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South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Milltown1882 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:54 pm

Shame to see Archer injured last minute and Bess left out but hopefully Woakes will come in and make an impact.

Great to see Crawley make a 50 and actually look like a nice start for us at 138-2.

Predictions?

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:00 pm

150/3 Denly gone

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LordBob » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:01 pm

I'm sensing a collapse, hope not be we are England

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:11 pm

Burnley shirt in the crowd. Being shown quite a bit

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LordBob » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:13 pm

This pair need to see the day out, fingers crossed !

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Stokes gone 157/4

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LordBob » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:14 pm

Saying no more

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by tiger76 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:18 pm

Great opening stand,and then it's slipped somewhat,the one criticism of both openers is one of them has to go big,100-150 and bat SA out of the game completely,but it's pleasing that England now have options at the top of the order,in the long term i predict a top 4 of.

Burns
Crawley
Sibley
Root

There is also the chance that young Pope will move up the order,i can't see him batting at 6 for much longer,and Denly won't be around for long,he's done ok at 3 generally,but it's time to give the youngsters a run prior to the next Ashes.

Stokes gone cheaply that's a big wicket for the hosts,what on earth did England have for tea

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:26 pm

More like what did SA have in their tea ?

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Bosscat » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:28 pm

LordBob wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:01 pm
I'm sensing a collapse, hope not be we are England
Bah humbug LB I purposely didn't say owt as I knew I would jinx it :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LordBob » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:52 pm

Landmark 500,000 England test runs, well done.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by FCBurnley » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:53 pm

England just got their 500,000th run in test cricket.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LordBob » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:03 pm

Ah well this is what can happen when you don't include a spin bowler I expect it would have happened to us Root can't bowl at both ends. I think it's been an ok day.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by CleggHall » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:56 pm

Stokes got in a slanging match with a fan as he left the field, bad language he could be in trouble.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by tiger76 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:59 pm

Root/Pope partnership at the end gives England a slight edge,need 350 batting first and given that we bat deep that should be achievable,crucial 1st session tomorrow a couple of quick wickets,and England might struggle to make 300,25 overs until the new ball,England have to cash in before that becomes available.

Pope's temperament impresses me he never seems flustered,Stokes could well find himself in trouble after his verbal altercation with a SA spectator.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Longsidelenny » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:33 pm

Thought it was a bad shot from Ed Sheehan look a like could be in a spot of bother

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:53 pm

LordBob wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:03 pm
Ah well this is what can happen when you don't include a spin bowler I expect it would have happened to us Root can't bowl at both ends. I think it's been an ok day.
South Africa have left their spinner out as well.

The bounciest pitch in world cricket will suit our seam attack, just a shame Archer couldn't bowl on it

Root and Denly are good enough for a few overs of spin each
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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Buxtonclaret » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:13 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:11 pm
Burnley shirt in the crowd. Being shown quite a bit

There were quite a few Manchester United fans around him too.
But the all left early. 8-)

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LeadBelly » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:21 pm

The tabloids are suggesting Stokes told a spectator (who presumably gave him some verbals as he was walking back to the pav having got out) "Say it to me outside the ground you f****** four-eyed c***''."

Obviously he should've kept on walking with his mouth shut but anybody giving a departing batsmen a mouthful deserves a mouthful back IMO. He'll probably get some sort of sanction though - demerit point & fine I guess.

As mentioned, the game is back in the balance after a good England opening partnership gave them an advantage. England could still yet fail to get much past 250 if they lose early wkts tomorrow but could make a decent score if Root/Pope/Butler knuckle down and create some breathing space for the tail to whack a few.
Bookies have 370 as the likeliest score.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:24 pm

Stokes must cop a lot from the crowd.
Wonder what caused that reaction.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:31 pm

LeadBelly wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:21 pm
The tabloids are suggesting Stokes told a spectator (who presumably gave him some verbals as he was walking back to the pav having got out) "Say it to me outside the ground you f****** four-eyed c***''."

Obviously he should've kept on walking with his mouth shut but anybody giving a departing batsmen a mouthful deserves a mouthful back IMO. He'll probably get some sort of sanction though - demerit point & fine I guess.

As mentioned, the game is back in the balance after a good England opening partnership gave them an advantage. England could still yet fail to get much past 250 if they lose early wkts tomorrow but could make a decent score if Root/Pope/Butler knuckle down and create some breathing space for the tail to whack a few.
Bookies have 370 as the likeliest score.
I’ve no problem with giving a batsman a bit of stick whilst hes in bat but I’d never boo a batsman off the pitch, you get the odd drunk idiot doing it at lancs league games but 99% of the time it doesn’t happen and that’s because they know the batsman could get to them.

Cowards trick

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Foulthrow » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:36 pm

Aye. Where's Mark Vermeulen these days? He knew how to deal with heckles....

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Local cricketer » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:52 pm

If you cant take it then dont give it

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:58 am

Bit of a collapse but 350 would be a nice start

Currently 300/7 at lunch

Butler & Woakes in

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by CleggHall » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:40 am

Buttler out slogging again,irresponsible, not a test cricketer?

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Flying Without Ings » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:54 am

Buttler can play when he has his head screwed on, but he's blown too many chances. Time to give Foakes a go.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:08 pm

CleggHall wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:40 am
Buttler out slogging again,irresponsible, not a test cricketer?
He’s keeping out far too many players that deserve a shot

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:20 pm

Wood and Broad going mad here, hitting sixes galore.

361-9

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LeadBelly » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:39 pm

This is how it should be: top 7/8 should get enough runs to enable 9,10, jack to have some fun & entertain the crowd (and pi** off the opposition before they have to bat).

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by conyoviejo » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:45 pm

400 all out.. A nice psychological Scoreline.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:52 pm

No team has ever lost here with a first innings score above 380.

320 would of been enough against this SA side though.

We could roll these out for 180 no problem.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:54 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:52 pm
No team has ever lost here with a first innings score above 380.

320 would of been enough against this SA side though.

We could roll these out for 180 no problem.
I'm not sure they'll even reach 180,72-4 with about 30-40 minutes remaining,another couple tonight and England could be looking at another innings victory.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by tiger76 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:33 pm

88-6 at the close,this SA side have problems,but equally England have been dominant for the last 3 tests,and fully deserve their 3-1 win,which i'm sure they'll complete over the next couple of days,i don't think Root will enforce the follow on if the opportunity arises,there is loads of time left in the match,and the weather's set fair now,also it wouldn't do England's top order any harm if some batters could put more runs on the board,they've generally done well over the piece,but it's still a very inexperienced top 3,and getting some easy runs against a tired dispirited attack will only help their confidence,also the pitch will only get worse so why give SA any route back into the match,wrap up this innings quickly in the morning,and then rack up 250-300 in our 2nd dig,and set them an impossible target.
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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:38 pm

It's a poor South African team to tell the truth.

I think Quinton De Kock would get in any SA side I have seen though.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by tiger76 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:27 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:38 pm
It's a poor South African team to tell the truth.

I think Quinton De Kock would get in any SA side I have seen though.
Amazingly De Kock's the highest run scorer in the series from both teams up to now,however the next 4 are all Englishmen,that's the main reason England are walking the series,despite losing the 1st test,agreed it's a poor SA team,but this series will do England's young players a world of good,as the adage goes you can only beat what's in front of you,and England after their troubles in the 1st test,and the absences due to injury,have responded in fine style,what's impressed me is it's been a collective team effort,and not just brilliant individual performances,every member of the squad has played their part throughout the series.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by box_of_frogs » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:14 am

Great start!

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:23 am

Strange we are not enforcing the follow on

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:33 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:23 am
Strange we are not enforcing the follow on
No, not really. Bat them out of sight to ensure a series win and psychologically depress the opposition. Give the young batters time at the crease to play their own game against international bowling. Give the bowlers time to put their feet up. Allow the pitch to deteriorate and still have plenty of time to bowl a demoralised opponent out.
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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:44 am

and if is pisses down on day 5?

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:48 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:44 am
and if is pisses down on day 5?
........ we win the series 2-1.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:57 am

OK so playing not to lose and maybe win weather permitting

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:04 am

Great to see Mark Wood performing well with the bowl amd the bat. He is a really smashing bloke with no airs or graces and a wicked sense of humour.
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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by IWOODLOVETT » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:12 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:57 am
OK so playing not to lose and maybe win weather permitting
Impossible to lose, unlikely to draw, unlikely to **** down, but VERY likely to win.

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by mdd2 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:16 am

We are only 230-0 at moment, are you sure we cannot lose? :D :D
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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:42 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:04 am
Great to see Mark Wood performing well with the bowl amd the bat. He is a really smashing bloke with no airs or graces and a wicked sense of humour.
Seems one of those blokes you can’t help but love, bet he’s a great laugh on a night out

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by LeadBelly » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:54 pm

No, not really. Bat them out of sight to ensure a series win and psychologically depress the opposition. Give the young batters time at the crease to play their own game against international bowling. Give the bowlers time to put their feet up. Allow the pitch to deteriorate and still have plenty of time to bowl a demoralised opponent out.
Exactly so.
Bat all day if we can, get 400 in front. Bat on tomorrow too, still 2 days left after today. We are up in a series so a draw is no problem (win is better obviously but it's the series that counts).
Try to demoralise the opposition and let the pitch get some wear & tear.
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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:56 pm

And some runs in the batsman that need them, I’d bat to 250-300, we can really accelerate after tea if needs be and fire a quick 100 on, put them in for 10 overs

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:56 pm

What a catch to get Root
248 all out

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:57 pm

466 to win

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Re: South Africa v England 4th Test

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:00 pm

2 days to finish it and win the series, I’d wager we will be done for tea tomorrow based on the way the SA have played with the bat this series

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