match today, it was like every other game we've played this season.
Remember when we were renowned for running and movement? I doubt we did 10k between the ******* team today.
Dyche needs to go, his negativity is holding what is a half decent set of players back.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:20 pm
by warksclaret
Need some fresh faces and fast. To stay up we need goals. We have 3 strikers-Vydra is just not in SD's plans. Then take out Barnes with his groin op, and Wood if he has broken his nose is a doubt v Leicester and no guarantee Jay 's virus will have gone
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:20 pm
by morpheus2
Keep on playing the most awful tedious style of football ever seen at the Turf and eventualy bore the opposition into submission?
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:21 pm
by Spijed
Brighton supporters are saying exactly the same about their team at the moment
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:21 pm
by RingoMcCartney
Dyched wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:12 pm
The
current squad couldn’t get promoted from the Championship.
It takes ******** getting out of that league and we’ve none.
You're making an assumption that we would start next season with the
"current" squad.
Why not wait and see how things pan out?
You never know, we may
still be in the premier league.....
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:24 pm
by jrgbfc
Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:00 pm
There is only one option and that is to fight our way out.
It shocks me how fans can turn on a manager, but at Burnley of all clubs, I thought a little more sense might prevail.
Who got us here ?
He is restricted by what his employers are prepared to give him , and he has to get on with it.
How anyone can slate him for team selections and substitutions is a joke, he is the one who made all the right moves that enabled us to be playing football in this division in the first place.
30 million in transfer fees alone on Gibson, Vydra and Wells, before you even get started on the wages. Hart and Drinkwater probably on 50 grand a week each, to say he's not had any backing is simply not true.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:24 pm
by thelaughingclaret
I have a theory that the club had saved up all the money from all prowler league seasons and put it into Thomas cook and mothercare shares. It’s the only to explain how we now don’t have a pot to **** in and can’t even afford to reduce fa cup prices by £2.50. We must be deep in our overdraft Shocking mismanagement of the club either way to have apparently no money left to sign even one player. The current board and chairmen really are hopeless and are destroying all of Kilbys previous good hard work.
Take a good look at Bolton now because I think that’s the way we will be heading i this next decade and that isn’t even a joke. I genuinely do fear it.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:27 pm
by ksrclaret
Spijed wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:21 pm
Brighton supporters are saying exactly the same about their team at the moment
I bet you they're not
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:42 pm
by cockneyclaret
ksrclaret wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:27 pm
I bet you they're not
Definitely not, well the many at work are happy to get rid of the negative Houghton and actually have a manager playing football..
But then again there no better than us as it stands
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:45 pm
by FactualFrank
burnleymik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:59 pm
Haha. love the optimism, but the championship looks bloody tough and many of the top teams already have larger wage budgets than we do in the Prem. I worry that if we fall coming back up is not a given, by any means.
Take Leeds, Fulham and WBA out of the Championship (I expect at least Leeds and WBA will go up), and I don't think it looks tough at all, to be fair.
The side we have now, with no new investment I think would be more than capable of bouncing back up.
I guess the question would be who we can keep hold of.
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:57 pm
by jojomk1
Going to be difficult to bring people in now
With the Championship wide open it's highly unlikely any decent team will let players go
Loans from top Prem clubs may be an option but, given SD's record of not playing them, that's also a tough ask
Still 16 games left, 9 against teams we can beat with the right attitude/tactics/desire
Re: How can we stop this downward spiral and survive this season?
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:01 pm
by Barry_Chuckle
The side we have now are too old for the marathon which is the Championship. Aging squads lead to niggles and injury, look how many niggles we have in our squad on a weekly basis, and that when they're not asked to play 46 games.