And that is why the crowd was 8k

[Hibsclaret]

Winning a game, as fine an achievement as it was, shouldn't be confused with how we won it.
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Lies and statistics. We have often faced north of 20 shots in games away at big sides. Considering what they pay for strikers they don’t half have a bad conversion rate. We never really looked in too much trouble and yet the stats say we were pummelled. We totally controlled the game from when the first goal went in at Man U....

[Wile E Coyote]

the FA CUP is a waste of time, and for teams like us a pointless distraction.
Paul weller on radio lancs this aft said if teams could opt out, there'd be a few who would. I totally agree.

[cricketfieldclarets]

I thought the rule of thumb was, you pay your money, you’ve every right to complain. So what’s the op complaining for? He didn’t go.

Just the same with politic, if you didn’t vote, you can’t complain what you get.

Equally as you didn’t go. You can’t comment. That’s how it works right?

[cricketfieldclarets]

He's also claimed elsewhere that he’s not bothered and that's why he didn't go... but he's still started a thread about it.

You can interpret it how you want. But that’s not what I said. I am bothered. It’s the first cup game I’ve missed in eight years aside from Athens away.

[FactualFrank]

Agreed, but you also have to provide young players who are performing well, albeit at U23 level, a route into the first team. Even giving them time from the bench doesn't seem to be an option in these games.
McNeil flourished as a result of injuries to others.

It's a balancing act. I think overall, we're doing that pretty well.

[RammyClaret61]

Equally as you didn’t go. You can’t comment. That’s how it works right?

.. and I’ve not commented on the game.

[cricketfieldclarets]

.. and I’ve not commented on the game.

I wasn’t being entirely serious. Because if I was that would be a stupid suggestion.

You are entitled to your opinion on the game. Even if you have watched it from the other side of the world on tv.

[Top Claret]

Personally couldn't give a toss about the Fa Cup and no doubt the same applies to the majority of Premier league clubs.
I would much rather we lost to Norwich in a 4th round Cup tie and took 6 points of them in the league.

The Premier league is worth 100 million a season and the Fa cup diddly squat, so why is everyone getting worked up about it.

The cup lost its magic years ago and now only means something to the Lower league clubs. We now have bigger fish to fry and that is wear our priorities and planning lie

[Ashingtonclaret46]

We lost a game of football against another PL team in front of 8,071 fans who could be bothered to attend and support their respective teams --such is life.
Newcastle were playing against a League One team. Oxford, in a cup that nobody is interested in and yet 52,221 fans turned up to watch them draw 0-0.
They offered various incentives in the hope that fans would turn up to support their team, it certainly worked, however, because of the result, they will now have 6 times more fans moaning than we have and the management is moaning about having to replay during their winter break!

Since the PL came into being there have only been Eveton, Wigan and Portsmouth from outside the 'top six' who have won the FA Cup and Wigan were relegated that season.
Spurs have never appeared in a final during this era, however, the other five 'top teams' have won 25 of the 28 finals played and also been the losers in 12 finals.

Believe it or believe it not ---It's only a game and you have a free choice whether or not you attend, no matter what anyone else says. Enjoy!

[Granny WeatherWax]

You can interpret it how you want. But that’s not what I said. I am bothered. It’s the first cup game I’ve missed in eight years aside from Athens away.

Part timer. Only the proper fans were in Athens.

[enduroclaret]

I'm a season ticket holder that didn't go.
I'd have been more inclined to attend if we'd have played some of our younger players under development, rather than showcasing our poor signings.

[MT03ALG]

Unfortunately we have lost all the momentum gained by the two great victories of the past week. We should have played the same team as against Man Utd. to keep the momentum going and to give ourselves half a chance of winning the only competition we could win. We now go into the Arsenal game having lost our last game and having lost the momentum gained during the past week.

[Blackrod]

The best thing about yesterday was getting a bit of fresh air. If it’s free next year for cup games I’ll be going for a walk instead though. I can see less and less fans wanting to watch these games that are played like pre season friendlies. In fact I’ve seen more intensity in some of them historically.

[jrgbfc]

We lost a game of football against another PL team in front of 8,071 fans who could be bothered to attend and support their respective teams --such is life.
Newcastle were playing against a League One team. Oxford, in a cup that nobody is interested in and yet 52,221 fans turned up to watch them draw 0-0.
They offered various incentives in the hope that fans would turn up to support their team, it certainly worked, however, because of the result, they will now have 6 times more fans moaning than we have and the management is moaning about having to replay during their winter break!

Since the PL came into being there have only been Eveton, Wigan and Portsmouth from outside the 'top six' who have won the FA Cup and Wigan were relegated that season.
Spurs have never appeared in a final during this era, however, the other five 'top teams' have won 25 of the 28 finals played and also been the losers in 12 finals.

Believe it or believe it not ---It's only a game and you have a free choice whether or not you attend, no matter what anyone else says. Enjoy!

Would it not be enjoyable to just have a run to the final though? Off the top of my head Hull, Southampton, Villa, Watford and Palace have all managed it in recent years. Hull and Palace were even a bit unlucky not to win it.

[claret2018]

Would it not be enjoyable to just have a run to the final though? Off the top of my head Hull, Southampton, Villa, Watford and Palace have all managed it in recent years. Hull and Palace were even a bit unlucky not to win it.

With our squad, absolutely not. We are 1 or 2 injuries away from almost certain relegation

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Would it not be enjoyable to just have a run to the final though? Off the top of my head Hull, Southampton, Villa, Watford and Palace have all managed it in recent years. Hull and Palace were even a bit unlucky not to win it.

I would enjoy it, even if it were only for the scramble for tickets from those who couldn't be arsed turning up for games like yesterday and who will claim that they never miss a game and it's not fair etc., etc. ad nauseam!

[Spijed]

With our squad, absolutely not. We are 1 or 2 injuries away from almost certain relegation

Give over. We are virtually safe this season.

[ralphdpomeroy]

It would be better if the club and so called super fans just admitted the club don’t care. Because if they do that’s even more worrying.

In eight years we have won THREE Fa cup ties. And two of them were in the same season before being disposed of by Lincoln.

Thankfully I saved my hard earned today and went to the cinema.

Four they are so few and far between that I remembered four

Middlesbrough ,Sunderland, Bristol City and Barnsley - all equally forgettable in truth

Our overall record in any Cup going back to the 1880s is nothing to get excited about for a club who have spent so many years in the top flight ..my first real FA Cup memories are the 74 Semi-Final defeat and Wimbledon at home in 1975 - enough said

[cricketfieldclarets]

Part timer. Only the proper fans were in Athens.

My selfish mate got married. On a Friday. Telling his mrs is go to his next one didn’t go down well.

[cricketfieldclarets]

With our squad, absolutely not. We are 1 or 2 injuries away from almost certain relegation

Don’t worry. You can’t watch the excitement of another 100m going in that bank account of ours. That affects none of us.

[Tall Paul]

Four they are so few and far between that I remembered four

Middlesbrough ,Sunderland, Bristol City and Barnsley - all equally forgettable in truth

You forgot Peterborough already, it was only three weeks ago.

[ralphdpomeroy]

Aye very true and I enjoyed that one ... mind you I enjoyed the win at Middlesbrough too.

The Cup has had its day for reasons various , I was on yesterday ... we lost , we move on, I'd have rather seen us win but such is football in the 21st century.

[JohnMac]

Wigan Athletic

[kentonclaret]

The Premier League may well be worth £100 million a year, but despite having spent several seasons in the top flight Burnley still cannot afford to buy a player good enough to go straight into the first team and have a threadbare squad, as yesterday's performance demonstrated all too clearly.

If there is a total apathy among supporters and a lack of desire from the club hierarchy and players to progress beyond even the 4th round it beggars the question why we are even entering the competition. Obviously it just comes down to a long held tradition and not wanting to be the first high profile club to shun the FA Cup. Perhaps still entering and putting out second string teams is even more of a snub to a once highly valued Cup competition?

[UnderSeige]

I think that the club needs a more positive mentality. We should realistically be able to finish around mid table and have a good cup run.

We have won 30 points in the Premiership with 14 games to go (a fantastic achievement for a club the size of Burnley).

We probably only need another eight points or so to stay up. There are several winnable games including three home games against teams below us in the league. We have got eleven players who have played at international level including four for England. We have recently beaten two top five teams. We have one of the longest serving and arguably one of the best managers in the Premiership.

Looking round the ground yesterday there was one stand that was virtually empty, and the other three stands looked to be only half full - if that! It had the feeling of a pre-season friendly.

Coming off the tremendous Man U away victory, the club should have done more to get people to turn up on Saturday. The '£10 a ticket and kids for free' is a great idea. Some positive statements about how we are really going to have a go in the cup this year might also have helped along with the strongest team selection available.

A win yesterday, watched by a decent size crowd, would have set the town buzzing.

[Steve1956]

The FA Cup is finished...no-one is interested in it anymore,clubs and spectators hammer another nail in this competitions coffin each season....not be long till it's history,it will maybe end up like Anglo Scottish cup as the bigger clubs don't enter it anymore,I'll give it another five years.

[NL Claret]

There's no logic to argument about the low FA cup crowds and performance in cups.

Man City do pretty well in the cups yet a whole tier was closed today. I'd imagine they gave away loads of tickets too to junior football clubs. For a champions league qualifier last season a colleague had access to 40 tickets.

[tiger76]

If we're not going to at least make an attempt to get to the latter stages of the domestic cups,then there is a danger of some fans voting with their feet ,already this season there's been discontent with the annual relegation battle being the height of our ambitions,and even some PL games have seen plenty of empty seats,Villa being a case in point,despite seemingly being a decisive 6 pointer,the PL is ruining the modern game,as half the teams in it are desperate just to survive and collect the annual windfall,and will happily forgo both domestic cups if needs be,i understand the business aspect of prioritising the PL,but eventually scrambling around trying to reach 40 points year on year will become grinding,especially if there is no welcome distraction in a cup run,football used to be about trying to win trophies,now it's all about the balance sheets.

[dsr]

With our squad, absolutely not. We are 1 or 2 injuries away from almost certain relegation

That's a bit melodramatic. You seriously think that if just one player gets injured (I presume you mean Wood? Or who do you mean?) we would be unable to get the two wins that would probably mean safety?

[Vegas Claret]

Seems Liverpool are abandoning it big time and that is with their massive squad
"Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp has confirmed he will not take charge of Liverpool's FA Cup replay with Shrewsbury because the midweek fixture would disrupt the two-week winter break that Klopp and his first-team squad will be on during that period. Speaking after the game, Klopp claimed Critchley will take charge at Anfield, as the under-23s coach did in the League Cup quarter-final at Aston Villa in December while the first-team were away at the Club World Cup"

[Wile E Coyote]

Unfortunately we have lost all the momentum gained by the two great victories of the past week. We should have played the same team as against Man Utd. to keep the momentum going and to give ourselves half a chance of winning the only competition we could win. We now go into the Arsenal game having lost our last game and having lost the momentum gained during the past week.

wrong, it was a game the club didn't want to play. The risk to key players is obvious, two great league results, but we are in no position to have a meaningless cup tie ruin our chance of staying up. Fielding first team players in a ridiculous cup comp could be catastrophic.

[Wile E Coyote]

same reason why klopp was about as interested in shrewsbury game as he is about evertons club shop sales. he has bigger fish to fry, the FA cup is best left to mugs from the dregs of the leagues.

[Claretforever]

The FA Cup is finished...no-one is interested in it anymore,clubs and spectators hammer another nail in this competitions coffin each season....not be long till it's history,it will maybe end up like Anglo Scottish cup as the bigger clubs don't enter it anymore,I'll give it another five years.

Have you taken a look at the attendances at other games yesterday and today?

There were larger crowds at every game than there was at the Turf, and a few sell outs. The cup is still alive for other clubs, but just not for us.

[dsr]

wrong, it was a game the club didn't want to play. The risk to key players is obvious, two great league results, but we are in no position to have a meaningless cup tie ruin our chance of staying up. Fielding first team players in a ridiculous cup comp could be catastrophic.

It would be equally or more catastrophic if they went training instead and Gawthorpe Hall was struck by lightning and the players all hit by falling stones. If football was all about money, the players and fans would have waved a fake bank statement at Charlton, not a fake trophy. What's your ambition for next season? Is it to hope that nothing happens, for ever and ever, and we do nothing and achieve nothing and win nothing? What's the point?

[Vegas Claret]

listen to the post match interviews, defeat shrugged off by everyone the second the whistle was blown - everybody at the club has their eye firmly fixed on the PL

[Wile E Coyote]

rubbish, we need to stay in this division, the cup lost its magic about 30 years ago, it has no merit whatsoever, how can you not see that.
we are at breaking point, all our resources have to be put on league football. we will probably survive, but not if some lump from the second tier breaks Tark's leg in some irrelevant cup game. my ambition...seeing as you asked, is for us to spend more, build up the squad with decent players, and go again in the best league in world football.

[superdimitri]

It would be equally or more catastrophic if they went training instead and Gawthorpe Hall was struck by lightning and the players all hit by falling stones. If football was all about money, the players and fans would have waved a fake bank statement at Charlton, not a fake trophy. What's your ambition for next season? Is it to hope that nothing happens, for ever and ever, and we do nothing and achieve nothing and win nothing? What's the point?

With respect if you want to win something in today's game I think you are supporting the wrong team.

You can't blame the club for not caring when you look at the competition we're up against every week!

Besides, the higher we finish each year and the more money rolling in the better chance we have of improving the club in the future and that is a lot more important in my eyes.

The cup is dead so just accept it. Whether it should be or not is something else, you can blame modem football and greed for that.

[bfcjg]

It's sad but let's face it the FA cup of our youth , that's for some of us over a certain age where all the family come round to watch the build up and game from 9am onwards is over. Football on tele every day hasn't helped and the money tree that's the Prem means that is the focus. Business first sport second.
FA cup at Burnley and others now really means Fu#k All cup.

[mikeS]

It’s not that many years ago that the FA cup was THE competition fans wanted to watch. Crowds were huge in all the rounds, admission prices were hiked up by the clubs and the clubs playing, fielded strong sides.

You have Guardiola complaining about only 32,000 turning up to watch City take on Fulham, wondering why 20,000 stayed away. While it Newcastle an almost full house saw them draw 0-0 with League one side Oxford United.

At Burnley we saw the lowest gate of the round, 8,000 turning up for an all Premier League clash, an attendance figure 60 percent down on the previous League game.

Today, you have the manager of League leaders, Liverpool, playing Shrewsbury at Anfield in a replay who isn’t going to turn up for the game, preferring instead to take his players away on a winter break and leaving the Liverpool youth side to face their opponents.

Personally the FA cup still holds an excitement from the draw being made and the game being played. It’s still a competition worth winning. Football, in the words of Danny Blanchflower is about ‘Glory’ he said. That’s unchanged I think. If BUrnley were to win the competition it would be amazing.

The Cup today however has lost its lustre. It’s not a priority for the bigger clubs seemingly. It’s a sad state of affairs what’s happened to the oldest and most famous cup competition in football.

[Corky]

It's sad but let's face it the FA cup of our youth , that's for some of us over a certain age where all the family come round to watch the build up and game from 9am onwards is over. Football on tele every day hasn't helped and the money tree that's the Prem means that is the focus. Business first sport second.
FA cup at Burnley and others now really means Fu#k All cup.

I guess that all depends when your "youth" was.

I just wonder whether we are getting a little ignorant and arrogant given our lofty position in the Premier League. I wonder how many Shrewsbury Town fans woke up this morning thinking "what a shitty pointless competition". Not many I venture.

[Steve1956]

Have you taken a look at the attendances at other games yesterday and today?

There were larger crowds at every game than there was at the Turf, and a few sell outs. The cup is still alive for other clubs, but just not for us.

Those grounds were full of football tourists tenner a head and kids for a quid,Liverpool are going on holiday while they let their kids fulfill the replay fixture,The Champions City could fill their ground,the FA cup is in its deathbed.

[mikeS]

I don’t think it’s in its deathbed for the majority of clubs. Half of the Premiere league, the championship and lower leagues would love a chance to progrsss in the competition.

Let’s face it. Burnley are not going to win the Premier league. They aren’t going to win the champions league. Our best chance of winning anything is the FA and League cup. If sides like Liverpool want to put their youth sides out let them, but for clubs like BUrnley our only chance of silverware are the FA cup and League Cups.

[Steve1956]

I don’t think it’s in its deathbed for the majority of clubs. Half of the Premiere league, the championship and lower leagues would love a chance to progrsss in the competition.

Let’s face it. Burnley are not going to win the Premier league. They aren’t going to win the champions league. Our best chance of winning anything is the FA and League cup. If sides like Liverpool want to put their youth sides out let them, but for clubs like BUrnley our only chance of silverware are the FA cup and League Cups.

Yes it is but nobody at the club is interested so we are just going to bumble along doing the sum total of ****@ll.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I don’t think it’s in its deathbed for the majority of clubs. Half of the Premiere league, the championship and lower leagues would love a chance to progrsss in the competition.

Let’s face it. Burnley are not going to win the Premier league. They aren’t going to win the champions league. Our best chance of winning anything is the FA and League cup. If sides like Liverpool want to put their youth sides out let them, but for clubs like BUrnley our only chance of silverware are the FA cup and League Cups.

It is hard to work out why teams like Everton, Spurs, Newcastle and West Ham who aren't going to win the league or champs league don't adopt that approach and just win the cups each year

[Claretforever]

Those grounds were full of football tourists tenner a head and kids for a quid,Liverpool are going on holiday while they let their kids fulfill the replay fixture,The Champions City could fill their ground,the FA cup is in its deathbed.

You’re talking specifically about those watching the big 3-4 teams.

West Ham v West Brom 58,911
Reading v Cardiff 12,798
Portsmouth v Barnsley 13,286
Brentford v Leicester 12,221
Millwall v Sheffield United 12,653
Northampton v Derby 7,798 (it was actually slightly lower than ours)

Take West Ham out as they’re a larger London club, and the others still did better than us, and were either close to their normal attendance or beat it.

We were the only club in the entire round to have such a huge drop from our normal home attendances. The next closest was probably Portsmouth who were down 4,500, but were still far higher than ourselves, and charged £24! Our prices were cheap compared with normal league prices, although we shot ourselves in the foot by putting prices up. That was stupid.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You’re talking specifically about those watching the big 3-4 teams.

West Ham v West Brom 58,911
Reading v Cardiff 12,798
Portsmouth v Barnsley 13,286
Brentford v Leicester 12,221
Millwall v Sheffield United 12,653
Northampton v Derby 7,798 (it was actually slightly lower than ours)

Take West Ham out as they’re a larger London club, and the others still did better than us, and were either close to their normal attendance or beat it.

We were the only club in the entire round to have such a huge drop from our normal home attendances. The next closest was probably Portsmouth who were down 4,500, but were still far higher than ourselves, and charged £24! Our prices were cheap compared with normal league prices, although we shot ourselves in the foot by putting prices up. That was stupid.

Wasn't Man City's drop about 15k ? Neither Reading, Portsmouth, Brentford, Millwall or Derby have premier league fans turning up for home games

[Claretforever]

As per my comment, I was focusing on those who aren’t classed as the top clubs.

Man City getting 39,000 is a normal crowd for them really when you look at the decades preceding. The tourists generally go to their league games, hence why their crowds have gone up from a normal 33,000 to 53,000 over the past 5-10 years.

The top 4-6 might show a lack of respect, and that’s because the authorities allow them to do it. Rule 15a, as I’ve seen posted elsewhere, stipulates a club has to field their strongest possible team. Where’s the punishment?

[claretonthecoast1882]

As per my comment, I was focusing on those who aren’t classed as the top clubs.

Man City getting 39,000 is a normal crowd for them really when you look at the decades preceding. The tourists generally go to their league games, hence why their crowds have gone up from a normal 33,000 to 53,000 over the past 5-10 years.

The top 4-6 might show a lack of respect, and that’s because the authorities allow them to do it. Rule 15a, as I’ve seen posted elsewhere, stipulates a club has to field their strongest possible team. Where’s the punishment?

Most of the clubs you are using though had crowds lower than their normal average

[Claretforever]

Most? As in nowhere close?

I was actually comparing them with ours really, which is why I said “we were the only club in the entire round to have such a huge drop”. We were at around what, 40% of our average this season?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Most? As in nowhere close?

I was actually comparing them with ours really, which is why I said “we were the only club in the entire round to have such a huge drop”. We were at around what, 40% of our average this season?

You seem surprised that a team in a lower division (seen as we are ruling out another Premier league side that had a similar drop) in the 4th round of the cup had a bigger gate than we did but ignoring they were still below their normal average. What would the crowd have been had it been different opposition like Liverpool or Man Utd ?