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Andre Gray

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:15 pm

With him getting very little game time or starts, and with Watford this week getting a new striker from Udinese its rumoured he could be joining Leeds or Forest. Might be the right person for Leeds who have gone through a poor spell recentl. They are also missing a lot of chances

I doubt Watford would loan him to us ???

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:23 pm

I think geography would rule us out. Reckon he'd opt for Leeds after his popstar girlfriend tells him she'd prefer London to Leeds trips.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:28 pm

If they are missing a lot of chances, how would bringing Andre Gray in change that? ;) :lol:
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:31 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:28 pm
If they are missing a lot of chances, how would bringing Andre Gray in change that? ;) :lol:
:lol:

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:32 pm

I'd prefer Gray on a one on one over anyone on our team right now.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Jakubs Tash » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:33 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:23 pm
I think geography would rule us out. Reckon he'd opt for Leeds after his popstar girlfriend tells him she'd prefer London to Leeds trips.
What's the difference between London to Leeds and London to Manchester (Cheshire) trips? I'm not saying I would want him back but fairly certain players prefer to play in the Premier League too.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by bobinho » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:39 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:32 pm
I'd prefer Gray on a one on one over anyone on our team right now.
Depends how long he would have on the ball. If we broke from the half way line and he had possession, by the time he got to the 18 yard line, the ball would still be in the centre circle. Long gone. If he’s running into the ball in or around the 18 yard box and there’s no time to think... yeah, that’s the time for Andre.

I’d love him here again.... if we could play to his strengths. Trouble is those strengths are pretty much nullified at this level.

So that would have to be in the championship. I don’t want that.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:41 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:39 pm
Depends how long he would have on the ball. If we broke from the half way line and he had possession, by the time he got to the 18 yard line, the ball would still be in the centre circle. Long gone. If he’s running into the ball in or around the 18 yard box and there’s no time to think... yeah, that’s the time for Andre.

I’d love him here again.... if we could play to his strengths. Trouble is those strengths are pretty much nullified at this level.

So that would have to be in the championship. I don’t want that.
I think he's better than Jay. I'd sooner have Gray and Wood upfront.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:48 pm

Bobinho-because hes probably still a very decent championship striker with good pace, and can find space (better than Bamford).Did he not score about 25 the year we came up, and that wasn't a full season,plus around 5 assists.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:49 pm

He’s not at Premier League standard. We found that out when he was with us and his time at Watford has reinforced this.

I’d still be very surprised if Watford loaned him out considering the precarious position that they’re in.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by SGr » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:03 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:32 pm
I'd prefer Gray on a one on one over anyone on our team right now.
Good job we only create a one on one opportunity once every 5 games then.

Seriously, purely as an observation: we do not create those sort of chances.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:07 pm

We had their pants down with his sale, not sure he’d be good enough in our team now with our limited midfield supply, his touch has improved tho

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by JohnMac » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:13 pm

Gray will score goals if you play to his strengths but few teams can afford to at this level and he isn't of sufficient quality to do the difficult stuff.

It isn't a slant on him, it's just the facts of playing against International players nearly every week.He will be a real threat in a Championship team.

Anyway he scored against THEM so he doesn't get a slagging from me!

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:19 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:41 pm
I think he's better than Jay. I'd sooner have Gray and Wood upfront.
I think Jays better in most departments to be honest, I’d like to see Gray and Wood though.

Imagine the amounts of offsides though :lol:
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:20 pm

Don’t see any debate on this. Yes he is quick and was good for us but we have hugely upgraded now with Wood, who is a much more complete striker, and jay who has less pace, but much more of a brain and a lot more quality.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by rob63 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:27 pm

SGr wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:03 pm
Good job we only create a one on one opportunity once every 5 games then.

Seriously, purely as an observation: we do not create those sort of chances.
Agree, very rarely do we create that type of chance with how we play

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:29 pm

rob63 wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:27 pm
Agree, very rarely do we create that type of chance with how we play
Not many teams create a lot of one v ones in the Premier League as the standard of defending is high and team’s tend to have a good shape and discipline.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:29 pm

Iloveyoubrady wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:20 pm
Don’t see any debate on this. Yes he is quick and was good for us but we have hugely upgraded now with Wood, who is a much more complete striker, and jay who has less pace, but much more of a brain and a lot more quality.
And wer'e scoring loads of goals.

Aren't we?
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm

He’d absolutely walk into our current starting eleven.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by warksclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:11 pm

The idea does not fill me with enthusiasm-I opened this post more as information for fellow clarets

However there might be a different view on this with one hour to go on transfer deadline day, with our activity having been zilch

For me a replacement striker for Barnes between now and the Norwich game is absolutely essential.What if Jay and Wood are both not available for certain games-it is possible

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:17 pm

I heard he'd broken several bones in his feet from practicing trapping bags of cement :)

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by bfcjg » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:18 pm

Not a patch on Barnes and Wood.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by ksrclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:19 pm

Please no. God no. I can't stand him. A vile entity.

Also, he's sh1t at the level we play at.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:31 pm

Is that the same Barnes that won't be playing again this season?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:33 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:31 pm
Is that the same Barnes that won't be playing again this season?
Why won’t he be playing again this season?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:36 pm

Not with our past recuperation record he won't.

Touch and go til May I reckon.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:38 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:36 pm
Not with our past recuperation record he won't.

Touch and go til May I reckon.
He’s having a hernia operation, as I understand, which is a routine procedure with a short recovery time. Not sure why it should be any longer for an elite athlete receiving the best medical care.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:58 pm

We'll see.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by tim_noone » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:29 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:33 pm
Why won’t he be playing again this season?
I'm guessing he wont....if were in a relegation battle we want some one fit and up to speed not recovering from an operation.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by kentonclaret » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:39 pm

"I heard he'd broken several bones in his feet from practising trapping bags of cement"

Well, I heard he was giving it a Little Mix. :lol:

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by deanothedino » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:49 pm
He’s not at Premier League standard. We found that out when he was with us and his time at Watford has reinforced this.

I’d still be very surprised if Watford loaned him out considering the precarious position that they’re in.
Yep, we found that out when his goals were the main reason we didn’t get relegated.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:29 pm
I'm guessing he wont....if were in a relegation battle we want some one fit and up to speed not recovering from an operation.
If he won’t play again this season then you would have thought we would have postponed the operation until the end of the season. Guessing he’ll be training in 6 weeks and available for selection in 8.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by rob63 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:53 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 pm
If he won’t play again this season then you would have thought we would have postponed the operation until the end of the season. Guessing he’ll be training in 6 weeks and available for selection in 8.
Don't want to worry anyone but didn't Gibson have a hernia op & has had another since & broken down too? Sorry, just putting it out there

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:54 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 pm
Yep, we found that out when his goals were the main reason we didn’t get relegated.
Sam Vokes scored more goals in less starts that season.

Obviously Gray scored a few PL goals for us, as you would expect from a striker, and he was fantastic in our promotion season. But it was clear to me that he was above his level in the Premier League and I’ve seen nothing to suggest otherwise since his transfer to Watford. It would seem that their fans and management share my opinion.
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by deanothedino » Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:55 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 pm
If he won’t play again this season then you would have thought we would have postponed the operation until the end of the season. Guessing he’ll be training in 6 weeks and available for selection in 8.
Why would we postpone it? He’s been crap for months because of the injury. He clearly couldn’t play with it
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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:03 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:55 pm
Why would we postpone it? He’s been crap for months because of the injury. He clearly couldn’t play with it
Dyche obviously thought that an injured Barnes was a better option than Vydra. So if he expects the surgery to keep Barnes out for the season then why would he choose now to have the operation? It makes no sense. They obviously expect him to be fit by the end of the season and recovery from a hernia operation shouldn’t prevent this.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by deanothedino » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:08 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Dyche obviously thought that an injured Barnes was a better option than Vydra. So if he expects the surgery to keep Barnes out for the season then why would he choose now to have the operation? It makes no sense. They obviously expect him to be fit by the end of the season and recovery from a hernia operation shouldn’t prevent this.
Presumably because they’ve either realised he can’t perform with it or because it’s too painful.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:11 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:08 pm
Presumably because they’ve either realised he can’t perform with it or because it’s too painful.
Or they had planned the operation around a tough run of fixtures with an eye on getting Barnes available for the run in. Not sure why you think a hernia operation would keep him out for 4 months?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:12 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:41 pm
I think he's better than Jay. I'd sooner have Gray and Wood upfront.
Nah! :roll:

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by deanothedino » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:17 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:11 pm
Or they had planned the operation around a tough run of fixtures with an eye on getting Barnes available for the run in. Not sure why you think a hernia operation would keep him out for 4 months?
I haven’t said it will (others have but not me). I just think you saying they’d postpone it until the end of the season is ridiculous.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:21 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:17 pm
I haven’t said it will (others have but not me). I just think you saying they’d postpone it until the end of the season is ridiculous.
Not as ridiculous as the suggestion that the club would wait until the recovery period for the operation is the same duration as the rest of the season, thus rendering him useless.

He should comfortably be fit to feature again this season.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:33 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm
He’d absolutely walk into our current starting eleven.
So why isn't he walking into Watford's?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by icu81b4 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:48 pm

Glad when he left, hope he never returns.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by scouseclaret » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:39 am

Heard worse shouts. He’d add some much-needed pace time the team if nothing else.

Reckon hell will freeze over before Pearson loans us a player though.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by tim_noone » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:43 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:39 am
Heard worse shouts. He’d add some much-needed pace time the team if nothing else.

Reckon hell will freeze over before Pearson loans us a player though.
They'd only sit on the bench.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by chipbutty » Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:54 am

Can someone please bump this thread up in 6 weeks time so we can see how the post op recovery time argument is going/

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:50 am

If it’s a standard Hernia opp he will absolutely be back training in 6 weeks, providing it is a success as they usually are.

I’m happy to put my cock on the block and say he will play again this season, I hope he can’t get a game though as it will mean Jay & Wood are scoring

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:58 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:33 pm
So why isn't he walking into Watford's?
They have better players than us, such as Deulofeu flanking Deeney.

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by bobinho » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:18 am

deanothedino wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:46 pm
Yep, we found that out when his goals were the main reason we didn’t get relegated.
9 wasn’t it?

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Re: Andre Gray

Post by bobinho » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:21 am

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:58 pm
He’d absolutely walk into our current starting eleven.
Mate, Lionel Messi wouldn’t walk into our current starting eleven... :roll:

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