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Post by claretyke » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:24 pm

According to Daily Mirror Chelsea interested.

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Re: POPE

Post by Hendrickxz » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:26 pm

Was that the ten day old issue you were reading in the barber's? :D
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Re: POPE

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:27 pm

I'm sure they are but why would we sell?

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Re: POPE

Post by claretyke » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:29 pm

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Re: POPE

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:32 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:27 pm
I'm sure they are but why would we sell?
Because they'll offer 50 million and we'd then be daft not to! ;)

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Re: POPE

Post by beddie » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:34 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:32 pm
Because they'll offer 50 million and we'd then be daft not to! ;)
It's still not enough in the current climate.

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Re: POPE

Post by Goobs » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:34 pm

Strangely I don't think the "big clubs" are necessarily the pull they once were for those already playing in the premier league.

Yes they can offer more money but you are not always guaranteed to be playing which can affect international aspirations and many players have seen their careers stagnate or die when moving to one of the "big six".

Look at Bournemouth holding off United when they were after King or Vardy choosing to stay at Leicester over Arsenal.

I'm not saying if Chelsea wanted Pope it wouldn't happen just that it is not the forgone conclusion it once would have been.
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Re: POPE

Post by Moorite » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:42 pm

Sell Pope for £75 million and we can buy Tom back for £5 million.
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Re: POPE

Post by tim_noone » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:46 pm

Arsenal fans unhappy with their keeper....that said they're unhappy full stop.

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Re: POPE

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:01 pm

Goobs wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:34 pm
Strangely I don't think the "big clubs" are necessarily the pull they once were for those already playing in the premier league.

Yes they can offer more money but you are not always guaranteed to be playing which can affect international aspirations and many players have seen their careers stagnate or die when moving to one of the "big six".

Look at Bournemouth holding off United when they were after King or Vardy choosing to stay at Leicester over Arsenal.

I'm not saying if Chelsea wanted Pope it wouldn't happen just that it is not the forgone conclusion it once would have been.
He's a Southern lad, he'd get a massive pay increase and he'd improve his chances of playing for England. I'm pretty sure if Pope got the chance he'd jump at it.

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Re: POPE

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:15 pm

Always said that these teams are signing the wrong bloke when they come sniffing round our keeper...

£75M and he's yours... then you'll want the next one in 3 years time...

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Re: POPE

Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:16 pm

£71.6m for Kepa and he's not good enough so they want Pope - who is obviously better
So shall we call it a round £100m Mr Abramhovic
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Re: POPE

Post by Goobs » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:19 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:01 pm
He's a Southern lad, he'd get a massive pay increase and he'd improve his chances of playing for England. I'm pretty sure if Pope got the chance he'd jump at it.
He seems a very grounded lad, who is already in the England squad and I'm not sure he'll be able to improve his chances of being number 1 as it appears to be his lack of passing it around at the back that Southgate doesn't like rather than his ability as a shot stopper / goalkeeper and that is unlikely to change with any move.

Yes the money may be a factor but not everyone is motivated purely by that and who's to say that he wouldn't prefer to be here on very good money around players / staff he seems to like and at a club where he is rightly thought of very highly by those within the club as well as the fans.

At the end of the day if they come in for him and he goes then fair enough, we move on and trust the recruitment team to find a suitable replacement (we may already have him in BPF).
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Re: POPE

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:23 pm

Pope is a great shot stopper, great at commanding the box, is pretty good at distribution BUT does not do well with the ball at his feet. It seems like the rage is now to use the keeper to pass through when starting the attack.... to get the opposing players to press further upfield and free up space in the midfield. I just don't see Pope being able to do that. We don't need him to do that and most clubs wouldn't but I think chelsea would, which is why I think he stays here.
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Re: POPE

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:33 pm

I think if they came with an offer of 30 million it would be hard to turn down. We’ve got back up.

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Re: POPE

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:37 pm

That's a fair enough assessment Asheville tbh. He isn't ever asked to play out from the back in our team (and I'd have kittens if we ever started that caper!) but having sad that, if Chelsea felt they wanted to throw anything over 50 million our way I'd probably be taking it. It's approaching half our loot for a full PL season and we could build almost a whole new team for that the way we shop. AND Billy Mercer will do us right with a replacement, whether it's BPF or somebody else.

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Re: POPE

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:39 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:23 pm
Pope is a great shot stopper, great at commanding the box, is pretty good at distribution BUT does not do well with the ball at his feet. It seems like the rage is now to use the keeper to pass through when starting the attack.... to get the opposing players to press further upfield and free up space in the midfield. I just don't see Pope being able to do that. We don't need him to do that and most clubs wouldn't but I think chelsea would, which is why I think he stays here.
you must have missed the fantastic pass down the line against Arsenal then

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Re: POPE

Post by ElectroClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:43 pm

I'd be surprised if the bigger clubs weren't looking at him. He's a very good keeper.

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Re: POPE

Post by moaninclaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:46 pm

I hope he stays but if crazy offers are made we will accept them,50 million and he will go, anything less then i think we should keep him, good English keepers are hard to find these days so we should hold out for a huge fee, i just hope we buy decent players with the proceeds.

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Re: POPE

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:46 pm

Unfortunately I don’t think we would get more that £35m for him.

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Re: POPE

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:49 pm

I think anything approaching £40 mil and he'll be off.

Roll on 2 years and we'll probably be talking about the same thing, but with Bailey Peacock-Farrell.
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Re: POPE

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:54 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:39 pm
you must have missed the fantastic pass down the line against Arsenal then
It was a great pass, but I would put that as distribution. I meant to say that some keepers are playing like outfield players (see Ederson and Allison) with the ball at their feet, which Pope is not one of them: very few are.

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Re: POPE

Post by beddie » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:58 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:46 pm
Unfortunately I don’t think we would get more that £35m for him.
I'm not sure about that. If he has really good form from now until the end of season I really can see a bidding war taking place. If that happens we need to dig our heels in, one of the big teams won't want to lose out and might just make us a sensational offer.

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Re: POPE

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:03 pm

beddie wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:58 pm
I'm not sure about that. If he has really good form from now until the end of season I really can see a bidding war taking place. If that happens we need to dig our heels in, one of the big teams won't want to lose out and might just make us a sensational offer.
What will put £££s on his head is if he gets to play for England in the Euros and does very well.

The same applies to McNeil.

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Re: POPE

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:05 pm

Goobs wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:34 pm
Strangely I don't think the "big clubs" are necessarily the pull they once were for those already playing in the premier league.

Yes they can offer more money but you are not always guaranteed to be playing
If he is offered the same deal as Arrizabalaga who, according to the Mirror, is on a seven year deal worth £10 million a year, he would be totally insane not to take it.
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Re: POPE

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:06 pm

Burnley1989 wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:46 pm
Unfortunately I don’t think we would get more that £35m for him.
Then he will have to stay at Burnley then.

He's superb at taking the pressure off for us. Collecting most corners and and crosses he takes away half the threat of the opposition, which is vital to us.
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Re: POPE

Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:24 pm

Best goalkeeper in Prem
No sale unless its North of £70m
We are far too fond pf giveaways previously
Chelsea have limitless funds so we screw them for every penny
£30m is a nonsense figure even pur deep pockets board will see this
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Re: POPE

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:25 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:24 pm
Best goalkeeper in Prem
No sale unless its North of £70m
We are far too fond pf giveaways previously
Chelsea have limitless funds so we screw them for every penny
£30m is a nonsense figure even pur deep pockets board will see this
To be fair, we normally get very good prices when we sell players.
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Re: POPE

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:03 pm

Top of the clean sheets(9) with Henderson.
The link is without last weekend but if you scroll down he had 11 the last time he played an almost full season.
Great keeper and I’d rather have him than the money.
https://www.sportito.co.uk/blog/most-cl ... -epl-2099/
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Re: POPE

Post by Goobs » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:39 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:05 pm
If he is offered the same deal as Arrizabalaga who, according to the Mirror, is on a seven year deal worth £10 million a year, he would be totally insane not to take it.
Thing is he probably won't be offered anything like that though, in fact I imagine he would probably get offered half that at best.

It would still be a crazy amount and I wouldn't blame him if he went for an offer of that magnitude but some things in life are more important than money to some people especially when they are already on vast sums as it is

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Re: POPE

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:23 pm

Come up with a figure we find acceptable and then add every penny we had to pay them for Drinkwater to it.
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Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:25 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:23 pm
Come up with a figure we find acceptable and then add every penny we had to pay them for Drinkwater to it.
...then double it :D

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Re: POPE

Post by bfcmik » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:42 pm

Premier League clean sheets, 2019/20.

Nine - Pope, Henderson, Alisson.

Eight - Foster, Schmeichel.

Seven - Dubravka, Ederson.

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Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:05 pm

I was listening to an interview with Chris Kirkland. He said that when he had an English goalkeeping coach, all was well. When the manager (Rafa Benitez was the first) imposed a European coach, his game fell away. Moved on - English again, fine. New manager insists on foreign...game falls away.

Pope better watch where he goes!

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Re: POPE

Post by bfcmartin » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:08 pm

I noticed there's no sign of Pickford on that list

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Re: POPE

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:16 pm

Goobs wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:39 pm

It would still be a crazy amount and I wouldn't blame him if he went for an offer of that magnitude but some things in life are more important than money to some people especially when they are already on vast sums as it is
Like winning trophies and regular European football every season?

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Re: POPE

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:25 pm

bfcmartin wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:08 pm
I noticed there's no sign of Pickford on that list
Prick list?
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:51 pm

50m? We’d be mental to reject that. He’s one serious injury away from being worth a fraction of that.

We have an incredible keeper in reserve in joe hart and bpf up and coming.

If we got 35m I’d bite their hands off. Make do with Hart for a year while peacock proves his worth.

Imagine what mercer could do with him. And the club with the money.

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Re: POPE

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:55 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:51 pm
50m? We’d be mental to reject that. He’s one serious injury away from being worth a fraction of that.

We have an incredible keeper in reserve in joe hart and bpf up and coming.

If we got 35m I’d bite their hands off. Make do with Hart for a year while peacock proves his worth.

Imagine what mercer could do with him. And the club with the money.
Don't even joke about us playing with Hart for a year.
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Re: POPE

Post by paulatky » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:32 pm

Madness that Kepa is apparently on £10m per year on a 7 year contract. Why would he leave Chelsea.

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Re: POPE

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:53 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:51 pm
50m? We’d be mental to reject that. He’s one serious injury away from being worth a fraction of that. We have an incredible keeper in reserve in joe hart and bpf up and coming. If we got 35m I’d bite their hands off. Make do with Hart for a year while peacock proves his worth.

Imagine what mercer could do with him. And the club with the money.
Tom Heaton comes from a club just relegated to the 3rd tier, Nick Pope comes from Charlton's squad in the Championship .... within 3 years of signing, they're both in the England squad. It's Billy Mercer we want to tie up on a long term deal ....

BTW, if Chelsea want an upgrade on a keeper that cost £71.6m eighteen months ago, then it's £75m please Roman, or £65m if you pay it all up-front !! Cue announcement of a new Cricket field stand .....

Ta muchly ! :D
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Re: POPE

Post by Woodleyclaret » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:59 pm

Our failure to offload Joe in the Jan window was the main issue I had with it
How anyone can suggest he plays again in beyond me

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Re: POPE

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:03 pm

bfcmartin wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:08 pm
I noticed there's no sign of Pickford on that list
He is top of the fannying about table.
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Re: POPE

Post by Bosscat » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:12 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:25 pm
Prick list?
Careful Frank you will invoke the wrath of the Pitchfork lovers ;)
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Re: POPE

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:14 pm

He is worth £100m seeing as we don’t have someone that can come in and replace him yet.

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Re: POPE

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:17 pm

Giftonsnoidea wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:14 pm
He is worth £100m seeing as we don’t have someone that can come in and replace him yet.
Before Pope came in, people were saying we'd be knackered if Heaton left.

We do seem to have it sorted for keepers. BPF will be the next big thing and we won't be missing Pope.

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Re: POPE

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Barring Allison and Ederson, Nick Pope is probably the best goalkeeper in the league.

I’d certainly have him over De Gea and Pickford, and those two would easily command fees north of £35 million.

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Re: POPE

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:01 pm

With the big summer rebuild I expect we are going to lose 2 of either Pope, McNeil and Tarks to raise the funds. Any 2 should bring in at least £70m to the purse.

Could be as many signings this window as the 09/10 one

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Re: POPE

Post by Goobs » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:51 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:16 pm
Like winning trophies and regular European football every season?
Sorry I thought it was Chelsea after him not City or Liverpool.

As Arsenal, United and Spurs prove being one of the Big Six does not guarantee either of those "every year".

Like I said previously not saying he would stay or that he should, just that you never know what is important to people unless you are very close to them so it isn't a forgone conclusion.

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Re: POPE

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:09 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:51 pm
50m? We’d be mental to reject that. He’s one serious injury away from being worth a fraction of that.

We have an incredible keeper in reserve in joe hart and bpf up and coming.

If we got 35m I’d bite their hands off. Make do with Hart for a year while peacock proves his worth.

Imagine what mercer could do with him. And the club with the money.
He was an incredible keeper up to about 2015, if you like. I'm not sure what evidence from his subsequent games for Man City, Torino, West Ham and Burnley, and England in the 2016 Euros, lead you to believe he still is.

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