Hi I’m just wondering if anybody thinks it’s worthwhile doing in the event that science becomes more advanced in the future, I’ve just been watching silent witness & a case featured that method of after life preservation so just doing some research into it, thanks?

Austin Powers highly recommends Cryogenics.

Waking up one day to learn your great grandchildren are all dead? No thanks. Waking up one day to learn your great grand children are in cryostasis? Then what's the point in your own cryostasis? Wake up and find new friends your 'age'? Nope. They'll be a hundred years 'younger' than you and their music will by shyte. Reach out to other cryo-fogies? Then what's the point in cryostasis? Might as well reach out and suffer them in your natural mortal life. Honestly, there inevitably comes a point in a human's life where dying is a mercy. We aren't built to last. Barring an evolutionary or scientific leap that forces us to reconsider everything we know about biology and entropy, that fact will remain. We rot. Immortality, or an approximation of it, seems...macabre...to me. Perhaps I'm a product of my time, and society and technology may progress that there may come a day where I am no longer of that 'time' in every sense of the word, but that is the essential point. I don't want to know that day because I don't belong to it, so I'll happily give myself to the worms.

In a hundred years time, all they'll be doing is thawing a dead person. Doesn't give them much to work with.

Wake up and find those down the road went bust the same season Burnley completed a second successive quadruple Premier League, Champions League and Cup(s) clean sweep? Nah.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:48 am

Waking up one day to learn your great grandchildren are all dead? No thanks. Waking up one day to learn your great grand children are in cryostasis? Then what's the point in your own cryostasis? Wake up and find new friends your 'age'? Nope. They'll be a hundred years 'younger' than you and their music will by shyte. Reach out to other cryo-fogies? Then what's the point in cryostasis? Might as well reach out and suffer them in your natural mortal life. Honestly, there inevitably comes a point in a human's life where dying is a mercy. We aren't built to last. Barring an evolutionary or scientific leap that forces us to reconsider everything we know about biology and entropy, that fact will remain. We rot. Immortality, or an approximation of it, seems...macabre...to me. Perhaps I'm a product of my time, and society and technology may progress that there may come a day where I am no longer of that 'time' in every sense of the word, but that is the essential point. I don't want to know that day because I don't belong to it, so I'll happily give myself to the worms.

I understand & respect that viewpoint, some people feel differently though hence wishing to through the process as 1 day they must feel some benefits could be reaped. If nobody volunteered science wouldn't be able to experiment similar to clinical trials apart from the 1 obvious difference, the reason I feel it isn't popular as it could be is dictated by finances, a continuing expense as opposed to a normal burial or cremation it's usually a 1 off payment & a set price. I hope eventually & I believe 1 day it could become a success but not anytime soon & certainly not within our lifetimes, it won't be something we'll be around to see & discover, thanks for the sensible input into the subject matter, ideally that was the basis of the OP.

No Ney Never wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:09 am

In a hundred years time, all they'll be doing is thawing a dead person. Doesn't give them much to work with.

Exactly this. Unless they can resurrect the dead it's all academic.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:49 am

Exactly this. Unless they can resurrect the dead it's all academic.

I believe that's the idea & that's what they aim to do, pending a breakthrough in science, insect baby steps, constantly discovering new scientific facts on a daily basis.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:34 am

...they must feel some benefits could be reaped. ...

The people running the scam are definitely reaping the benefits. Now.

I'd do them a deal. You run the facility but all the staff involved have to live on minimum wage and can only spend the payments when we're all re-animated in the future. Sounds fair.

All flesh is grass.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:06 am

The people running the scam are definitely reaping the benefits. Now.

I'd do them a deal. You run the facility but all the staff involved have to live on minimum wage and can only spend the payments when we're all re-animated in the future. Sounds fair.

I don't think all the costs incurred will be spent alone on electricity running the freezers, maintaining a facility like that with observing what's going on won't come cheap & I assume testing will be carried out at certain stages.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:14 am

I don't think all the costs incurred will be spent alone on electricity running the freezers, maintaining a facility like that with observing what's going on won't come cheap & I assume testing will be carried out at certain stages.

I didn't say that there weren't costs involved.

Observing:
"Bob! Is he still dead?"
"Looks it"
"OK. Same again next year."

Testing:
"Bob! Is he still dead?"
"I've checked if he's breathing. He's not."
"OK. Same again next year."

For all the good it's doing, that might as well be what they do.

I started a thread on the same topic a while back. This is the plan, although I think it's something like £100,000 to have it done. Hopefully in 92 years when I pass away, it'll be cheaper.

There’s a comedy film Idocracy that deals with the issues of waking up in the future. Quite a funny film but had the potential, I thought to be even better. Reading the brief synopsis I think we are moving faster towards the imagined future than the 500 year prediction of the film!

The film tells the story of Joe Bauers (Wilson), an American soldier who takes part in a classified military human hibernation experiment, only to accidentally awaken 500 years later in a dystopian society, in which commercialism has run rampant, and mankind has embraced anti-intellectualism and is devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and coherent notions of justice and human rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

I thought this was a pstotto come back thread.. Best wishes to pstotto.

thatdberight wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:41 am

I didn't say that there weren't costs involved.

Observing:
"Bob! Is he still dead?"
"Looks it"
"OK. Same again next year."

Testing:
"Bob! Is he still dead?"
"I've checked if he's breathing. He's not."
"OK. Same again next year."

For all the good it's doing, that might as well be what they do.

Facilities like that need to be kept in a really sterile condition & I should imagine it's imperative temperatures need to be maintained, I'm not sure how often new patients are received so that will increase the workload depending on the admissions & we don't know how much manpower is required, less obviously means more duties, I don't think dumping the corpses into freezers & walking away is the norm, apparently the blood is drained & liquid nitrogen is pumped into the bodies, even carrying out CPR to prevent brain cells from dying on occasions, the patients will need to be observed, in dead animals apparently organs have been frozen & used for transplants.

A medical scientist recently said that the first person to live forever is alive now. Technology is moving at such a speed that it won't be long before consciousness can be stored digitally. When that happens freezing a body will be irrelevant.

claretabroad wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:33 pm

A medical scientist recently said that the first person to live forever is alive now. Technology is moving at such a speed that it won't be long before consciousness can be stored digitally. When that happens freezing a body will be irrelevant.

Nearly. It was Dr Aubrey de Grey and he said they'll live to be 1000. It's strange though as medicine is moving at a snail's pace and technology is moving faster than ever.

FactualFrank wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:04 pm

Nearly. It was Dr Aubrey de Grey and he said they'll live to be 1000. It's strange though as medicine is moving at a snail's pace and technology is moving faster than ever.

With driverless cars on the horizon & more movement towards robotics, I think eventually some of us in the future will become cyborgs, you could argue now it's slowly creeping in with the robotic limbs for the disabled.

I don't like the cold.

Freeze Eddie and Ringo then they can come back in 100 years time to continue with their Brexit argument.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:49 pm

I don't like the cold.

Wet lettuce.

I think Cryogenics is a cool subject to talk about

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:49 pm

I don't like the cold.

If you like chilling out that's definitely the way to go
By then it'll probably be a cybotic super master race, designed & engineered for maximum efficiency, pioneered in China initially, prototypes probably already there.

They can't even freeze sperm, a really simple 23 chromosomal entity, without half of them getting wiped.

A human brain? With intact memories? With a personality? The entire structure is completely and irretrievably wrecked the moment it starts to freeze.

This is just so obviously a total scam. Please, no one pay for this. It might not matter to you - you're dead - but the rest of humanity has to provide resources to pointlessly keep you in this condition. It's not fair to inflict that on future humans. And in any case, you'll be the butt of jokes, preserved for eternal ridicule: (pointing) "This dude actually thought this might work! He must have been a right berk!"

If it be your will wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:15 am

They can't even freeze sperm, a really simple 23 chromosomal entity, without half of them getting wiped.

A human brain? With intact memories? With a personality? The entire structure is completely and irretrievably wrecked the moment it starts to freeze.

This is just so obviously a total scam. Please, no one pay for this. It might not matter to you - you're dead - but the rest of humanity has to provide resources to pointlessly keep you in this condition. It's not fair to inflict that on future humans. And in any case, you'll be the butt of jokes, preserved for eternal ridicule: (pointing) "This dude actually thought this might work! He must have been a right berk!"

It wouldn’t be available on the NHS, I could be corrected but there’s only 3 facilities out there accommodating this, 2 in America & 1 in Russia. I believe such a treatment/process would be funded entirely private due to the high risk associated.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:23 am

It wouldn’t be available on the NHS, I could be corrected but there’s only 3 facilities out there accommodating this, 2 in America & 1 in Russia. I believe such a treatment/process would be funded entirely private due to the high risk associated.

In this day of claims......and thinking ahead, who/how do I sue if it doesn't work?

It's not necessary.

The universe is only 13 billion years old and is expected to last well over another 100 trillion year.

So, based on probabilities if I have formed now after only 13 billion year then, my current atoms will re-morph again to my physical form at some point in time.

I have prepared for my return by burying some of my wealth beneath the singing ringing tree.

Are you suggesting that these finds of hoards of old coins are not random luck, that someone has re-morphed and returned to collect their stash? Those Romans were more intelligent than we thought.

"Nip down to Iceland and pick up a couple of relations for your 500th birthday do "

Waking up after some global apocalypse to find that you are all alone on the planet with Walt Disney would be a bit weird. Having to listen to Walts endless stories about Mickey Mouse whilst I talk about Ralph Coates until the end of the world.

Mmmm not sure.

RMutt wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:27 am

There’s a comedy film Idocracy that deals with the issues of waking up in the future. Quite a funny film but had the potential, I thought to be even better. Reading the brief synopsis I think we are moving faster towards the imagined future than the 500 year prediction of the film!

The film tells the story of Joe Bauers (Wilson), an American soldier who takes part in a classified military human hibernation experiment, only to accidentally awaken 500 years later in a dystopian society, in which commercialism has run rampant, and mankind has embraced anti-intellectualism and is devoid of intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and coherent notions of justice and human rights.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

I think I'd enjoy this film...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA

Doesn't Gawthorpe have a cryogenic chamber for our players now? Graham Alexander was the pioneer! He'll be back!

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:23 am

It wouldn’t be available on the NHS, I could be corrected but there’s only 3 facilities out there accommodating this, 2 in America & 1 in Russia. I believe such a treatment/process would be funded entirely private due to the high risk associated.

Of course it wouldn't, that would be silly. But even if you pay for it, you'd have committed humanity to expend resources looking after you in your permanent state of ridiculousness. (At least until the company goes insolvent and the administrators unceremoniously thaw you out.)

Go on Jakubclaret, sign up. It'd be well funny if you did.

If it be your will wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:54 am

Of course it wouldn't, that would be silly. But even if you pay for it, you'd have committed humanity to expend resources looking after you in your permanent state of ridiculousness. (At least until the company goes insolvent and the administrators unceremoniously thaw you out.)

Go on Jakubclaret, sign up. It'd be well funny if you did.

It's entirely funded privately I don't agree with your view on humanity committing itself expending resources, it's actually keeping people in employment & furthering science. Every day more progress is becoming more advanced it'll be years away from success, I was reading last night the idea is growing in popularity & more people are becoming optismtic a solution eventually could exist, I'm not completely convinced & have doubts myself whether it could ever work, but I'm not 100% sure it couldn't. It's more constructive for me to keep a open mind. Surely the dead person when alive maintains the right to choice.

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:51 am

Waking up after some global apocalypse to find that you are all alone on the planet with Walt Disney would be a bit weird. Having to listen to Walts endless stories about Mickey Mouse whilst I talk about Ralph Coates until the end of the world.

Mmmm not sure.

Urban myth about Walt Disney being cryogenically frozen.

I thought Cryogenics referred to Arsenal fans

Belial wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:59 pm

I thought Cryogenics referred to Arsenal fans

that's cry babies...

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:36 pm

It's entirely funded privately I don't agree with your view on humanity committing itself expending resources, it's actually keeping people in employment & furthering science. Every day more progress is becoming more advanced it'll be years away from success, I was reading last night the idea is growing in popularity & more people are becoming optismtic a solution eventually could exist, I'm not completely convinced & have doubts myself whether it could ever work, but I'm not 100% sure it couldn't. It's more constructive for me to keep a open mind. Surely the dead person when alive maintains the right to choice.

It's one of those debates about inheritances: how much power should the dead have over the living?

If I left 10 billion in a trust, invested 80% in the S&P 500 and 20% in government bonds, with the instructions to employ a thousand people, each in a private booth, to draw 500 smiling faces each day on standard A4 paper, all of which were incinerated at the end of the day, that trust would theoretically last thousands of years. Possibly even forever.

Presumably you'd say if "It's entirely privately funded" and "It's actually keeping people in employment" and "Surely the dead person when alive maintains the right to choice." And yes, the law would support me in doing all this. But surely someone, somewhere, would put a stop to this insanely useless waste of resources and human labour. (Though the stories of billionaires leaving money for endless pampering of generations of pet cats makes me wonder.)

That's how I see freezing yourself. And I imagine someone, somewhere, will eventually put a stop to this insanely useless waste of resources, ignore the instructions of the long since dead, and unplug the freezers.

(But sign up by all means. I actively want you to!)