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A workforce failing to reflect society ....

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 pm

I recently came into contact with a major company in it's chosen field, based in London ( turnover of over £400m ), and was shocked to discover that it's workforce was completely unrepresentative of modern Britain.
According to the UK census of 2011, 80% of the UK population comprises of white British born people, yet of the 18 employees I witnessed, and 5 others present in managerial and support roles, only one came from this demographic.
Like many others, I was shocked and appalled at this obvious example of corporate discrimination ....

To whom may we express our concerns, I wonder ? ;)

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Re: A workforce failing to reflect society ....

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:27 pm

And you thought a football message board would give you the answer?
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:33 pm

Positive discrimination
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Post by tim_noone » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:07 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 pm
I recently came into contact with a major company in it's chosen field, based in London ( turnover of over £400m ), and was shocked to discover that it's workforce was completely unrepresentative of modern Britain.
According to the UK census of 2011, 80% of the UK population comprises of white British born people, yet of the 18 employees I witnessed, and 5 others present in managerial and support roles, only one came from this demographic.
Like many others, I was shocked and appalled at this obvious example of corporate discrimination ....

To whom may we express our concerns, I wonder ? ;)
I'd just have another slurp and inhale deeply on a Hamlet!

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Post by Damo » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:17 am

Perhaps only one person from the particular demographic you describe, was the best candidate at the interview.
Not a massive sample is it?

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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:25 am

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Post by Damo » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:32 am

thatdberight wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:25 am
But if they had a vacancy in the "Insertion of incorrect apostrophes in the word its" department, I'm amazed they let you leave the room.
I didn't realise this job was in the NHS

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Post by tim_noone » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:35 am

Damo wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:32 am
I didn't realise this job was in the NHS
I'm guessing it was a mcDonalds Franchise.

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Post by Clarets4me » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:38 am

I was actually referring to Arsenal F.C. .....

Of their starting eleven, seven substitutes, Head Coach, three Assistant Coaches, and the Goalkeeping Coach, only Steve Round ( Asst. Coach ) is representative of 80% of the UK population ....

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Post by Spiral » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:30 am

Considering this is a footy forum you need to be a bit more forgiving of typos and grammatical errors, thatdberight. Personally, I know when and when not to apostrophise it's and its but when I'm typing away I subvocalise words in my head and sometimes fck up. Take the contracted form of 'it is': it's such a short word that I don't 'hear' its apostrophe when subvocalising it so I'm onto the next word without realising I've accidentally missed an apostrophe, and it often slips past a lazy proof-read, assuming a post is proof-read at all. Same is true when rushing through 'its'. Apostrophes sometimes slip in there by accident.
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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:34 am

Spiral wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:30 am
Considering this is a footy forum you need to be a bit more forgiving of typos and grammatical errors, thatdberight. Personally, I know when and when not to apostrophise it's and its but when I'm typing away I subvocalise words in my head and sometimes fck up. Take the contracted form of 'it is': it's such a short word that I don't 'hear' its apostrophe when subvocalising it so I'm onto the next word without realising I've accidentally missed an apostrophe, and it often slips past a lazy proof-read, assuming a post is proof-read at all.
I am. Sometimes. No leeway was justified in this thread, which is without merit.

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Post by AndrewJB » Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:50 am

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 pm
I recently came into contact with a major company in it's chosen field, based in London ( turnover of over £400m ), and was shocked to discover that it's workforce was completely unrepresentative of modern Britain.
According to the UK census of 2011, 80% of the UK population comprises of white British born people, yet of the 18 employees I witnessed, and 5 others present in managerial and support roles, only one came from this demographic.
Like many others, I was shocked and appalled at this obvious example of corporate discrimination ....

To whom may we express our concerns, I wonder ? ;)
Brown British people. And?

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Re: A workforce failing to reflect society ....

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:59 am

Wow you're even managing to trigger yourself now. If more of you dumbo's learn this trick you'll put the left wing loons who cause you to dribble and get all worked up out of business

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Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:07 am

Only on here could the OP go over so many heads
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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:32 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:59 am
Wow you're even managing to trigger yourself now. If more of you dumbo's learn this trick you'll put the left wing loons who cause you to dribble and get all worked up out of business
You're another one.

dumbos*

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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:34 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:07 am
Only on here could the OP go over so many heads
It got me. That said, his point or position still isn't clear so I've filed in under "shitposting".

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Post by AlargeClaret » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:40 am

It’s referring to the howling Arsenal forum fans thinking Dyche /BFC are racist because we don’t have many BAME players, and its “ not reflective of society “ etc etc

While of course the exact opposite could be said of Arsenal who “ don’t represent the white population “ etc etc . It’s all horseh1t of course and simply the near hysterical over reaction of delusional Arsenal fans

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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:46 am

AlargeClaret wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:40 am
It’s referring to the howling Arsenal forum fans thinking Dyche /BFC are racist because we don’t have many BAME players, and its “ not reflective of society “ etc etc

While of course the exact opposite could be said of Arsenal who “ don’t represent the white population “ etc etc . It’s all horseh1t of course and simply the near hysterical over reaction of delusional Arsenal fans
Horseshit, delusional and hysterical. Describes it well.

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:25 am

thatdberight wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:32 am
You're another one.

dumbos*
Get over yourself mate. The OP is messing about having a playful dig at those who he see as the easily offended so i'm just playing along.

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Re: A workforce failing to reflect society ....

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:25 am
Get over yourself mate. The OP is messing about having a playful dig at those who he see as the easily offended so i'm just playing along.
Quite right, " Devil's Advocate " ... we are probably as representative of the UK's population as any EPL club ...

Arsenal, Manchester Utd, Chelsea etc have been dining at football's top table for decades, and have developed expensive world-wide scouting networks, Academies and of course have brand recognition, as well as huge budgets. At one point last year, Chelsea had 40 players out on loan ...
Burnley are more recent arrivals to the party, our budget, scouting network and until recently, training facilities operate at a different level ..
Can you imagine Mike Garlick's face if Sean approached him, ( a la Frank Lampard ), and said " Mr Chairman, I'd like an upgrade on that £71.6m Goalkeeper we signed 18 months ago " ?

My post was a gentle dig at those who consider that our recruitment policies may have racial undertones, nothing more than that ! The laughable thing is that in the 20 years prior to our EPL elevation, I would say the 3 most revered fan favorites were, Andy Payton, Robbie Blake and Roger Eli !! :D
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Post by KateR » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:29 pm

enjoyed the post, thank you :) The interaction from various posters was fairly predictable and made me smile, I didn't see the OP as a correlation to football at all but then again I think any racial comments for any subject are wrong. The Arsenal forum was a disgrace but I have also been vocal on what I believe is a poor BFC business plan in general year on year and our recruitment strategy is worse than poor.

However BFC have been successful in terms of the town size, budget etc. to be where they are, so it's (Spiral?) easy to deflect any criticism, yet as in all walks of life it could be better.

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Post by Volvoclaret » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:51 pm

Tight lines Clarets4me, tight lines. Best fishing since St Peter.
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Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:41 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:11 pm


My post was a gentle dig at those who consider that our recruitment policies may have racial undertones, nothing more than that !
To be fair it does have racial overtones - we look to recruit British players who understand the importance of team work and the role that the club plays in the fans/town life. That being in the first 11 isn’t the end of their commitment to the club.

These players tend to be British and have been brought up in theNritish club system.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:52 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:41 pm
To be fair it does have racial overtones - we look to recruit British players who understand the importance of team work and the role that the club plays in the fans/town life. That being in the first 11 isn’t the end of their commitment to the club.

These players tend to be British and have been brought up in theNritish club system.
The Nritish system is sickening.

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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:32 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:41 pm
To be fair it does have racial overtones - we look to recruit British players who understand the importance of team work and the role that the club plays in the fans/town life. That being in the first 11 isn’t the end of their commitment to the club.

These players tend to be British and have been brought up in theNritish club system.
33% of British players in the Premier League are 'BAME' (2017 stat - can't imagine it's changed much). That makes the Burnley team an outlier by that measure as well. So that's fewer players from outside the British Isles, fewer 'BAME' players, a lower proportion of British players are 'BAME'. An outlier in all three.

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Post by tim_noone » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:38 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 pm
I recently came into contact with a major company in it's chosen field, based in London ( turnover of over £400m ), and was shocked to discover that it's workforce was completely unrepresentative of modern Britain.
According to the UK census of 2011, 80% of the UK population comprises of white British born people, yet of the 18 employees I witnessed, and 5 others present in managerial and support roles, only one came from this demographic.
Like many others, I was shocked and appalled at this obvious example of corporate discrimination ....

To whom may we express our concerns, I wonder ? ;)
Was there really............. contact?

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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:42 pm

A whole thread dragged into the boredom of inappropriate apostrophes and the poster responsible is actually missing an apostrophe.

Shouldn’t it be that’dberight?

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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:46 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:42 pm
A whole thread dragged into the boredom of inappropriate apostrophes and the poster responsible is actually missing an apostrophe.

Shouldn’t it be that’dberight?
Yes. Sadly, the noticeboard wont, or certainly wouldnt at the time, allow apostrophe's in user name's.

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Post by ksrclaret » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:48 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:46 pm
Yes. Sadly, the noticeboard wont, or certainly wouldnt at the time, allow apostrophe's in user name's.
Keep fighting the good fight duck x

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Post by Stayingup » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:50 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:17 pm
I recently came into contact with a major company in it's chosen field, based in London ( turnover of over £400m ), and was shocked to discover that it's workforce was completely unrepresentative of modern Britain.
According to the UK census of 2011, 80% of the UK population comprises of white British born people, yet of the 18 employees I witnessed, and 5 others present in managerial and support roles, only one came from this demographic.
Like many others, I was shocked and appalled at this obvious example of corporate discrimination ....

To whom may we express our concerns, I wonder ? ;)
I think you'll find that the recent election result registers millions of complaints of this type. The BBC and ITV and all the London media thinks that the rest of UK is representative of this. Of course it isn't and actually they may even know this. But we have to be educated. Their role should be news not educating us and that is why the BBC will lose its licence fees in 2027.
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Post by thatdberight » Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:51 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:48 pm
Keep fighting the good fight duck x
Thanks, duck.

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Post by Spiral » Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:07 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:50 pm
I think you'll find that the recent election result registers millions of complaints of this type. The BBC and ITV and all the London media thinks that the rest of UK is representative of this. Of course it isn't and actually they may even know this. But we have to be educated. Their role should be news not educating us and that is why the BBC will lose its licence fees in 2027.
Mission statement, BBC Charter:

Our mission is "to act in the public interest, serving all audiences through the provision of impartial, high-quality and distinctive output and services which inform, educate and entertain"'

https://www.bbc.com/aboutthebbc/governance/mission

From your post I have a feeling you cynically view the BBC as pedagogic, which is fine as a personal opinion, but it's flat out wrong to suggest education isn't a part of its remit.

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Post by rob63 » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:10 am

thatdberight wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:32 am
You're another one.

dumbos*
Is he the Greek centre back?
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Post by dsr » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:57 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:46 pm
Yes. Sadly, the noticeboard wont, or certainly wouldnt at the time, allow apostrophe's in user name's.
'Surely it should be u'ser name's? ;) Shouldnt it? :?
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