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Charlie Taylor

Post by claretcarrot93 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:53 am

Cant be far off the England squad. Quality player

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:56 am

That last ditched tackle was something else. I actually shouted and cheered louder than a goal.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:59 am

He does so much good work in the heart of our defence SD might have been right when he said he could play CH.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:02 am

Can't believe he's been left out at times this season,one of the first names on teamsheet for me,thank you Leeds

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by LoveCurryPies » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:12 am

I watched on BT Sport and they showed a stat that said (I think this is correct) 65% of our foreword movement was up the left side, with only 15% up the right side. I guess the positive figure is due to Taylor and McNeill, however I did think we have to improve down the right. Bardsley and Gudmundsson seem to be a bit more aggressive when they play.

I am not very knowledgeable about football, but personally I think we were more successful when we passed the ball, rather than the 50/50 chance of long balls or headers.

Anyhow, it was a terrific night and all deserve praise!

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:16 am

He’s absolutely superb and has been for quite some time now.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Right_winger » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:17 am

I thought he was the MOM last night. Put in a great shift and effective at both ends of the pitch.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by burnleymik » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:17 am

One of our best players now. Really grown into the team. That tackle on Martial was absolutely perfect.
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by maccclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:26 am

LoveCurryPies wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:12 am
I watched on BT Sport and they showed a stat that said (I think this is correct) 65% of our foreword movement was up the left side, with only 15% up the right side. I guess the positive figure is due to Taylor and McNeill, however I did think we have to improve down the right. Bardsley and Gudmundsson seem to be a bit more aggressive when they play.
I suspect that Lowton and Hendrick had been instructed to stay deep to nullify the threat from Williams and James, who were dangerous on the Turf. Jeff basically went and stood in front of Williams every time he got the ball. Good setup by the coaches to make up for us being less skilful on our right.

I thought Taylor had an excellent game though.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by houseboy » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:28 am

The tackle he made was also very brave, could have been a penalty if he hadn't got it inch perfect. Credit to Martial though for not crying for a penalty like many would.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:31 am

One thing about the right side, is that due to Taylor and McNeil on the left, there has to be a balance. If you have both sides pushing up it can leave you exposed.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by IanMcL » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:06 am

Super defending and attacking. Great energy.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by SalisburyClaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:12 am

I like Charlie and that tackle was superb and his overall game last night was excellent. There is a but though - he will always be hampered as he has no right foot at all, he was also frequently beaten by Wan Bissaka in the first half last night, that lead to a number of chances for them. I think England is a long way off but would love to be wrong
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Blackrod » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:29 am

Very assured display from the off. Great game.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by thelifeofbrian » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:07 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:12 am
I like Charlie and that tackle was superb and his overall game last night was excellent. There is a but though - he will always be hampered as he has no right foot at all, he was also frequently beaten by Wan Bissaka in the first half last night, that lead to a number of chances for them. I think England is a long way off but would love to be wrong

MMhh- Wank bissaka did get a few crosses in from the left but i wouldn't say he frequently beat Taylor, I thought Taylor did a really really good job of defending and offering support going forward- hes loks very assured and composed at this level............ Its his composure that stands him out from other Burnley players IMO>

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by jollyjack » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:11 am

CT was the reason all Uniteds forays down the left came to a halt and went inside, making them generally play narrow against our 2 CBs. Noted on commentary how narrow they were last night. Suits us all day long.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Burypaddy » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:19 am

Had an excellent game last night and gives us that attacking threat which in turn restricts their full back. He is fast becoming a class act and if maguire is an england international then there is hope for anyone.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by claretcarrot93 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:32 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:12 am
I like Charlie and that tackle was superb and his overall game last night was excellent. There is a but though - he will always be hampered as he has no right foot at all, he was also frequently beaten by Wan Bissaka in the first half last night, that lead to a number of chances for them. I think England is a long way off but would love to be wrong
I think you are confusing him with McNeil. Wan Bissaka never went past him once.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Murger » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:50 pm

Wheres hibsclaret?
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Belial » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:55 pm

Was excellent last night, and has been for the most part in each game he's played - but I don't think he's anywhere near the England team just yet

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:39 pm

I rated him 9.
He’s our most improved player by far.
The tackle was sublime.
He is very quick.

But:
Contrary to an opinion on the ratings thread he is not better than John Angus or Alex Elder. That is ridiculous beyond belief kind of like saying Wood or Barnes are better than Ray Pointer......
He also lets crosses in too easily at times for me...this could easily have lead to Man U scoring first last night and possibly a different result (this is why I gave him 9 and not 10)
He is not international class yet...but if he keeps improving you never know

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:57 pm

Tarks mentions him specifically in his post match interview on the official site, well worth a watch

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Reckoner » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:19 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:39 pm
I rated him 9.
He’s our most improved player by far.
The tackle was sublime.
He is very quick.

But:
Contrary to an opinion on the ratings thread he is not better than John Angus or Alex Elder. That is ridiculous beyond belief kind of like saying Wood or Barnes are better than Ray Pointer......
He also lets crosses in too easily at times for me...this could easily have lead to Man U scoring first last night and possibly a different result (this is why I gave him 9 and not 10)
He is not international class yet...but if he keeps improving you never know
None of the team from the sixties would get in a League One team these days the fitness and skill levels are totally different. Not saying they wouldn't if they had the benefit of today's training and facilities etc as they would have comparable skills to develop - but as a straight comparison they wouldn't have a chance. You only need to watch a full game from past decades to see how slow and lacking in skill most of the players were comparatively.

They stood out compared to others in that era but the rest is nostalgia.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:21 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:19 pm
None of the team from the sixties would get in a League One team these days the fitness and skill levels are totally different. Not saying they wouldn't if they had the benefit of today's training and facilities etc as they would have comparable skills to develop - but as a straight comparison they wouldn't have a chance. You only need to watch a full game from past decades to see how slow and lacking in skill most of the players were comparatively.

They stood out compared to others in that era but the rest is nostalgia.
Nostalgia ? We still haven't replaced John Deary !
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by KRBFC » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:37 pm

Hopefully we can find a right back of similar quality and our back 5 will be finished for the next 4 years at least

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Hibsclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:38 pm

Reckoner wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:19 pm
None of the team from the sixties would get in a League One team these days the fitness and skill levels are totally different. Not saying they wouldn't if they had the benefit of today's training and facilities etc as they would have comparable skills to develop - but as a straight comparison they wouldn't have a chance. You only need to watch a full game from past decades to see how slow and lacking in skill most of the players were comparatively.

They stood out compared to others in that era but the rest is nostalgia.
Nonsense. So how about George Best, Pele etc. If anything it is harder doing some of the stuff they did on poor quality pitches etc. Just because they play in different eras doesn’t make them lower standard now...sorry but that is just rubbish.
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by ClaretRock » Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:45 pm

He is Excellent for us. That tackle on Martial...! Not sure how he would be with another center half next to him as it does look like Mee is constantly talking to him when I've been watching them and some of these big time England players don't seem to do much of that judging from last night. Current form though he definitely should be considered by Southgate.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Dy1geo » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:05 pm

Thought his “yellow card for the team” when he stopped Greenwood was worth some praise as well because if he was thinking of himself and not stopped Greenwood he would probably have scored and there would have been a nervous ending,

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Reckoner » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:07 pm

Hibsclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:38 pm
Nonsense. So how about George Best, Pele etc. If anything it is harder doing some of the stuff they did on poor quality pitches etc. Just because they play in different eras doesn’t make them lower standard now...sorry but that is just rubbish.
Their basic skill levels are comparable to the best players today but as athletes they are nowhere near. And you look at some of the defending on the clips of Best when he was dribbling, its almost pub league standard. Agree about the quality of pitches (and footballs) though Messi wouldnt be able to do what he does with those.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Reckoner » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:09 pm

Regarding Charlie Taylor I agree with all the praise, seems to be one of our top players almost every game and has done that for the best part of a year.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Stalbansclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:10 pm

I find myself agreeing with krbfc !!...In that I think 4 of our back 5 are absolutely superb and we just need a high quality right back to have an real top quality unit. Charlie Taylor was superb last night , as he so often is, and it was a touch baffling to see Erik the Viking preferred to him earlier in the season. Yes he is one-footed, as is McNeil, but a good lefty is always handy.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by TVC15 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:31 pm

Taylor was injured at the start of the season / pre season and Dyche said was a few weeks behind rest of the team. This is is why Pieters played and because he played well Taylor had to earn his place back which he did.

At no point does that mean SD thought Pieters was a better player than Charlie Taylor.

Nothing to see here - we have a brilliant left back for £7m and a good experienced back up left back for £1.5m. Man City meanwhile have a dodgy left back for £55m and spent another £50m on reserve left backs who Pep doesn’t rate enough to give any of them 2 games in a row !!!

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:35 pm

How long does he have left on his contract?

Has he signed a new one since being here?

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:52 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:35 pm
How long does he have left on his contract?

Has he signed a new one since being here?
2024
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Re: Charlie Taylor

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:55 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:35 pm
How long does he have left on his contract?

Has he signed a new one since being here?
Pretty sure he signed one earlier this season, around the same time as Barnes and Wood.
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:32 pm

Of course he did. Should have remembered that.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:36 pm

Outstanding last night. Simply outstanding.

How good do all our players look when we get the ball down and play. We actually have some real quality, and I'm talking international level quality, in the squad.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Targetman » Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:47 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:31 am
One thing about the right side, is that due to Taylor and McNeil on the left, there has to be a balance. If you have both sides pushing up it can leave you exposed.
Liverpool dont seem to have a problem with both full backs going forward?

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:39 pm

Targetman wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:47 pm
Liverpool dont seem to have a problem with both full backs going forward?
Cool.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by claretspice » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:47 pm

Thought taylor was superb last night although actually I thought that for all the last ditch tackle was wonderful, the opening occurred in the first place because Taylor hadn't tucked in enough.

But that's a minor gripe with what was a quite wonderful performance. Of course hes one footed and occasionally that will get him in trouble, as it did in the reverse game at Burnley . But the composure he showed time and again last night to know Mata was never to close yon down and so take the extra time to find a pass, was first rate.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by dougcollins » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:56 pm

Does anyone seriously think there's any value in comparing Taylor with Alex Elder?

Bonkers.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by rob63 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:51 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:56 pm
Does anyone seriously think there's any value in comparing Taylor with Alex Elder?

Bonkers.
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Bfc » Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:36 am

Reckoned, how can you describe the likes of Jimmy Mc for skill and Ray Pointer for endeavour, not up to the standard of Div 1 players of today. You appear to have never seem them play making a suggestion like that. Pointer always ran tirelessly for 90 mins in a game and scored some goals that appeared to be lost causes doing that. He was the modern striker, in as much as he pressed defences when they were in possession of the ball, which those days wasn’t expected of them.

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:36 am

all before my time, I can tell you he is better than Joe Jakub and Ray Deakin though!
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:52 am

here's hoping that the next young defender we get is given a more understanding development period on here than Taylor was - he was given absolute dog's abuse by some that are now praising him - players need time to adapt/develop - we will never afford the finished article and have to suffer those growing pains with them, but with some understanding
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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:58 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:52 am
here's hoping that the next young defender we get is given a more understanding development period on here than Taylor was - he was given absolute dog's abuse by some that are now praising him - players need time to adapt/develop - we will never afford the finished article and have to suffer those growing pains with them, but with some understanding
so whilst they learn how to get to the level required we all have to learn how to let them do it without giving them grief - sounds fair :D

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by claretcarrot93 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:15 am

Reckon he could be even closer to the England squad now

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by Iloveyoubrady » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:29 am

He’s actually class. Big powerful runner. Offers a great threat down the left, especially linking with McNeil who is less powerful but more skilful. A right footed version wouldn’t be a bad signing...

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Re: Charlie Taylor

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:02 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:52 am
here's hoping that the next young defender we get is given a more understanding development period on here than Taylor was - he was given absolute dog's abuse by some that are now praising him - players need time to adapt/develop - we will never afford the finished article and have to suffer those growing pains with them, but with some understanding
Can never remember Taylor getting any stick ? Certainly not on the ground .Give or take the odd mistake he was up and running pretty quickly imo and has grown into his role really well

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