UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:24 pm

That's irrelevant, he shouldn't be in a position where an opposing player can make that challenge in our half. Him and Westwood have cost us goals from those positions.

How can it be irrelevant ? He was fouled and if he would not have been fouled he would have got away from his man.
I know that they have cost us goals this year but that happens with every single team...midfielders often receive the balls in very difficult positions where sometimes they choose to run with the ball rather than pass it even if this is in their own half (it was near the half way line)
Of course that means they can get tackled and put their team in trouble but are there any midfielders in the league who are not trying the same thing near the halfway line at some point in the game as when you do succeed and run away from the player it will often mean that you have an extra player in midfield.
In the case yesterday Cork was fouled so its completely relevant to conceding the first goal yesterday.

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:24 pm

That's irrelevant, he shouldn't be in a position where an opposing player can make that challenge in our half. Him and Westwood have cost us goals from those positions.

So, none of our players can be in the centre circle where someone can lunge in from behind and foul them? Okay. I'm not sure that's workable to be honest.

I've said I think Mee should be rested/dropped.

He looks off the pace, and when he makes a mistake it costs us - Which isn't necessary his fault but more luck... but it seems to happen a lot.
I, like many/most others, love Ben Mee and I find it sad I'm saying take him out of the team, but it seems like there is no competition for the centre half positions which can't be a good thing (£15m for Gibson?).

All that said, we won with him as captain... what more do we want haha
Also those that say Jack Cork for captain? No thanks. He may have given the ball away a few times yesterday, but I thought he was better than normal - I'd rather he lose the ball at times than the usual non-effective running alongside play he does... he'd make a great ref

Evans, who is apparently worth a fortune, missed his fairly straightforward clearance and Westwood scored the winner. Other than that he was very good. Even really good players sometimes make mistakes. Just saying like!

Mee’s form has been a concern but our squad has much greater needs to address.

Recruitment.

Don't spend a record fee on a position where you are in need of another "just in case" back up. A left sided Kev Long type. 3M should do it. We did it with Pieters who did OK while Charlie was injured.

If you are going to plunk 15M on a player, then they should damn well be starting. Don't understand the Gibson signing at all - unless, of course, we thought Ben Mee was off at the time, which we are told he wasn't.

The way we play makes defenders more prone to mistakes than other teams but it also allows them to shine too.

With Mee though it's his lack of pace, technique and sometimes height that gets him in to trouble. It's fair to say that Keane and now Tarkowski made less mistakes on average for us, but then again they are less likely to have their head on the line when it matters.

If Gibson isn't an upgrade which Dyche clearly feels is the case then I'm not sure any player we sign will be.

Bump

90 million Maguire or Ben Mee - absolutely immense from Ben tonight and another assist to boot

10

Wish we’d played Gibson tonight we would have won by more. Mee would definitely not get in any other premier league team would he!?

MOM tonight

Outstanding young man!

A great performance from Ben tonight. Hopefully, it’s all clicking back into place for a good rest-of-the-season.

Yet somehow Pope got “Budweiser MOM” with 44% of the votes despite not having anything much to do

Outstanding tonight. And I’m not sure he was our best defender.

Immense tonight.

The positioning of the entire defence was superb all night and made sure nobody got exposed to pace.

Where are the doubters now? What a colossal performance!

fungus_the_bogeyman wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:29 pm

Where are the doubters now? What a colossal performance!

Thinking of someone/something else to moan about?

Thought Taylor and Tarks immense too

Thought Taylor and Tarks immense too

as defenders I'd take Tarks, Mee and Taylor long before Maguire, Jones and Shaw

Ben lead by example tonight! Thought the back 4 were solid as a whole with Ben martialing in the middle. Silenced the critics till the next time he makes an error I guess....

I just said to my fellow Burnley supporting brother in law down here in Colchester "I would love to ask Rio Ferdinand who he would rather have out of both teams on tonights showing for a starting 11" I reckon only 4 would get a look in

and none of their defenders other than maybe Fat head Harry on the bench for us

Well played Ben ..a colossus tonight...Burnley to his core.

Ben Mee Had a great game tonight just like he had a shite game on Sunday.

Yeah, but he wouldn't get in to another PL team though?

Right_winger will be absolutely distraught tonight after an amazing performance. Funny how stupid you can look when you comment in a knee jerk fashion. Ben Mee needs to stay at Burnley. Feckin love this guy!

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:35 pm

Ben Mee Had a great game tonight just like he had a shite game on Sunday.

But still had an assist in the equaliser...well played ben on Sunday

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:35 pm

Ben Mee Had a great game tonight just like he had a shite game on Sunday.

Did he really have a shite game on Sunday?

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:28 pm

Yet somehow Pope got “Budweiser MOM”

someone’s been on the beer!

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:35 pm

Ben Mee Had a great game tonight just like he had a shite game on Sunday.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:37 pm

Did he really have a shite game on Sunday?

I thought so. Partly at fault for a goal, conceded a pen and lucky not to concede another.

At least one Man Utd fan on Redcafe would like to swap Mee for Maguire.

(If you thought our site was manically depressed after Villa, you need to take a look at this one!)

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:40 pm

I thought so. Partly at fault for a goal, conceded a pen and lucky not to concede another.

He wasn’t at fault for the goal. He was left 1 v 1 against a much quicker player running directly at the centre of the goal.

The penalty he conceded arguably saved us a goal, and was won with a good piece of skill.

The penalty he was ‘lucky not to concede’ blocked a goalbound shot.

So arguably, Mee saved 2 goals and assisted one. It wasn’t his best game but calling his performance shite is exaggerating.

Immense tonight, commentary on NBC crediting him for such a strong performance after an indifferent game against Leicester.

4 out of the back 5 were immense in everything they did. Charlie Taylor outstanding again. Lowton lacking confidence but he contributed and I thought hendrick doubled up well to provide him some support.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:42 pm

He wasn’t at fault for the goal. He was left 1 v 1 against a much quicker player running directly at the centre of the goal.

The penalty he conceded arguably saved us a goal, and was won with a good piece of skill.

The penalty he was ‘lucky not to concede’ blocked a goalbound shot.

So arguably, Mee saved 2 goals and assisted one. It wasn’t his best game but calling his performance shite is exaggerating.

.......Think I’ve worked out what name Alastair Campbell posts under.

It’s ok to say he was a bit crap from time to time you know.

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:47 pm

.......Think I’ve worked out what name Alastair Campbell posts under.

It’s ok to say he was a bit crap from time to time you know.

He hasn’t been ‘a bit crap though’. Stop being a massive trumpet.

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:47 pm

.......Think I’ve worked out what name Alastair Campbell posts under.

It’s ok to say he was a bit crap from time to time you know.

I didn’t think he was particularly crap against Leicester - if I did I would say so. I thought he was perhaps a little below par but that’s it. He was up against some very tricky customers and as a group we came out on top. For his limitations he’s one of the the most consistent centre backs in the league and we’re lucky to have him.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:48 pm

He hasn’t been ‘a bit crap though’. Stop being a massive trumpet.

He has!

As I say he was very good tonight but he has been poor recently.

Lets compare the 2 captains

Harry Maguire.......Cost a gazillion pounds.....Salary A Lot........Looked like a carthorse..........Ripped by Wood and JRod all night

Ben Mee......Cost nowt......Salary. Earns every penny.......2nd assist in 2 games.........played every PL minute this season.......Respect Ben Mee

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:54 pm

He has!

As I say he was very good tonight but he has been poor recently.

Was it not Ben Mee getting blocks and headers in towards the end of the 2nd half against Leicester? You maybe need to rephrase what you are saying as he certainly hasn’t been ‘poor’.

Cant be arsed arguing. We have different opinions, move on.

It might also be worth mentioning that he won the header against Matic for Wood's goal, even though Matic is four or five inches taller and a stone and a half heavier. The commentators mentioned that Burnley have big players to aim for when taking free kicks and corners - but if they looked properly,. they would see that Mee is one of the smaller centre halves in the league.

No problem with different opinions, just the ones who have an agenda to bestow on us.

Fantastic tonight. Deserved MoM

Can’t argue with that performance tonight was excellent. Well done.

MOM for me I’d have to give it to Charlie Taylor as he was our main threat going forward and done a lot of unsung defensive donkey work aswell.

Right_winger wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:03 am

Can’t argue with that performance tonight was excellent. Well done.

MOM for me I’d have to give it to Charlie Taylor as he was our main threat going forward and done a lot of unsung defensive donkey work aswell.

He was brilliant tonight, as were the entire backline.

And for the people that want Ben Mee out of the side, if they still exist: today is what the defence looks like without Ben Mee.

Will his testimonial be based on the start of his loan or when he signed permanent?
Dig deep boys, he’s earned it.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:29 pm

Will his testimonial be based on the start of his loan or when he signed permanent?
Dig deep boys, he’s earned it.

Kevin Long is due one first.