And that is why the crowd was 8k

[jrgbfc]

And maybe the club treat the cup with the same contempt as some so called fans do.

Maybe fans are voting with their feet because of all the half arsed cup performances we've had over the last few years?

[Aclaret]

And maybe the club treat the cup with the same contempt as some so called fans do.

And that is why the crowd was 8K.

[cricketfieldclarets]

And maybe the club treat the cup with the same contempt as some so called fans do.

Certainly not in my case until this season.

[cricketfieldclarets]

It would be better if the club and so called super fans just admitted the club don’t care. Because if they do that’s even more worrying.

In eight years we have won THREE Fa cup ties. And two of them were in the same season before being disposed of by Lincoln.

Thankfully I saved my hard earned today and went to the cinema.

[Aclaret]

Thankfully I saved my hard earned today and went to the cinema.
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Me too. 1917, and what a good film it was.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Thankfully I saved my hard earned today and went to the cinema.

Me too. 1917, and what a good film it was.
[/quote]

Must’ve been in the same screen!

At least some battle and passion and money’s worth eh?

[NL Claret]

Maybe some folk are skint as they got their January pay before Christmas or Blame it on the club's attitude towards the FA cup?

Said after the previous round that traditionally season ticket holders can't be bothered paying / going through the hassle of buying tickets for the cup games. Look at United this season for recent cup games v wolves and city. Remember as small kids when we were st holders in the CFS we would be taken on the bee hole for cup games.

It's nothing new and nothing to get excited about/ warrant a 2 page thread.

[dsr]

It's a matter of what we want in football. If we had won today, we would have looked forward to the chance of a Cup run, the probability of boring nothing-much-happening-in the league, and the faint possibility of relegation. Now, we have the probable nothing-much-happening in the league and the faint possibility of relegation.

Yes, I know there is the argument that if we had won today the players might have had to play 17 games in 18 weeks which is far too much football for any man to play.

Yes, I know there is the argument that players are likely to get injured if they play matches which is why Ben Mee (who plays loads of matches and is seldom injured) should not have played to avoid injury, and Ben Gibson (who doesn't play matches and is often injured) should have played - if he hadn't been injured in training again, of course.

But can't we take a chance? Can't we risk the players playing almost a game a week, and risk the players getting injured like they haven't done so many times before, and try and win something? Even if we had won, I would still fancy our chances of getting the 3 or so wins in the last 14 league games that we need.

[FactualFrank]

I’d love to see a cup win, I’ve enjoyed watching us in the premier league but enjoyed watching us in the championship so I’d probably take a cup win over finishing 17th. I was gutted when we were relegated last time but soon got over it , each to their own though, there’s no right and wrong despite what some people believe.

A lot more would take 17th as opposed to going down with the possibility of never coming back up.

[SGr]

Don't disagree - it is why the fans don't turn up. I won't be bothered about this though unless it leads to an effortless performance against Arsenal. Or an as yet undeclared injury.

[Longsidelenny]

just a thought staying in the premiership 120 million or winning the fa cup at tops a million you decide utc

[jrgbfc]

just a thought staying in the premiership 120 million or winning the fa cup at tops a million you decide utc

Maybe some people think football should be about more than having a good balance sheet at the end of the year?

[dsr]

A lot more would take 17th as opposed to going down with the possibility of never coming back up.

Are you implying that if we finish 17th there will be no possibility of going down next year? You seem to be implying that bad things might happen in future if we go down, bu there is no suggestion that bad things may happen in future if we stop up.

Question - has any team that was 7 points clear at this stage, ever made a serious attempt at the Cup but still managed to stop up? I suspect they have. There is no guarantee that playing a full team in the cups means relegation.

[FactualFrank]

Are you implying that if we finish 17th there will be no possibility of going down next year?

No. I'm saying if we finished 17th we wouldn't go down. You can think I'm implying whatever you like.

[Spijed]

Maybe some people think football should be about more than having a good balance sheet at the end of the year?

Tbf, beating Man U on Wednesday will go down as a memorable result in the clubs history, so being in the Premier league can be exciting.

[Bosscat]

Shame we’re out, but (and I hate admitting I feel this way), I just don’t care.

I’d have bit your hand off for this last week of results, going out of a (now) meaningless cup competition that we’d never have won just doesn’t bother me anymore.

Modern football.

Can't help agreeing with you give me a win over Leicester and Manure in the league then going out of a cup I can't get excited about any more to Norwich (or anyone) any day of the week....

Bring on the Arsenil next week lets give the Cockerney Frogs a flattening

[cricketfieldclarets]

just a thought staying in the premiership 120 million or winning the fa cup at tops a million you decide utc

How about both

[jrgbfc]

Tbf, beating Man U on Wednesday will go down as a memorable result in the clubs history, so being in the Premier league can be exciting.

Yeah course it is. Just think that some of our fans get too obsessed with the financial side of things. What made you fall in love with football as a youngster? I'm guessing it wasn't the thought of making big profits every year?

[TsarBomba]

If we’d lost to Leicester and Man U, then I wouldn’t give a monkeys about today. I’d want us to concentrate fully on the PL.

But those 6 points this week should’ve given us more freedom today to go out and play, and build more momentum.

And it was that momentum that got us promoted under Coyle.

[cricketfieldclarets]

Yeah course it is. Just think that some of our fans get too obsessed with the financial side of things. What made you fall in love with football as a youngster? I'm guessing it wasn't the thought of making big profits every year?

Give over. Can’t wait to take my next generation on to see our balance sheets.

[tiger76]

Don't disagree - it is why the fans don't turn up. I won't be bothered about this though unless it leads to an effortless performance against Arsenal. Or an as yet undeclared injury.

Fair assessment the proof of the pudding will be our response in the Arsenal match,the majority of the squad will have had a good break prior to that game,and will benefit from a good break post that game,so there's no excuse for not being motivated and fighting fit to take on the Gunners.

The biggest concern from today is Norwich made 7 changes themselves,and yet they showed far more fluidity in their attacking play,without McNeil we struggled to create much in open play,and our biggest threat came from set-pieces again.

[Blackrod]

I went today but wouldn’t normally for the cup as vowed not to and haven’t after Lincoln. Sad state of affairs really but the fans that stayed away made the right choice. I’d expect lower attendances next season for the cup if Dyche is still here and of course this affects the coffers of the club. It’s always half hearted but some of these players should show an urgency and hunger to play. Brady, Lennon, Long and Vydra didn’t look anywhere near PL standard. I’m not sure I’d fancy Hart in the nets in a PL game anymore. The others looked fairly poor but they did well the other night. We didn’t threaten Norwich anywhere near enough. Just turning up with no intensity to our play isn t really good enough for the prices charged. It wasn’t good value for money.

[AlargeClaret]

Maybe fans are voting with their feet because of all the half arsed cup performances we've had over the last few years?

Or maybe after 2 huge wins in a matter of days most fans felt an “ after the Lord Mayors show “ vibe and just didn’t really fancy a 4th round tie against the worst team/unattractive opposition in the prem and all the ******* about with tickets etc ? No one gives a flying fig about previous cup results ,but the sad fact is that early fa cup ties against non glam clubs will pass many modern fans by

[tim_noone]

And maybe the club treat the cup with the same contempt as some so called fans do.

Tbf......another club devalued the F A Cup years ago. The Rest have followed suit along With the fans.the Contempt lies with Man utd.

[Quickenthetempo]

We were just out footballed today.

Some of the passing and movement by Norwich today was top notch. They played some excellent stuff.

Our game is set up to defend and nick a goal or two, we're out of our comfort zone when we hare supposed to take the game to the opposition.

[Spijed]

we're out of our comfort zone when we hare supposed to take the game to the opposition.

We certainly took the game to Leicester, likewise Man U.

[cricketfieldclarets]

We certainly took the game to Leicester, likewise Man U.

We didn’t. We played exactly how we do. Soak it up. Try Nick one. And make the most of set pieces.

[Spijed]

We didn’t. We played exactly how we do. Soak it up. Try Nick one. And make the most of set pieces.

Our second goals in both matches were fantastic pieces of interplay with multiple players, with great one touch football. Hardly a team who relies purely on set pieces or a mistake by the opposition

[cricketfieldclarets]

Our second goals in both matches were fantastic pieces of interplay with multiple players, with great one touch football. Hardly a team who relies purely on set pieces or a mistake by the opposition

Absolutely. But it was countering. Not taking the game to them. That’s not a criticism. Just a fact. That’s exactly how we should play because that’s what we are great at.

[NL Claret]

Yeah course it is. Just think that some of our fans get too obsessed with the financial side of things. What made you fall in love with football as a youngster? I'm guessing it wasn't the thought of making big profits every year?

Odd thought process to think that. I used to love going the newsagents with my dad to get the FA Cup final programme and sit in front of the TV from noon watching the build up. That's what made me fall in love with the FA cup, no interest in the competition anymore, it's been totally devalued for me. I'm not going to blame Burnley FC for this though.

[Hopey1786]

I hope norwich go all the way

And go.down

[FactualFrank]

Our second goals in both matches were fantastic pieces of interplay with multiple players, with great one touch football. Hardly a team who relies purely on set pieces or a mistake by the opposition

Taking the game to someone is attack-attack-attack. We didn't do that vs Leicester or Man U. In fact, we never do that.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Without doubt the worst thing about trying to have a debate on UTC is the abuse people get when they post anything critical, often wrongly implying nothing positive is ever said by that poster. With the odd exception that is totally wrong. There is plenty of it on this thread. In truth there is a near consensus on the good and bad things.

Things the club are doing well - the balance sheet, a manager good at keeping us up, generally loyal players, a good training ground. Has off to all of the for that.

Things the club aren’t doing well - signings, creative football, investment in facilities for able bodied fans, treating cups like some unwanted dog poo on the bottom of the shoe to be removed at the earliest opportunity.

The above tend to mean the praise and criticism come at certain times each season - January sadly being a certain one for the FA Cup exit. Nothing wrong with well balanced posters like cricketfield airing that annoyance, and Dyche would accept that, especially if he is as honest as he was today, basically saying he would love a cup run but won’t lose sleep over not having one. He’s entitled to say it, and we are entitled to strongly disagree (but at least I haven’t spent another £1,000 to watch us sack a cup off this time).

[cricketfieldclarets]

Without doubt the worst thing about trying to have a debate on UTC is the abuse people get when they post anything critical, often wrongly implying nothing positive is ever said by that poster. With the odd exception that is totally wrong. There is plenty of it on this thread. In truth there is a near consensus on the good and bad things.

Things the club are doing well - the balance sheet, a manager good at keeping us up, generally loyal players, a good training ground. Has off to all of the for that.

Things the club aren’t doing well - signings, creative football, investment in facilities for able bodied fans, treating cups like some unwanted dog poo on the bottom of the shoe to be removed at the earliest opportunity.

The above tend to mean the praise and criticism come at certain times each season - January sadly being a certain one for the FA Cup exit. Nothing wrong with well balanced posters like cricketfield airing that annoyance, and Dyche would accept that, especially if he is as honest as he was today, basically saying he would love a cup run but won’t lose sleep over not having one. He’s entitled to say it, and we are entitled to strongly disagree (but at least I haven’t spent another £1,000 to watch us sack a cup off this time).

Said what I tried to much better. Let’s hope it doesn’t get you your own thread.

[tim_noone]

Our second goals in both matches were fantastic pieces of interplay with multiple players, with great one touch football. Hardly a team who relies purely on set pieces or a mistake by the opposition

Indeed.....But professional analysis of Burnley and set piece moves beg to differ and are of the Opinion we will punish the opposition more often than not.

[Blackrod]

Me too. 1917, and what a good film it was.

Must’ve been in the same screen!

At least some battle and passion and money’s worth eh?
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Wish I’d joined you

[thatdberight]

We certainly took the game to Leicester, likewise Man U.

Winning a game, as fine an achievement as it was, shouldn't be confused with how we won it.

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[Blackrod]

Those numbers look different with Claret tints on.

[Burnleyareback2]

I’d take the week we have had. 3 games in 6 days and 6 points against teams in the top 6.

The lads put a real shift in on Wednesday night from the first minute, not surprised they were knackered less than 72hours later

[RammyClaret61]

I thought the rule of thumb was, you pay your money, you’ve every right to complain. So what’s the op complaining for? He didn’t go.

Just the same with politic, if you didn’t vote, you can’t complain what you get.

[thatdberight]

I thought the rule of thumb was, you pay your money, you’ve every right to complain. So what’s the op complaining for? He didn’t go.

Just the same with politic, if you didn’t vote, you can’t complain what you get.

You're right. Football has simply become a financial transaction. It's no different than shopping at Tesco or Asda.

Bizarrely, it's the fans who seem to see themselves as more dedicated who've bought into the whole transactional nature of it.

[Dark Cloud]

Pretty much every team in the top 2 divisions makes wholesale changes for the cup(s) and we have to be honest and say that the the players we brought in today all have plenty of PL experience and should have been good enough to win the game. The fact that they didn't may have more to do with the whole club and playing squad finding it hard to lift itself after 2 HUGE performances in one week.

[tim_noone]

I thought the rule of thumb was, you pay your money, you’ve every right to complain. So what’s the op complaining for? He didn’t go.

Just the same with politic, if you didn’t vote, you can’t complain what you get.

I only saw praise for the bank balance...

[FactualFrank]

I thought the rule of thumb was, you pay your money, you’ve every right to complain. So what’s the op complaining for? He didn’t go.

Just the same with politic, if you didn’t vote, you can’t complain what you get.

In that case, don't let me ever say the rule of thumb again!

[Row Z]

The thing I don't get with our cup performances is the resistance to playing any of the U23 squad or younger inexperienced players who are more likely to be hungry to impress. I know it's useful game time to keep players outside our starting 11 fit, but it's also a great opportunity for BPF and Kioki to get on the pitch in competitive games with very little expectation.

I'm sure Dyche has his reasons, and if we got heavily beaten then he may look to the negative consequences on these player's confidence, but as other posters have said, I cannot see the logic of playing Hart (and others) in these fixtures where Dyche is obviously not too concerned over defeat. Bringing Pieters on as LM against P'boro was a prime example.

[fidelcastro]

I thought the rule of thumb was, you pay your money, you’ve every right to complain. So what’s the op complaining for? He didn’t go.

Just the same with politic, if you didn’t vote, you can’t complain what you get.

He's also claimed elsewhere that he’s not bothered and that's why he didn't go... but he's still started a thread about it.

[fidelcastro]

Bringing Pieters on as LM against P'boro was a prime example.

He didn't though.

[FactualFrank]

The thing I don't get with our cup performances is the resistance to playing any of the U23 squad or younger inexperienced players who are more likely to be hungry to impress. I know it's useful game time to keep players outside our starting 11 fit, but it's also a great opportunity for BPF and Kioki to get on the pitch in competitive games with very little expectation.

I'm sure Dyche has his reasons, and if we got heavily beaten then he may look to the negative consequences on these player's confidence, but as other posters have said, I cannot see the logic of playing Hart (and others) in these fixtures where Dyche is obviously not too concerned over defeat. Bringing Pieters on as LM against P'boro was a prime example.

Player morale. At the end of the day it isn't Football Manager and you have to talk and deal with people day in - day out.

[Row Z]

He didn't though.

You are correct, it should have read pushing Pieters up to LM.

[Row Z]

Player morale. At the end of the day it isn't Football Manager and you have to talk and deal with people day in - day out.

Agreed, but you also have to provide young players who are performing well, albeit at U23 level, a route into the first team. Even giving them time from the bench doesn't seem to be an option in these games.

McNeil flourished as a result of injuries to others.