Emily Thornberry
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:27 pm
Bleating Like a little Lamb...Vote for me..Vote for me..and Looking more like Mrs Bouquet everytime I see her.
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One extreme to the other. If they found someone the public can relate to that might be a good start.LeadBelly wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:16 pmEpitomizes a lot of what's wrong with the current Labour regime.
Islington dweller, married to a fellow barrister who is nowadays Lord Nugee (so she's a genuine Lady).
Owns a property portfolio worth £4.6 million (including one bought from a housing association and rented out).
Keep the red flag flying.
You mean she isn't ?
Based on your Many political Posts.clarets4me what's your view on the Ladies Leadership Qualities
I don't think that's relevant at all, though I dare say many members of the Labour party would. But they need to think on - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson didn't get the northern working class to vote for him because they thought he was an impoverished ordinary bloke.
I fear Lady Nugee lacks the "common touch ", the ability to relate to us ordinary folk. This is despite her growing up in abject poverty with her mother being a full time teacher and her father lecturing at the London School of Economics, as well as working for the Guardian and practising as a human rights lawyer ...
You're quite right dsr - this shouldn't really matter one jot but it does to an awful lot of people.dsr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:33 amI don't think that's relevant at all, though I dare say many members of the Labour party would. But they need to think on - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson didn't get the northern working class to vote for him because they thought he was an impoverished ordinary bloke.
This "working class people will vote for us because they're working class" stuff is nonsense. "Working class" people are aspirational individuals and will vote for who they think best meets their aspirations. Wealth and titles won't disqualify someone if they come across as the right sort.
We wouldn't have her.
Not rich enough
dsr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:33 amI don't think that's relevant at all, though I dare say many members of the Labour party would. But they need to think on - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson didn't get the northern working class to vote for him because they thought he was an impoverished ordinary bloke.
This "working class people will vote for us because they're working class" stuff is nonsense. "Working class" people are aspirational individuals and will vote for who they think best meets their aspirations. Wealth and titles won't disqualify someone if they come across as the right sort.
Great post DA and very true. One of my all time Labour 'heroes' was one Anthony Wedgewood Benn, who came from a very priviledged background, renounced his peerage and, as Tony Benn, served the Labour party magnificently for years. I was fortunate enought to see him speak live once and a better orator you could not wish for. Intelligent and committed to the cause he was a credit to the Labour party. Many thought him too left wing but to this young Labour party member (and even to this day) he was the best Labour leader we NEVER had.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:01 amBorn and raised in Guildford. Parents teachers. Parents split when she was at a young age and her mum brought up her and her two brothers alone. Was quite poor relying on free school meals and food parcels. Struggled at school not passing her 11 plus. Worked as a cleaner and barmaid to help fund herself resitting her o-levels and taking her A-levels. Went on to study Law and become a successful lawyer specialising on Human Rights. Married a fellow barrister who was from a more privileged background who nevertheless was very successful to the point he was Knighted and received his title.
Have your own personal opinions of how you find her but if Labour is about working class aspirational people who through hard work and determination want to have the opportunity to make a better life for them and their family then Emily Thornberry seems a pretty good example to me
And yet she’s still a complete and utter bellend.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:01 amBorn and raised in Guildford. Parents teachers. Parents split when she was at a young age and her mum brought up her and her two brothers alone. Was quite poor relying on free school meals and food parcels. Struggled at school not passing her 11 plus. Worked as a cleaner and barmaid to help fund herself resitting her o-levels and taking her A-levels. Went on to study Law and become a successful lawyer specialising on Human Rights. Married a fellow barrister who was from a more privileged background who nevertheless was very successful to the point he was Knighted and received his title.
Have your own personal opinions of how you find her but if Labour is about working class aspirational people who through hard work and determination want to have the opportunity to make a better life for them and their family then Emily Thornberry seems a pretty good example to me
In 2001, a new young Labour MP was at a reception at the House of Commons, and spied Tony Benn ( her hero ), and approached him from behind to introduce herself. As he turned round, she was horrified to see that he was in deep conversation with Lady Thatcher ! She hesitantly introduced herself, and, ever polite, he said, " My dear, this is Margaret ". Lady Thatcher warmly congratulated her on her success, and the new MP laughed and said " I didn't expect to see you two together, after all your disagreements ! " ... They both laughed and Lady Thatcher put her hand on her arm, " It's always lovely to see Tony, he's a gentleman, and what we certainly do agree about, is Europe " !!houseboy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:30 amGreat post DA and very true. One of my all time Labour 'heroes' was one Anthony Wedgewood Benn, who came from a very priviledged background, renounced his peerage and, as Tony Benn, served the Labour party magnificently for years. I was fortunate enought to see him speak live once and a better orator you could not wish for. Intelligent and committed to the cause he was a credit to the Labour party. Many thought him too left wing but to this young Labour party member (and even to this day) he was the best Labour leader we NEVER had.
Nice story. A couple of quotes from the great man on Europe:Clarets4me wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:17 pmIn 2001, a new young Labour MP was at a reception at the House of Commons, and spied Tony Benn ( her hero ), and approached him from behind to introduce herself. As he turned round, she was horrified to see that he was in deep conversation with Lady Thatcher ! She hesitantly introduced herself, and, ever polite, he said, " My dear, this is Margaret ". Lady Thatcher warmly congratulated her on her success, and the new MP laughed and said " I didn't expect to see you two together, after all your disagreements ! " ... They both laughed and Lady Thatcher put her hand on her arm, " It's always lovely to see Tony, he's a gentleman, and what we certainly do agree about, is Europe " !!
And you can?elwaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:09 amI can see why she has been a successful barrister.... she presents herself with an air of someone who has it worked out.
.... unfortunately, believing as passionately as she does, she cannot see the errors in her formula. So it is perhaps just as well she hasn’t a snowball in hell’s chance.
After saying that I have not heard too much from the others to suggest a great or even competent leader for Labour beckons.
And Tony Benn would be sick to the stomach with the divisive and deceitful way in which the leave campaign has operated and the hostility it has created towards foreigners.houseboy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:58 pmNice story. A couple of quotes from the great man on Europe:
"My view of the EU has always been not that I am hostile to foreigners but I am in favour of democracy. I think they are building an empire and want us to be part of that empire, and I don't want that." On leaving the European Community
"When I saw how the European Union was developing, it was very obvious what they had in mind was not democratic. In Britain, you vote for a government so the government has to listen to you, and if you don't like it you can change it." On democracy in Europe
By pure chance my views entirely.
It might seem the more people vote for a government, the less they feel they have to listen to as you have given them carte blanche for 5 years to do what they want, especially as Manifestos are misleading and disinformative. They might lose 5-15 seats through by-elections through the term but no opposition, especially one as disastrous as the current one, can hold their feet to the flame over any single issue."When I saw how the European Union was developing, it was very obvious what they had in mind was not democratic. In Britain, you vote for a government so the government has to listen to you, and if you don't like it you can change it."
He may well have been DA. I just hope that now we can all pull together to make it work, it would be so sad if some remainers were to try to make it fail just for a political agenda. Even as a committed leaver I have hated the way it has torn the nation apart.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:05 pmAnd Tony Benn would be sick to the stomach with the divisive and deceitful way in which the leave campaign has operated and the hostility it has created towards foreigners.
Whist he may be a leaver he would not be a Brexiteer and would be much more aligned to the Labour leave position around keeping close ties with Europe rather than sailing towards isolationism
True but ultimately they would pay the price. The problem with the EU is that the elections are a bit of a farce as nothing changes whatever the result. And the president just 'emerges' as if from nowhere, no vote is given to the public on that. The EU alas is a very undemocratic organisation and that is one of the main reasons I and many others voted to leave.jollyjack wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:05 pmIt might seem the more people vote for a government, the less they feel they have to listen to as you have given them carte blanche for 5 years to do what they want, especially as Manifestos are misleading and disinformative. They might lose 5-15 seats through by-elections through the term but no opposition, especially one as disastrous as the current one, can hold their feet to the flame over any single issue.
Ignoring all the claptrap posted on here and the joking around (it is just a footy messageboard) then I think there is an issue on the leave side that when remain people try to hold our politicians to account and face up to facts there is a view that we are trying to make it fail.houseboy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:26 pmHe may well have been DA. I just hope that now we can all pull together to make it work, it would be so sad if some remainers were to try to make it fail just for a political agenda. Even as a committed leaver I have hated the way it has torn the nation apart.
Maybe she should share some of her wealth with the poor like Corbyn said.
A quote from a Labour MP about the original 6 EEC members ..... " This Country has spent much blood and treasury rescuing four of them from the other two, I never see why we should go crawling to them ! " ( Clem Attlee ).Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:05 pmWhist he may be a leaver he would not be a Brexiteer and would be much more aligned to the Labour leave position around keeping close ties with Europe rather than sailing towards isolationism
I read only today that the whole Brexit campaign has made some people ill.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:05 pmAnd Tony Benn would be sick to the stomach with the divisive and deceitful way in which the leave campaign has operated and the hostility it has created towards foreigners.
Whist he may be a leaver he would not be a Brexiteer and would be much more aligned to the Labour leave position around keeping close ties with Europe rather than sailing towards isolationism
When I was talking about Labours leave position it wasn't in relation to their election position but more about the general view of the pro-leave MPs within the Labour party.Clarets4me wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:55 pmA quote from a Labour MP about the original 6 EEC members ..... " This Country has spent much blood and treasury rescuing four of them from the other two, I never see why we should go crawling to them ! " ( Clem Attlee ).
By the way, " Devil's Advocate " is to be congratulated, he might just be the only person in the UK who understood Labour's Leave position at the last election ..
Seen just as much name calling and mud slinging from the Brexit lot so dont get all high and mighty. Plus the lies and propaganda from project leave has been the main thing that has divided this country and when you see fools like you who still think Russia is in Cahoots with Corbyn and the left then its hard not to call people thick. Surely calling something as you see it rather than protecting some snowflakes feeling is something as a right winger you should be in support of - unless your a complete hypocrite that isStayingup wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:58 pmI read only today that the whole Brexit campaign has made some people ill.
Remainers have a lot to answer for in trying to to overtrun a democratic vote and calling genuine intelligent and caring people thick and racist. Disgusting how many have behaved. No wonder the last election resulted in a massive majority for Jiohnson. Calling people thick and racist etc., is hardly the way to win back voters. No its them who were thick
I just think there has been too much garbage from both sides bud. We could argue all day and no end would come of it because all the arguments and beliefs are now so entrenched no-one is going to give on their position. My view on the remain side possibly wanting (only in extreme cases) to scuttle Brexit is just down to being a natural cynic, nothing more. When the Nos lost back in the 70s we accepted it gracefully and got on with it, I just hope the remain side now do the same. However we do live in different times now. Who knows mate - I don't have any answers.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:50 pmIgnoring all the claptrap posted on here and the joking around (it is just a footy messageboard) then I think there is an issue on the leave side that when remain people try to hold our politicians to account and face up to facts there is a view that we are trying to make it fail.
If we are going to all come together then the misinformation and the lies need to stop and we need to stop blaming remainers, the EU, Labour etc and take accountability for the decision to leave because until we face up to reality together we cannot unite and try to make the best of it
Brexit is happening, so I don’t understand how anyone favouring remain can scupper it. The party with the Brexit platform won the election, so I can’t see how other parties can even have a say in how it’s implemented. The Tories have nobody else to blame for what happens next.houseboy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:08 pmI just think there has been too much garbage from both sides bud. We could argue all day and no end would come of it because all the arguments and beliefs are now so entrenched no-one is going to give on their position. My view on the remain side possibly wanting (only in extreme cases) to scuttle Brexit is just down to being a natural cynic, nothing more. When the Nos lost back in the 70s we accepted it gracefully and got on with it, I just hope the remain side now do the same. However we do live in different times now. Who knows mate - I don't have any answers.
If your aim is to not have labour get into power for the next 15 years then she is a perfect candidate, the other two probably just limit labour to 10 years in the wildernessDevils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:01 amBorn and raised in Guildford. Parents teachers. Parents split when she was at a young age and her mum brought up her and her two brothers alone. Was quite poor relying on free school meals and food parcels. Struggled at school not passing her 11 plus. Worked as a cleaner and barmaid to help fund herself resitting her o-levels and taking her A-levels. Went on to study Law and become a successful lawyer specialising on Human Rights. Married a fellow barrister who was from a more privileged background who nevertheless was very successful to the point he was Knighted and received his title.
Have your own personal opinions of how you find her but if Labour is about working class aspirational people who through hard work and determination want to have the opportunity to make a better life for them and their family then Emily Thornberry seems a pretty good example to me
She's a class traitor then.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:01 amBorn and raised in Guildford. Parents teachers. Parents split when she was at a young age and her mum brought up her and her two brothers alone. Was quite poor relying on free school meals and food parcels. Struggled at school not passing her 11 plus. Worked as a cleaner and barmaid to help fund herself resitting her o-levels and taking her A-levels. Went on to study Law and become a successful lawyer specialising on Human Rights. Married a fellow barrister who was from a more privileged background who nevertheless was very successful to the point he was Knighted and received his title.
Have your own personal opinions of how you find her but if Labour is about working class aspirational people who through hard work and determination want to have the opportunity to make a better life for them and their family then Emily Thornberry seems a pretty good example to me
How dare you post the truth?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:01 amBorn and raised in Guildford. Parents teachers. Parents split when she was at a young age and her mum brought up her and her two brothers alone. Was quite poor relying on free school meals and food parcels. Struggled at school not passing her 11 plus. Worked as a cleaner and barmaid to help fund herself resitting her o-levels and taking her A-levels. Went on to study Law and become a successful lawyer specialising on Human Rights. Married a fellow barrister who was from a more privileged background who nevertheless was very successful to the point he was Knighted and received his title.
Have your own personal opinions of how you find her but if Labour is about working class aspirational people who through hard work and determination want to have the opportunity to make a better life for them and their family then Emily Thornberry seems a pretty good example to me