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Post by ewanrob » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:53 pm

So is he really unsackable

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Re: EH

Post by Spike » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:56 pm

Over rated can’t organise a defence and never could

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Re: EH

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:56 pm

From where he's taken Bournemouth I can't see them sacking him.

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Re: EH

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:06 pm

Bournemouth fans want a change,will it happen?

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Re: EH

Post by chekhov » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:26 pm

Spike wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:56 pm
Over rated
Is this the fellow who took 3rd tier Bournemouth to the premier league and has kept them there for 5 seasons, or some other chap I’ve not come across?
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Post by SkiptonClaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:29 pm

Spike wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:56 pm
Over rated can’t organise a defence and never could
As others have pointed out his record would suggest otherwise.

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Re: EH

Post by ewanrob » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:31 pm

All gone stale, good manager but been there to long 🤔

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Re: EH

Post by CleggHall » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:34 pm

Howe and his mate Jason in real trouble, look a bit clueless, a bit like us!?

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Re: EH

Post by Slurpy » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:37 pm

Parallels

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Re: EH

Post by Bosscat » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:48 pm

chekhov wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:26 pm
Is this the fellow who took 3rd tier Bournemouth to the premier league and has kept them there for 5 seasons, or some other chap I’ve not come across?
Means nowt m8

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Re: EH

Post by Moorite » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm

Would anyone have Eddie back here?

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Post by jrgbfc » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if he went.

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Re: EH

Post by chekhov » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:20 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:48 pm
Means nowt m8
Your post here also has me confused.

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Re: EH

Post by MACCA » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:21 pm

Moorite wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm
Would anyone have Eddie back here?
From winning 1-0 at Chelsea, to losing 3-0 at home to Watford. They go from 1 extreme to the other.

Great side to watch on their day, but like us, something doesnt seem right at the minute.

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Re: EH

Post by kaptin1 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:31 pm

But he tries to play lovely passing football...

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Re: EH

Post by WadingInDeeper » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:44 pm

kaptin1 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:31 pm
But he tries to play lovely passing football...
And they did, but the passes were going to Watford players.

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Re: EH

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:52 pm

Watford were never really going down. Too good by far.
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Post by thelaughingclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:03 pm

Howe is like Dyche, knows he won’t get sacked so might as well put his feet up and not really bother. Or maybe that’s just Dyches mantra.

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Re: EH

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:09 pm

Moorite wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:49 pm
Would anyone have Eddie back here?
Absolutely not

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Re: EH

Post by tarkys_ears » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:29 pm

Have him.back? He was lucky he wasn't fired.
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Re: EH

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:43 pm

I can't see him being binned unless their fans, a large number of them, turn on him and start chanting for him to be sacked.

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Re: EH

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:52 pm

Two longest serving managers. Both gone stale. Why’s it a surprise.
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Post by Aclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:55 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:31 pm
All gone stale, good manager but been there to long 🤔
Sounds like someone familiar.
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Re: EH

Post by kentonclaret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 pm

Surprising how many posters relish the idea that the football club is being run like a business, except when it comes to the hiring and firing of the manager, who is deemed unsackable no matter how dire the form or the performances of the team, due to the length of his tenure and "credits" in the bank. Now that wouldn't be tolerated in any properly run business.

There does come a point when it proves very difficult for any manager to keep motivating the same group of players.

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Re: EH

Post by IanMcL » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:53 pm

chekhov wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:26 pm
Is this the fellow who took 3rd tier Bournemouth to the premier league and has kept them there for 5 seasons, or some other chap I’ve not come across?
He took Bournemouth from negative points in 4th tier and hanging by a financial thread, to safety by a miracle and then the rest.

He should be Saint Eddie of Bournemouth.

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Re: EH

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:18 pm

Jonathan Norcroft in today's S Times:

Bournemouth sacking Eddie Howe would be a mistake

Long article - just picked out a few quotes - and bolded the important parts:

Eddie Howe is second behind Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in the betting for next Premier League sacking but it would not be so much killing Bambi as burning down the whole darn woods.

There are deeper reasons why Howe should be retained — even if the worst happens and Bournemouth go down. It is all about making decisions appropriate to a club. Watford have long worked on a principle of change, on the idea you keep a team fresh by regularly freshening up the managerial message. Deeney and co are used to it, get on with it. But successful examples of that approach are rare.

Bournemouth seem much more like Burnley — or like Huddersfield Town were when they parted company with David Wagner last season, or Reading when they ditched Brian McDermott in 2012-13. At such clubs the manager is the architect, the fundamental figure who plotted and built the success. Getting rid of them, in the heat of a moment of pressure, can be recklessly destructive. A double whammy ensues where the sacking club is relegated anyway — then finds it has vandalised its own edifice to the extent it is impossible to come back up.

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Re: EH

Post by Hopey1786 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:22 pm

Would you swap him

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Re: EH

Post by Shore claret » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:33 pm

Genuinely who would go there? Little club and little ground hardly a top job.

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Re: EH

Post by Goobs » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:53 pm

Christ, what with Bournemouth dropping like a stone, DD showing how shite he is and Leicester starting to drop off the title pace now who will the Dyche haters glorify next?

Could be an interesting couple of weeks especially if we beat Leicester on Sunday and results go our way.

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Re: EH

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:59 pm

It's amazing how quickly things can change in football,it was only a few months ago both Burnley and Bournemouth were considered top 10 contenders,we were 6th after winning at Watford,and the Cherries were 7th after beating Man Utd,this was only in November,now we are both in freefall,meanwhile Watford are rapidly easing out of trouble,whatever you think of Pearson he's clearly been a great appointment so far.

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Re: EH

Post by dougcollins » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:10 pm

Watford have a way better squad than us or Bournemouth, it shouldn't have been too difficult to sort them out.

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Re: EH

Post by houseboy » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:32 am

Slurpy wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:37 pm
Parallels
Exactly what I was thinking bud. Both have done marvels for their respective clubs but seem to have lost the plot. Perhaps we should have a kind of wife swap situation for 12 months and see what happens? :lol:

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Re: EH

Post by houseboy » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:37 am

kentonclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:28 pm
Surprising how many posters relish the idea that the football club is being run like a business, except when it comes to the hiring and firing of the manager, who is deemed unsackable no matter how dire the form or the performances of the team, due to the length of his tenure and "credits" in the bank. Now that wouldn't be tolerated in any properly run business.

There does come a point when it proves very difficult for any manager to keep motivating the same group of players.
Great post and the exact point I have been trying to make. If you work in any industry the bosses will not put up with sh!te for too long, no matter how good you have been in the past. I'm not convinced Dyche should go but the apologists seem to think he should have a job for life no matter how bad things get, and that is just not how business works.

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Re: EH

Post by ZizkovClaret » Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:39 am

I cant help but feel if Dyche had EH's budget we would be comfortably mid table

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Post by Steve1956 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:26 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:32 am
Exactly what I was thinking bud. Both have done marvels for their respective clubs but seem to have lost the plot. Perhaps we should have a kind of wife swap situation for 12 months and see what happens? :lol:
Howe ? Wife swapping? She will never put up with that shite.

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Re: EH

Post by houseboy » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:59 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:26 pm
Howe ? Wife swapping? She will never put up with that shite.
Depends how long they've been married mate, things do get stale (or so I'm told). :? :? :?

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Re: EH

Post by houseboy » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:01 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:39 am
I cant help but feel if Dyche had EH's budget we would be comfortably mid table
To be honest I would like to think higher, but who knows. :D

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Re: EH

Post by Spijed » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:25 pm

Wonder if he's ready to walk away?

"Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe says he will "have to reflect on" whether he is "doing well enough"

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Re: EH

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:31 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:37 am
Great post and the exact point I have been trying to make. If you work in any industry the bosses will not put up with sh!te for too long, no matter how good you have been in the past. I'm not convinced Dyche should go but the apologists seem to think he should have a job for life no matter how bad things get, and that is just not how business works.
Who do you know who thinks Dyche should have a job for life ?
Dyche has said from virtually day one there will be a point when it will end.
I don’t know one single person who has said he should be here for ever...or even as long as he wants to be here.

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Re: EH

Post by houseboy » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:06 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:31 pm
Who do you know who thinks Dyche should have a job for life ?
Dyche has said from virtually day one there will be a point when it will end.
I don’t know one single person who has said he should be here for ever...or even as long as he wants to be here.
I think you know what I mean bud. Realistically we all know it will end one day but it has always been assumed that he will leave of his own accord to a 'better' job, and I think that is also what Dyche meant, but on here there APPEAR to be those who will stick with him through thick and (at the moment mainly) thin because of his past achievements. What they seem to think is that he is unsackable and that is not true of anyone. I have even said myself in the past that he has a job for life (yes guilty) but things said in the euphoria of (relative) success sometimes come back to bite you. I desperately want Dyche to turn things around, both for his own good and that of the club, but at the moment his complete refusal to experiment to see if it works is just not good enough. If we really only have the dozen or so players he starts with every game (when fit) then we have a major problem with staffing levels. Whatever problem he has with Vydra surely playing him on Saturday would have been better than playing with one striker when we have had enough trouble scoring with two. This is even worse when we play the way we do. I don't have a major problem with the long ball game if it's working but playing it with one striker up front is asking for trouble.

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Re: EH

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:22 pm

Howe won't leave Bournemouth, if they sack him he'll just drive to the ground every day and sit in his car in the car park.
Crying.

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Post by IanMcL » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:52 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:31 pm
Who do you know who thinks Dyche should have a job for life ?
Dyche has said from virtually day one there will be a point when it will end.
I don’t know one single person who has said he should be here for ever...or even as long as he wants to be here.
Well I would subscribe to a long, long, long time!
It would be vital that the chairman and manager remain as one and that there is something to work towards. No one wants a job where the mandate is, "Same again".

The entire infrastructure of club and town could be designed to prosper. I think our youth policy is probably the key, together with plucking players from others and making them better.

I think we might reach a cup final too!

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Re: EH

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:55 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:06 pm
I think you know what I mean bud. Realistically we all know it will end one day but it has always been assumed that he will leave of his own accord to a 'better' job, and I think that is also what Dyche meant, but on here there APPEAR to be those who will stick with him through thick and (at the moment mainly) thin because of his past achievements. What they seem to think is that he is unsackable and that is not true of anyone. I have even said myself in the past that he has a job for life (yes guilty) but things said in the euphoria of (relative) success sometimes come back to bite you. I desperately want Dyche to turn things around, both for his own good and that of the club, but at the moment his complete refusal to experiment to see if it works is just not good enough. If we really only have the dozen or so players he starts with every game (when fit) then we have a major problem with staffing levels. Whatever problem he has with Vydra surely playing him on Saturday would have been better than playing with one striker when we have had enough trouble scoring with two. This is even worse when we play the way we do. I don't have a major problem with the long ball game if it's working but playing it with one striker up front is asking for trouble.
That’s the second time today you have told me what I think !!
I don’t know what you mean - I have heard Dyche say to me and a few others at the new training ground in a presentation he gave to us that there is every chance that at some point the fans could easily get sick of him - and he often references that period at the start of his tenure when fans were not happy with him.
I also don’t go with this thing that people often post on this board that some fans think he is bomb proof and beyond criticism - again I don’t know any fans who think, believe or have ever said that.

Personally I just think he deserves a bit more time and respect that he is getting at the moment from some fans and I also think the same about the board - to reference your post on the other thread. To say they are running the club on a shoestring and that they haven’t spent money etc is in my view just completely wrong and over the top. Like Dyche the board have made mistakes but they have got a hell of a lot right more than wrong and unlike many other clubs and owners they have not taken a penny out of the hundreds of millions we have had in revenue (look what Blackpool did) and neither have they done what a lot of other owners do which is “invest” by pumping money into the club but then charging tens of millions in interest on those loans. Again I think the board deserve a bit more respect than they are getting from some fans as they also took over the club in a pretty perilous position not that long ago.

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Re: EH

Post by houseboy » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:40 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:55 pm
That’s the second time today you have told me what I think !!
I don’t know what you mean - I have heard Dyche say to me and a few others at the new training ground in a presentation he gave to us that there is every chance that at some point the fans could easily get sick of him - and he often references that period at the start of his tenure when fans were not happy with him.
I also don’t go with this thing that people often post on this board that some fans think he is bomb proof and beyond criticism - again I don’t know any fans who think, believe or have ever said that.

Personally I just think he deserves a bit more time and respect that he is getting at the moment from some fans and I also think the same about the board - to reference your post on the other thread. To say they are running the club on a shoestring and that they haven’t spent money etc is in my view just completely wrong and over the top. Like Dyche the board have made mistakes but they have got a hell of a lot right more than wrong and unlike many other clubs and owners they have not taken a penny out of the hundreds of millions we have had in revenue (look what Blackpool did) and neither have they done what a lot of other owners do which is “invest” by pumping money into the club but then charging tens of millions in interest on those loans. Again I think the board deserve a bit more respect than they are getting from some fans as they also took over the club in a pretty perilous position not that long ago.
You DID know what I mean and you are arguing for the sake of it. You knew exactly what I meant but you chose to put your own spin on it for the sake of argument. People write things on here and are sometimes GENERAL more than LITERAL, if you choose to take it with some kind of childlike simplicity then that is your right. What he has said to you I'm not privy to but on here, for absolute certain, some come accross as thinking he is fireproof. To deny that suggests that you are only part reading things or are reading what you want to read as opposed to what is written. As far as giving him more time have I said he should go? I have continually said the opposite, but he has a shelf life like any other manager and he cannot be given too long just because he has done things in the past.

As far as the board are concerned yes they have done a great job up to now but they will have to have a completely different mindset if they wish to continue as a PL club because by PL standards we are being run on a shoestring, at best. Maybe that is all we can do, if so maybe we are a Championship club out of water, I don't know.

Dyche for me still has some credit in his 'loyalty bank' but that credit is fast running low unless he tries to do something different, because what he is doing now, which he seems totally unwilling to change, is simply not working. It's fine to say look at what he did last season or even earlier this season but the fact is, as has been pointed out all over the place, we have been found out, managers have finally sussed out how to play against our rather one dimensional approach and the only person who can't seem to see that yet is the main man himself. Give him some time and hope he can work something out, but it has to start now, from the next game, not in a month or two weeks, now.

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Re: EH

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:54 pm

Ffs Houseboy - calm down !
Of course there are a wide variety of opinions and support for Dyche.
But if you can point to any posters who have not criticised Dyche or the board at some time or other then feel free to name them.
I said I didn’t know what you mean because I know that Dyche has said (not just to me !) a few times in interviews that at some point it will end and that this could easily be because the fans are not happy with him. I’m not putting spin on anything - I’m just telling you facts about what he has said.

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