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The thread we've been waiting for (while the board was down): Matt Lowton

Post by Spiral » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:12 pm

Says a lot, too much in fact, that we look a much, much poorer side when we aren't playing a 34 year old right back who is best known for just being hard as nails.

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Post by burnleymik » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:14 pm

Lowtons done a great job for us over his time here, but his confidence is shot and he looks a shadow of his former self. I think almost every clarets fan realises how much we need a right back. We have a wealth of options for left-back!

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Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:15 pm

If that performance doesn’t make us go out and buy a right back then I’m not sure what will.

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Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:17 pm

Completely finished at this level. Some atrocious performances this season as well as last season.

Our refusal to sign players is really going to kill us soon. Our right back position is currently staffed by someone nowhere near good enough, and a 34 year old winding down and out of contract in the summer. I only hope this lad Cooney we have out on loan at Morcambe is decent.
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Post by ClaretTony » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:18 pm

Lowton is having a torrid time right now and, for me, Bardsley is currently by far the best choice for right back.
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Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:22 pm

Feel for ML, at his best he was making the difference for us. Needs to get his confidence back up.
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Post by willsclarets » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 pm

It's a weird decline. At one point he was actually a very important cog in our attacking play. His delivery was improving and both he/ward were excellent at supporting midfield and keep the back 4 solid.

I might be alone in this but I'd say keep him in the side. Taking him straight out again will just crush him further. A bit of backing might lift him, and the bottom line is ability wise he's a better player than bardsley. It's not as if we're rock solid without him in the defence.

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Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:27 pm

He really dosent look like he can be arsed...

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Post by conyoviejo » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:35 pm

He's a good championship player,so we better keep him .
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Post by FCBurnley » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:50 pm

Very sad to watch Lowton and the team in general simply withering away. We got out of jail last season but that only papered over the cracks. Heads buried in the sand now just waiting for the inevitable to happen. Even UTC is suffering from the same symptoms.

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Post by claretsintown » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:53 pm

Sadly he was dreadful yesterday.
Looked like a little boy lost at times.
I thought the team started well for the first 25 mins but after that challenge on Willian for the penalty his confidence was shot and he just didn't seem to have a grasp of his own positioning.
Felt sorry for him by the end

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Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:18 pm
Lowton is having a torrid time right now and, for me, Bardsley is currently by far the best choice for right back.
While I 100% agree with you Bardsley isn’t good enough either. We need urgently to go and buy a first choice right back. We won’t though.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:57 pm

Lowton's best football for us came when we passed the ball more and played with more vitality

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Post by ClaretAL » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:05 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:18 pm
Lowton is having a torrid time right now and, for me, Bardsley is currently by far the best choice for right back.
Agreed,

Can Koiki play at right back, even though he is predominantly left sided where he has played so far? And what is our U23 like at right back?

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:07 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 pm
It's a weird decline. At one point he was actually a very important cog in our attacking play. His delivery was improving and both he/ward were excellent at supporting midfield and keep the back 4 solid.

I might be alone in this but I'd say keep him in the side. Taking him straight out again will just crush him further. A bit of backing might lift him, and the bottom line is ability wise he's a better player than bardsley. It's not as if we're rock solid without him in the defence.
The reality is though the club cannot simply pamper to him & his lack of confidence as some of experiment, the need to get 11 onto the field in a maximum strength unit is more desperate than ever, simply cannot afford to carry passengers any longer.

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Post by kaptin1 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:13 pm

Lowton is devoid of confidence at the moment. Consequently he is permanently a yard off the pace, can’t pass and his decision-making is awful. Doesn’t help when you are Coming into a team that is also bang out of form. I don’t think he is a bad player, just playing badly at present.

Personally think Bardsley is very underrated and has decent quality on the ball. He’s never going to be belting down the touch line whipping in crosses, especially at his age, but he does a fairly solid job in a back four. Sure, we could do with an upgrade, but I think centre midfield is more of a priority at present.
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Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:21 pm

Should absolutely NEVER have gone to ground in that situation and most 8 year olds playing the game for their local team would have known better, but he pulled out and Willian cheated. Never a pen imo. However, Lowts has sadly become rubbish and needs to go.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:25 pm

ClaretAL wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:05 pm
Agreed,

Can Koiki play at right back, even though he is predominantly left sided where he has played so far? And what is our U23 like at right back?
U23 right backs have both gone out on loan

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Post by bfcjg » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:29 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:25 pm
U23 right backs have both gone out on loan
Could at least one be recalled ?

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Post by beddie » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:30 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:21 pm
Should absolutely NEVER have gone to ground in that situation and most 8 year olds playing the game for their local team would have known better, but he pulled out and Willian cheated. Never a pen imo. However, Lowts has sadly become rubbish and needs to go.
Agree with you first point, however, it was a pen all day long, admittedly Willian did what they all do but when you go to ground like that with the forward moving at speed it leaves the ref little choice.

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Post by SkiptonClaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:32 pm

The unfortunate upshot of this is that Bardsley will end up getting another contract. Him and Pieters on the other flank - total football.
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Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:41 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:30 pm
Agree with you first point, however, it was a pen all day long, admittedly Willian did what they all do but when you go to ground like that with the forward moving at speed it leaves the ref little choice.
I agree it's hard for the ref and on first viewing "live" only a clown would have said it wasn't stonewall, but when you see it close up it definitely "appeared" that Willian had seen Lowton sliding about on his ass like a pub player up Towneley and threw his foot against his on purpose.
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Post by Bin Ont Turf » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:21 pm
Should absolutely NEVER have gone to ground in that situation and most 8 year olds playing the game for their local team would have known better, but he pulled out and Willian cheated. Never a pen imo. However, Lowts has sadly become rubbish and needs to go.
100% correct.

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Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:14 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:29 pm
Could at least one be recalled ?
No. Loans are window to window.

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Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:23 pm

He’s never been that good but his defending has become suspect all of a sudden, loss of confidence maybe, we need a young right back and quick.

Is Bardsley injured as he should be in front of him anyway

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Post by Safron » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:33 pm

Why can't either Gibson or long fill in they are defenders by trade , should be able to play anywhere across the back four

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Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:39 pm

Safron wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:33 pm
Why can't either Gibson or long fill in they are defenders by trade , should be able to play anywhere across the back four
Or up front!!! :roll:

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Post by Stayingup » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:29 pm

Why didn't Bardsley play yesterday.

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Post by Tinribs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:30 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:27 pm
He really dosent look like he can be arsed...
I thought exactly the same yesterday watching his lame performance.
I’d play anybody there except him he’s become a liability and if Dyche doesn’t see that then he’s become a liability too

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:43 pm

Been concerned about his attitude for a while. In the reverse fixture he was more concerned about mouthing off to Willian than chasing back to prevent what ended up being a Chelsea goal. He mucks around at half time when he’s a substitute and then had a total lack of discipline and at times desire yesterday.

Edit - wasn’t he also found to be the player leaking the lineup the day before our games?

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Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:27 pm

Kev Long can play rb

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Post by Blackrod » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:29 pm

Lowton is sadly not up to it anymore. this position needs strengthening urgently but for me a central midfielder is more important now then RB in the summer if not now . Garlick probably won’t bother with either.

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Post by deanothedino » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:15 pm

beddie wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:30 pm
Agree with you first point, however, it was a pen all day long, admittedly Willian did what they all do but when you go to ground like that with the forward moving at speed it leaves the ref little choice.
It was dishonest, but it will carry on until they start suspending players.

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Post by rob63 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:05 am

ClaretAL wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:05 pm
Agreed,

Can Koiki play at right back, even though he is predominantly left sided where he has played so far? And what is our U23 like at right back?
Don't know about Koiki playing RB but two of our U-23 right backs are now out on loan. Good time to move to 3 centre backs with a winger as a wing-back?

Just putting it out there!

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Post by SGr » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:59 pm

Or we could, you know, sign a new one?

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Post by TVC15 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:05 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:29 pm
Why didn't Bardsley play yesterday.
Bardsley and Jay had been ill all week and not trained.

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Post by No Ney Never » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:01 pm

willsclarets wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:26 pm
It's a weird decline. At one point he was actually a very important cog in our attacking play. His delivery was improving and both he/ward were excellent at supporting midfield and keep the back 4 solid.

I might be alone in this but I'd say keep him in the side. Taking him straight out again will just crush him further. A bit of backing might lift him, and the bottom line is ability wise he's a better player than bardsley. It's not as if we're rock solid without him in the defence.
You're not alone, I too would keep him in the side. Having paid more attention to him in the last couple of games, I'm not surprised he's looking a bit pi $$ed off.
I would be too if I'm in a great position, in space on the right waving my arms and no one makes the pass. Instead the ball is played short sideways then back to Mee or Taylor, I'm not talking about a one off here either. We are then pressed and end up under pressure where panic leads to either an individual mistake and / or playing poor balls and passes. Having made the run, not get anything out of it, then find you're out of position, there's only so many times that this can happen before you begin to lose heart.
There's an unhealthy emphasis on constantly trying to play down the left flank, despite the fact that this has been sussed by the opposition long ago.

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Post by JohnMac » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:04 pm

Right is the new Left.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:12 pm

The obvious option is to go three at the back.

Gibson Mee Tarks

The reality is it will remain predictable and flat back 4.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:05 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:12 pm
The obvious option is to go three at the back.

Gibson Mee Tarks

The reality is it will remain predictable and flat back 4.
Not sure it would work with the way Dyche sets up but I agree with a 3-4-3 formation (3-5-2 if you play Jay alongside Wood and give McNeil a free role in the middle)

Tarks-Mee-Gibson
Hendrick-Westwood-Cork-Taylor
Jay-Wood-McNeil

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