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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:31 pm

Strange decision to throw Drinky in right from the start.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:32 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:17 pm
This topic highlights the problem on this forum and a problem stemmed from Dyche’s hoof ball. The fans are so divided and toxic atm.

You have one side praying Drinkwater does well for Villa to slam Dyche and the opposite side laughing at every Drinkwater touch to argue back. What is wrong with you all?

Drinkwater was **** for us and had a **** debut for Villa, he doesn’t play for us anymore so I don’t care. I’m not sure 1 game against one of the best sides in Europe is even a fair judgement either way given the lack of games under his belt in the last 2 years.
Are you sure the "problem" that you feel you are identifying on this MB is caused by SD's "hoofball"?
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by charlyt » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:39 pm

DD just wandered around the middle like a lost soul.
If a City player came within a couple of yards of him he just backed off.
The Villa manager must have stars in his eyes to say he performed well in training and lifted the place since his arrival.
Drinkwater is completely and utterly useless with absolutely nothing to offer.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:40 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:21 pm
Just for balance because I don’t care either way but why are people so fickle in football? He’s played 1 game against Man City and you are happily writing him off? I’d hope you wouldn’t write off our players so quickly. Pope was shocking yesterday, so he’s now the worst goalkeeper ever? Is this how football is now...
Not sure anyone is writing Drinkwater off entirely, more just pointing out that perhaps Dyche’s decision to not displace Cork or Westwood for Drinkwater is vindicated. And more so because this thread was started by someone praising how the Villa manager has handled Drinkwater in comparison to Dyche.

Cork and Westwood are both limited players but also underrated by many. However if I was any member of the Burnley squad and was dropped for a player who ambled around constantly 10 yards from the action for his entire time on the pitch I’d be mighty p!ssed off. For all of Westwood and Cork’s limitations they both give absolutely everything to the cause and I expect that they do exactly what Dyche asks of them on a regular basis.

Drinkwater looked like a clown on the pitch today and there’s more than a little to suggest that his attitude stinks. Gamble signing which could have paid off but didn’t.
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:44 pm

charlyt wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:39 pm
DD just wandered around the middle like a lost soul.
If a City player came within a couple of yards of him he just backed off.
The Villa manager must have stars in his eyes to say he performed well in training and lifted the place since his arrival.
Drinkwater is completely and utterly useless with absolutely nothing to offer.
He pointed a lot as well,looked to me like he didnt want the ball kept pointing to passes away from him,hes is stealing a living,but more fool the clubs for flogging this dead horse by paying him disgusting amounts of cash

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by warksclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:48 pm

Got to put my hands up and state he was well off the pace, had no touch, and looked knackered after a few minutes. He will either improve with game time and fitness or this will soon be the end of his career in the PL. Fortunately for hi the opposition wont get any better than what he just faced. Man City will be playing a number of teams at the bottom of the table between now and May and cant see any of these taking a point off the. Think they have unfinished business knowing Liverpool have the title

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:50 pm

Everyone’s using hindsight saying bad move for avilla and he was dreadful. But the bigger question is if he is that bad, that unfit and that bad an egg why did we sign him in the first place?

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by ClaretLoup » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:51 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:40 pm
Gamble signing which could have paid off but didn’t.
Your post is bang on and why didn't Dyche play Drinkwater has diverted attention from the real issue with this signing which was why did the club sign him in the first place.

We are constantly reminded that we cannot expect any significant signings because it has to be the right fit etc. so why did they gamble on this loser?

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:53 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:50 pm
Everyone’s using hindsight saying bad move for avilla and he was dreadful. But the bigger question is if he is that bad, that unfit and that bad an egg why did we sign him in the first place?
Was clearly a desperate panic buy in the last few hours before the deadline. We'd known since last January we were going to need a centre mid.
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by box_of_frogs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:05 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:19 pm
That’s an exaggeration
Agreed. They could have said Liverpool.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:06 pm

He was utter shite v City
£110,000 a week thats just a massive pxxxtske
But fair play Villa have previous wasting money on flops
I suppose the difference between our board snd Villas is several hundred million .We cant afford to subsidise wages on loanees

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Roosterbooster » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:07 pm

claretblue wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:06 pm
Lansbury on for Drinky!
1-1 with Lansbury. 5-0 with Drinkwater.

I think we should get back in for him...

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:09 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:53 pm
Was clearly a desperate panic buy in the last few hours before the deadline. We'd known since last January we were going to need a centre mid.
We’ve known for a lot longer than that

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:12 pm

Was it £35m from Leicester? If DD was going to be any use whatsoever to Lampard's Chelsea, FL would never have sent him out, also bearing in mind that that Chelsea were facing a transfer embargo at the time.
I would be very surprised if DD were to make a positive impact at Villa.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 pm

Rather than revel in the fact that Drinkwater has had a stinker it concerns me that our improved and updated scouting network so fit to go anywhere near him in the first place.

All the folk saying “Dyche was right” just remember he signed him, wanted to keep him and paid him a million pound in wages for the pleasure.

Not that funny is it when you consider that .
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:29 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:50 pm
Everyone’s using hindsight saying bad move for avilla and he was dreadful. But the bigger question is if he is that bad, that unfit and that bad an egg why did we sign him in the first place?
Because we needed midfield cover after failing to sign our main target(s?) and he must’ve been the best available.

Tbf, City’s midfield give everyone the runaround, and he can’t be match fit. You can’t judge him on one game, but the early signs aren’t good.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:32 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 pm
Rather than revel in the fact that Drinkwater has had a stinker it concerns me that our improved and updated scouting network so fit to go anywhere near him in the first place.

All the folk saying “Dyche was right” just remember he signed him, wanted to keep him and paid him a million pound in wages for the pleasure.

Not that funny is it when you consider that .
Agreed. On balance, would have been better leaving it and having the extra £1m to spend in this window. But we wouldn’t have been saying that if we’d had a midfield injury crisis. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Damo » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:33 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:17 pm
This topic highlights the problem on this forum and a problem stemmed from Dyche’s hoof ball. The fans are so divided and toxic atm.

You have one side praying Drinkwater does well for Villa to slam Dyche and the opposite side laughing at every Drinkwater touch to argue back. What is wrong with you all?

Drinkwater was **** for us and had a **** debut for Villa, he doesn’t play for us anymore so I don’t care. I’m not sure 1 game against one of the best sides in Europe is even a fair judgement either way given the lack of games under his belt in the last 2 years.
Bet you were on the side praying drinkwater played well for villa

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:36 pm

On that performance Frank Lampard and Chelsea have had Sean Dyche's and Dean Smith's trousers down getting them to pay £110k a week for DD. :x

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by deanothedino » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:39 pm

"Smith deserved a share of the discredit for setting his team up with such pusillanimous intent, and in particular his decision to forgo a striker in favour of starting Drinkwater: a player who was supposed to tighten the screws of Villa’s strongbox but instead became the rustiest of nails in their coffin. This was a personally harrowing experience for the former England international, making only his second Premier League start in 22 months and finding himself repeatedly dispossessed by Silva and De Bruyne, like a hapless bobby being given the runaround by a couple of impish Dickensian pickpockets."

The Times' take on his performance
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by joey13 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:45 pm

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:30 pm
Further proof that Dyche does indeed know more about football management than the muppets on this forum...
Oh dear completely ignoring Dyche signed him the first place :roll:

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:48 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:31 pm
Strange decision to throw Drinky in right from the start.
Why? Against man City was always going to be a difficult task, tonight with the form man City showed, you could have played a far better midfielder & still lost albeit by a lesser scoreline, seems to be a ingrained institutionalised fear of just throwing people in, bonus points against them teams.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by deanothedino » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:48 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:45 pm
Oh dear completely ignoring Dyche signed him the first place :roll:
Presumably on the thinking he could get him back to his best, when he didn't he then chose not to play him?
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by SkiptonClaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:50 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 pm
Rather than revel in the fact that Drinkwater has had a stinker it concerns me that our improved and updated scouting network so fit to go anywhere near him in the first place.

All the folk saying “Dyche was right” just remember he signed him, wanted to keep him and paid him a million pound in wages for the pleasure.

Not that funny is it when you consider that .
Absolutely this. The thread reeks a little of self congratulation. Plenty in August on here were creaming themselves over the signing of Drinkwater, a player clearly on a downward trajectory probably for good reasons. We’ve wasted far too much on these types. Far too much.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:58 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:36 pm
On that performance Frank Lampard and Chelsea have had Sean Dyche's and Dean Smith's trousers down getting them to pay £110k a week for DD. :x
We won’t have paid £110k pw. Doubt Villa are, either.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by BurnleyFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:06 pm

That was a world class performance in pointing.
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by BOYSIE31 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:07 pm

To be fair the 2 league games he has started this season have both been against city - so let's see how he does in other games

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by joey13 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:08 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:48 pm
Presumably on the thinking he could get him back to his best, when he didn't he then chose not to play him?
So ignoring the previous two seasons and his drink problems,brilliant management

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by deanothedino » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:11 pm

joey13 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:08 pm
So ignoring the previous two seasons and his drink problems,brilliant management
Like he ignored the numerous issues with Joey Barton and got the best out of him?

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:13 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:33 pm
Bet you were on the side praying drinkwater played well for villa
I’m on neither side, I liked the Drinkwater signing at the time I still believe long term he would’ve been good for us after a run of games to rediscover his form and fitness but he’s moved on so I’m over it.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:17 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:32 pm
Are you sure the "problem" that you feel you are identifying on this MB is caused by SD's "hoofball"?
I believe the Dyche football is spreading here and causing fans to go after each other. It’s a very negative bitchy forum at the moment, posters point scoring about a player who left, like why does anyone give a **** about Drinkwater? Old news to me
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:20 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:17 pm
I believe the Dyche football is spreading here and causing fans to go after each other. It’s a very negative bitchy forum at the moment, posters point scoring about a player who left, like why does anyone give a **** about Drinkwater? Old news to me
i think lots of us were delighted that DD was crap because (A) we knew it all along and this appears to galvanise that opinion, and (B) because he was part of a Villa team who are relegation candidates (as we are) who just got tubbed.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:24 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:20 pm
i think lots of us were delighted that DD was crap because (A) we knew it all along and this appears to galvanise that opinion, and (B) because he was part of a Villa team who are relegation candidates (as we are) who just got tubbed.
Suspected it all along.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 pm
Rather than revel in the fact that Drinkwater has had a stinker it concerns me that our improved and updated scouting network so fit to go anywhere near him in the first place.

All the folk saying “Dyche was right” just remember he signed him, wanted to keep him and paid him a million pound in wages for the pleasure.

Not that funny is it when you consider that .
We don’t know whether Dyche wanted to keep him and I doubt very much that he did.

Bad signing in hindsight but one at the time that seemed quite exciting. We took a chance on a player who would ordinarily have been out of our reach in the hope that we could resurrect his career and maybe make the move permanent. I think if Drinkwater had the correct attitude this thread wouldn’t exist.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:20 pm
i think lots of us were delighted that DD was crap because (A) we knew it all along and this appears to galvanise that opinion, and (B) because he was part of a Villa team who are relegation candidates (as we are) who just got tubbed.
I’m not entirely sure how a game against De Bruyne tells us anything apart from Drinkwater is lacking any kind of match sharpness.

To say he’s crap is quite hilarious though, are you saying you’re right to bash Dyche for signing him or to bash the posters who are bashing Dyche for not playing him?

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:31 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm
I’m not entirely sure how a game against De Bruyne tells us anything apart from Drinkwater is lacking any kind of match sharpness.

To say he’s crap is quite hilarious though, are you saying you’re right to bash Dyche for signing him or to bash the posters who are bashing Dyche for not playing him?
Oh, he's crap allright. Poor professional attitude. If not Lampard wouldn't be punting him out.

And I don't need to bash the manager or any supporters.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:47 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:31 pm
Oh, he's crap allright. Poor professional attitude. If not Lampard wouldn't be punting him out.

And I don't need to bash the manager or any supporters.
Lampard would be punting him out though, Loftus Cheek, Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, Barkley, Mount are all better players.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:51 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:47 pm
Lampard would be punting him out though, Loftus Cheek, Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, Barkley, Mount are all better players.
Possibly, i'm not sure on all of them being better than the Danny Drinkwater that Chelsea paid about £35million for. You remember he was on the edge of the England set up? Truth is he's done nothing but fcuk up for two years, and what we saw exemplifies this.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:56 pm

I think Sean must have had a argument with him & when he arrived with a reputation from the achievements at Leicester & coming from a big club he simply didn't fit in, Sean & the players didn't like him, the nightclub incident was a excuse incited by him creating friction. He's a good player for the right club.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:03 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:51 pm
Possibly, i'm not sure on all of them being better than the Danny Drinkwater that Chelsea paid about £35million for. You remember he was on the edge of the England set up? Truth is he's done nothing but fcuk up for two years, and what we saw exemplifies this.
I still thought he was an odd signing for Chelsea as good as he was for Leicester that year.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by bf2k » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:16 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:12 pm
There are only two reasons why people are moaning about Drinkwater not getting game time.

1. They have watched him in the under 23s and seen him bossing the game and being far too good to leave out.

2. They are cross that Burnley are not playing very well and assume that the manager is no use and is doing everything wrong.

How successful does a manager have to be to get some credit in the bank? Dyche has obviously not done enough so far. :roll:
I think the issue is dsr (or my issue at least) is we had a very good Premier League class midfielder sat on the bench week in week out when our current midfield were not performing. It’s the lack of a plan b which annoys so many.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Shore claret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:24 pm

The way he let ex team mate mahrez float past him was beyond unprofessional, I wanted and thought he might get his mojo back with us, that performance was shocking. But he could end up being a good signing, but not looking likely.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Pstotto » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:49 pm

Ings was sold for a million to Southampton and Drinkwater wasn't he on £300,000 a week and he was here for????

You do the maths, DownRover.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Chester Perry » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:56 pm

Southampton paid £20m for Ings and he absolutely refused to go anywhere other than his boyhood club
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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Row Z » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:01 pm

Its clear drinkwater needs games, based on tonight's performance I hope he keeps getting them at Villa.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by tim_noone » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:03 pm

Shore claret wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:24 pm
The way he let ex team mate mahrez float past him was beyond unprofessional, I wanted and thought he might get his mojo back with us, that performance was shocking. But he could end up being a good signing, but not looking likely.
Only going off Motd 2......take DD out of todays team...replace with any other top ten midfield player and it would still have been 4or5 against a very unorganised and poorly set up Villa.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Hibsclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:11 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:36 pm
On that performance Frank Lampard and Chelsea have had Sean Dyche's and Dean Smith's trousers down getting them to pay £110k a week for DD. :x
Tbh the main trousers down have been Chelsea given they paid 35m and a 5 year contract worth circa 28m for a busted flush, or someone completely unsuitable to their style of play, given he was bought from the most counterattacking team in premier league winning history.

Leicester have had everyone’s pants down on that one tbh.

As for the moaners on here Dyche is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Brings in someone with pedigree for midfield and it doesn’t work out, probably because the player has lost his edge/desire through not playing. He could have brought someone in younger with less experience but would he be good enough.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:43 pm

It was a gamble for a back up player.

Everyone needs to calm themselves down.

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Re: Dean Smith & Drinkwater

Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:50 pm

Jeez. The guy’s rusty. It could’ve worked out for us. But it didn’t.
Wanting him to prove SD wrong and wanting DD to fail at Villa is just bitching.
A lot of this is borne out of frustration of our lack of spending and a poor run of form.
Some of you waste too much time looking at what we don’t have and can’t afford.
For your mental health’s sake Ihope you guys manage to find another way of distracting yourselves.

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