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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:37 am

Here's a simple fact that people need to get their heads around. The death toll in three months of Covid-19 is less than 3,000 worldwide. The infections in China have now been falling for more than a week now, so even if we extrapulate the 3,000 figure and make it an unlikely 12,000 over a year, that's still 50 times less than the 650,000 who die each year from Flu, including 10,000 in the UK.

Should Flu therefore make us panic 50 times more? I think not.

Try to put things in perspective and stop being panicked by scare stories designed to sell newspapers etc..
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Cryssys » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:27 am

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but did you know that corona virus is an anagram of carnivorous!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:28 am

I’ve booked to go skiing in Italy next month. The government advice currently seems to be “you can go if you want, but you’ll need to quarantine yourself when you get back.” What use is that?

How can I go if I’ll have to take an extra two weeks off work? If I don’t go I effectively flush best part of 2 grand down the toilet. At least if they give official advice not to travel I’ll be able to claim on the insurance. At the moment I’m screwed either way.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:37 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:37 am
Here's a simple fact that people need to get their heads around. The death toll in three months of Covid-19 is less than 3,000 worldwide. The infections in China have now been falling for more than a week now, so even if we extrapulate the 3,000 figure and make it an unlikely 12,000 over a year, that's still 50 times less than the 650,000 who die each year from Flu, including 10,000 in the UK.

Should Flu therefore make us panic 50 times more? I think not.

Try to put things in perspective and stop being panicked by scare stories designed to sell newspapers etc..
I think you're as guilty of underplaying this as some are of over-reaction.

This looks to the experts (who are all I've got to go on) like a novel virus with a mortality rate that's in the 1-3% range. That's not (despite what LowBankClaret would have you believe) just them dividing deaths by cases. That's their estimate as epidemiologists. Those same experts seem to think 60% ish of a population might catch this in an uncontrolled pandemic. In the UK that's 400K-1M deaths. That's against (I think someone corrected me above) 700k+ deaths in a normal year. Given that many of the victims are already very old or very ill there's some duplication in there and the likely effect would be higher deaths in the first couple of seasons with lower deaths shortly after as those deaths of older people have happened earlier.

Of course, old and ill people matter too and each death is a source of terrible grief to a family and friends but it's not the apocalypse.

That's why governments are taking serious steps to try and prevent the spread. Those actions are what has kept the death toll low.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:38 am

scouseclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:28 am
I’ve booked to go skiing in Italy next month. The government advice currently seems to be “you can go if you want, but you’ll need to quarantine yourself when you get back.” What use is that?

How can I go if I’ll have to take an extra two weeks off work? If I don’t go I effectively flush best part of 2 grand down the toilet. At least if they give official advice not to travel I’ll be able to claim on the insurance. At the moment I’m screwed either way.
You've misunderstood the advice.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:44 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:37 am
I think you're as guilty of underplaying this as some are of over-reaction.

This looks to the experts (who are all I've got to go on) like a novel virus with a mortality rate that's in the 1-3% range. That's not (despite what LowBankClaret would have you believe) just them dividing deaths by cases. That's their estimate as epidemiologists. Those same experts seem to think 60% ish of a population might catch this in an uncontrolled pandemic. In the UK that's 400K-1M deaths. That's against (I think someone corrected me above) 700k+ deaths in a normal year. Given that many of the victims are already very old or very ill there's some duplication in there and the likely effect would be higher deaths in the first couple of seasons with lower deaths shortly after as those deaths of older people have happened earlier.

Of course, old and ill people matter too and each death is a source of terrible grief to a family and friends but it's not the apocalypse.

That's why governments are taking serious steps to try and prevent the spread. Those actions are what has kept the death toll low.
Two of your words qualify this issue for me “uncontrolled pandemic”. The very fact that there are many efforts from many experts across the globe means that this outbreak, whilst possibly a pandemic, will most certainly not be uncontrolled and as such the apocalypse that some experts refer to when questioned, whilst accurate in their minds, is now going to be controlled. It is the extent at which control is exercised and by whom that is unknown at this stage, which will affect the possible outcomes.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:02 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:37 am
I think you're as guilty of underplaying this as some are of over-reaction.

This looks to the experts (who are all I've got to go on) like a novel virus with a mortality rate that's in the 1-3% range. That's not (despite what LowBankClaret would have you believe) just them dividing deaths by cases. That's their estimate as epidemiologists. Those same experts seem to think 60% ish of a population might catch this in an uncontrolled pandemic. In the UK that's 400K-1M deaths. That's against (I think someone corrected me above) 700k+ deaths in a normal year. Given that many of the victims are already very old or very ill there's some duplication in there and the likely effect would be higher deaths in the first couple of seasons with lower deaths shortly after as those deaths of older people have happened earlier.

Of course, old and ill people matter too and each death is a source of terrible grief to a family and friends but it's not the apocalypse.

That's why governments are taking serious steps to try and prevent the spread. Those actions are what has kept the death toll low.
Your assumption that 60% of a population will get the virus is ridiculous. In Hubei province, the epicentre of the virus, where for a long time people didn't even know about it, and took no precautions at all, only about 70,000 people have become infected. With a population of 58.5 million, that's only about one person in 800 or 0.125% The vast majority of all cases recover, so I really don't know what you are panicking about.

Stop spreading fear.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:05 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:02 am
Your assumption that 60% of a population will get the virus is ridiculous. In Hubei province, the epicentre of the virus, where for a long time people didn't even know about it, and took no precautions at all, only about 70,000 people have become infected. With a population of 58.5 million, that's only about one person in 800 or 0.125% Most of all cases recover, so I really don't know what you are panicking about.
Don't tell me. Tell epidemiology experts.

You're as bad as those who are panicking. You cherry pick data that you don't understand to confirm a conclusion you've already reached.

I'm not panicked at all. I'm taking no actions on this and just getting on with my life but writing it off as "just like" or "not as bad as" this season's flu is completely contrary to the science.

"Given how transmissible this virus appears to be... then 60% is a reasonable figure for the epidemic size. Within the first 12 months or so... Our best estimates at the moment is that maybe 1% of people who get infected might die."
Prof. Neil Ferguson, Imperial College.

But then he's probably just an idiot compared to you.

Your Hubei example is flawed because, although there clearly was a period when this was happening entirely under the radar, intervention took place before they reached "the second half of the chess board".
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by If it be your will » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:25 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:02 am
Your assumption that 60% of a population will get the virus is ridiculous. In Hubei province, the epicentre of the virus, where for a long time people didn't even know about it, and took no precautions at all, only about 70,000 people have become infected. With a population of 58.5 million, that's only about one person in 800 or 0.125% The vast majority of all cases recover, so I really don't know what you are panicking about.

Stop spreading fear.
This is an interesting take. The biggest hope for coronavirus turning out to be 'not as bad as the data suggests' is that there are millions of mild, unrecorded cases that are quietly recovering without incident. And if that is true, it must be highly transmissible (it's only been around for about 12 weeks, after all), and an eventual 60% infection rate would be highly likely.

If there aren't millions of such mild cases out there, and the data is indeed an accurate representation of the effects of coronavirus (mortality 3%, severe/critical illness in 20%), then we have an extremely dangerous virus on our hands.

It would be hard to argue that it is both fairly benign and not very infectious. I'm actively hoping it is fairly benign (in most people) and, therefore, that it must be highly infectious.

(As it happens I'm still waiting for unmistakable evidence that it isn't both!)

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:26 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:05 am
Don't tell me. Tell epidemiology experts.

You're as bad as those who are panicking. You cherry pick data that you don't understand to confirm a conclusion you've already reached.

I'm not panicked at all. I'm taking no actions on this and just getting on with my life but writing it off as "just like" or "not as bad as" this season's flu is completely contrary to the science.

"Given how transmissible this virus appears to be... then 60% is a reasonable figure for the epidemic size. Within the first 12 months or so... Our best estimates at the moment is that maybe 1% of people who get infected might die."
Prof. Neil Ferguson, Imperial College.

But then he's probably just an idiot compared to you.
Based on those figures, 60% of Hubei province is 35 million people, and 1% of that is 350,000. So 350,000 will die in the first 12 months in Hubei, and so far it's 2,500 or so; so the prediction is that there will be a very sharp rise shortly. Time will tell.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:28 am

dsr wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:26 am
Based on those figures, 60% of Hubei province is 35 million people, and 1% of that is 350,000. So 350,000 will die in the first 12 months in Hubei, and so far it's 2,500 or so; so the prediction is that there will be a very sharp rise shortly. Time will tell.
No. That's only if left unchecked.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:30 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:05 am
Don't tell me. Tell epidemiology experts.

You're as bad as those who are panicking. You cherry pick data that you don't understand to confirm a conclusion you've already reached.

I'm not panicked at all. I'm taking no actions on this and just getting on with my life but writing it off as "just like" or "not as bad as" this season's flu is completely contrary to the science.

"Given how transmissible this virus appears to be... then 60% is a reasonable figure for the epidemic size. Within the first 12 months or so... Our best estimates at the moment is that maybe 1% of people who get infected might die."
Prof. Neil Ferguson, Imperial College.

But then he's probably just an idiot compared to you.
No, you're the one that's cherry picking stats. I'm looking at the latest current data available. You are looking at worst case scenarios and multiplying by 100 or more.

Do you accept that only 0.125% of the people in Hubei Province have contracted the virus? Most of whom have recovered fully, thanks to readily available anti viral drugs. Probably not, because you have your own fear stirring agenda which isn't helping anyone.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by If it be your will » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:36 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:30 am
No, you're the one that's cherry picking stats. I'm looking at the latest current data available. You are looking at worst case scenarios and multiplying by 100 or more.

Do you accept that only 0.125% of the people in Hubei Province have contracted the virus? Most of whom have recovered fully, thanks to readily available anti viral drugs. Probably not, because you have your own fear stirring agenda which isn't helping anyone.
Can you see that if you are of the view that only 0.125% in Hubei have got this, then it's mortality rate is indeed 3% or more? I'm hoping considerably more than 0.125% in Hubei have got this, recovered, and didn't even know they had it. That would be our best hope.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:36 am

If it be your will wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:25 am
This is an interesting take. The biggest hope for coronavirus turning out to be 'not as bad as the data suggests' is that there are millions of mild, unrecorded cases that are quietly recovering without incident. And if that is true, it must be highly transmissible (it's only been around for about 12 weeks, after all), and an eventual 60% infection rate would be highly likely.

If there aren't millions of such mild cases out there, and the data is indeed an accurate representation of the effects of coronavirus (mortality 3%, severe/critical illness in 20%), then we have an extremely dangerous virus on our hands.

It would be hard to argue that it is both fairly benign and not very infectious. I'm actively hoping it is fairly benign (in most people) and, therefore, that it must be highly infectious.

(As it happens I'm still waiting for unmistakable evidence that it isn't both!)
Not sure I understand your logic. Why if it's relatively benign does it have to be highly infectios? Only 0.125% of the worst hit population have contracted it, so far as we know. There's no point in guessing the number of mild infections that have gone unreported, because they don't matter and are probably no worse than a cold.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:36 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:30 am
No, you're the one that's cherry picking stats. I'm looking at the latest current data available. You are looking at worst case scenarios and multiplying by 100 or more.

Do you accept that only 0.125% of the people in Hubei Province have contracted the virus? Most of whom have recovered fully, thanks to readily available anti viral drugs. Probably not, because you have your own fear stirring agenda which isn't helping anyone.
I accept the 0.125% as the reported figure. I also take as credible the pronouncements of senior epidemiologists that there are likely many more asymptomatic or very mild infections.

I love the way you make up stuff about "readily available antiviral drugs". That's literally just **** you made up on the spot.

The WHO (probably another bunch of experts you dismiss):
"There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for COVID-19".

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:38 am

If it be your will wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:36 am
Can you see that if you are of the view that only 0.125% in Hubei have got this, then it's mortality rate is indeed 3% or more? I'm hoping considerably more than 0.125% in Hubei have got this, recovered, and didn't even know they had it. That would be our best hope.
Why do you keep swapping between mortality rates of 1% and 3%. Simple answer, you haven't got a clue.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:42 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:36 am
I accept the 0.125% as the reported figure. I also take as credible the pronouncements of senior epidemiologists that there are likely many more asymptomatic or very mild infections.

I love the way you make up stuff about "readily available antiviral drugs". That's literally just **** you made up on the spot.

The WHO (probably another bunch of experts you dismiss):
"There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for COVID-19".
I don't dismiss the WHO at all. I wish more people would listen to what THEY are saying instead of what the media is pushing out.

The quote of "There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for COVID-19". was made because there isn't ONE specific anti viral drug in use. Many are being used and some are more effective than others. It's a learning curve that we are on at the moment but the WHO is our best bet, not the media.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:47 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:42 am
I don't dismiss the WHO at all. I wish more people would listen to what THEY are saying instead of what the media is pushing out.

The quote of "There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for COVID-19". was made because there isn't ONE specific anti viral drug in use. Many are being used and some are more effective than others. It's a learning curve that we are on at the moment but the WHO is our best bet, not the media.
There's no evidence yet as to which, if any, of the multiple drugs that are being trialled / used are effective. With a mortality rate seemingly in that 1-3% range, it's quite hard to work out what's effective when 97-99% of those affected recover anyway with appropriate support.

The fact that those on both sides who are ignoring the science are claiming I'm wrong reassures me that I'm probably treading a rational middle ground.

If you want to state your credentials so that I can weight your response against the likes of Prof. Ferguson and others, of course, please do so.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:51 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:47 am
There's no evidence yet as to which, if any, of the multiple drugs that are being trialled / used are effective. With a mortality rate seemingly in that 1-3% range, it's quite hard to work out what's effective when 97-99% of those affected recover anyway with appropriate support.

The fact that those on both sides who are ignoring the science are claiming I'm wrong reassures me that I'm probably treading a rational middle ground.
You make my point for me about anti viral drugs. Some are more effective than others, so why quote WHO as saying "There is no specific antiviral treatment recommended for COVID-19". when some are working better than others.

Your death rates are way over the top though.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:52 am

When did all these UTC posters get their degrees/doctorates in pathology/epidemiology/pharmacology
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by If it be your will » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:59 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:52 am
When did all these UTC posters get their degrees/doctorates in pathology/epidemiology/pharmacology
I think that little jibe has been done on this thread 3 or 4 times already. We're just interested in trying to piece the information together, that's all.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:59 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:52 am
When did all these UTC posters get their degrees/doctorates in pathology/epidemiology/pharmacology
They didn't mate, but some of us can read, and if you read enough, you learn quite bit.

A great source of learning is www.ted.com where you can watch lectures by great minds on every subject under the sun, including the ones you mention.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:01 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:52 am
When did all these UTC posters get their degrees/doctorates in pathology/epidemiology/pharmacology
I have a 1st class honours degree in a scientific subject and I am capable of interpreting data, of which all of it is widely available on the internet.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:39 pm

I salute and indeed bow to all of your superior knowledge.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by If it be your will » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:42 pm

Reading this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... nomy-falls

I think it's reasonable to suggest that efforts at containment have failed.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by If it be your will » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:43 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:39 pm
I salute and indeed bow to all of your superior knowledge.
You're not stupid. I'd actually be quite interested in your interpretation of the information available, if you'd like to contribute.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:44 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:39 pm
I salute and indeed bow to all of your superior knowledge.
The knowledge is not superior, it’s merely data. It’s how people interpret the data that matters

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Dy1geo » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:44 pm

A guy who I was speaking to last night said he was pretty worried about the Coronavirus and that it could kill you and the precautions he was going to take, which I thought to be a tad ironic given that he was smoking a fag at the time
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:50 pm

If it be your will wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:42 pm
Reading this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... nomy-falls

I think it's reasonable to suggest that efforts at containment have failed.
Of course containment has failed. That's been obvious for weeks now. That deosn't mean it's as virulent as you suggest, it just means it's likely to be as common as other things like Flu. And probably no worse.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by mdd2 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:55 pm

If it be your will wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:42 pm
Reading this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... nomy-falls

I think it's reasonable to suggest that efforts at containment have failed.
Given Mr Hancock has advised Brits returning from Northern Italy to self quarantine for 2 weeks, you can bet your life that this ain't going to be contained.
Let's hope we can keep it away until the end of the season

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claretmatt4 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:04 pm

Due to fly to Venice for a week on Monday... It's in Veneto which is one of the affected regions in Italy.

From the sounds of it a lot of the attractions are closed to the public so I'm not sure if it's worth us even going!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:13 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:55 pm
Given Mr Hancock has advised Brits returning from Northern Italy to self quarantine for 2 weeks, you can bet your life that this ain't going to be contained.
Let's hope we can keep it away until the end of the season
That's a very imprecise rendering of the current advice.

If you've been to-
Specific areas of Northern Italy : self-quarantine if you have symptoms.
Very small areas of Northern Italy (pop. 50,000) : self-quarantine.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by claret2018 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:25 pm

It will be fine
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:40 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:55 pm
Given Mr Hancock has advised Brits returning from Northern Italy to self quarantine for 2 weeks, you can bet your life that this ain't going to be contained.
Let's hope we can keep it away until the end of the season
Not a hope in hell, in my view & some other more professional people the measures aren't strict enough, it's a killer, the shift seems to be using flu as some sort of yardstick in evaluating the virus, we could always compare Ted Bundy & Peter Sutcliffe to see which 1 had the highest murder rate, Peter Sutcliffe must have been a kinder murderer.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by houseboy » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:48 pm

I have avoided this thread so far because I had a good idea what to expect...and I was right. I have read some of page 1 and some of page 9 and left the rest alone.
Conclusion: never in the history of man has so much expert opinion been put forward by so many with no knowledge at all of what they are talking about.
Leave it to the real experts guys...you are only upsetting yourselves.
I'll just return to my ignorance and listen as and when the doctors tell us something REAL.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:51 pm

houseboy wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:48 pm
I have avoided this thread so far because I had a good idea what to expect...and I was right. I have read some of page 1 and some of page 9 and left the rest alone.
Conclusion: never in the history of man has so much expert opinion been put forward by so many with no knowledge at all of what they are talking about.
Leave it to the real experts guys...you are only upsetting yourselves.
I'll just return to my ignorance and listen as and when the doctors tell us some thing REAL.
Attempts to relay what experts are saying have not been received well.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:55 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:40 pm
Not a hope in hell, in my view & some other more professional people the measures aren't strict enough, it's a killer, the shift seems to be using flu as some sort of yardstick in evaluating the virus, we could always compare Ted Bundy & Peter Sutcliffe to see which 1 had the highest murder rate, Peter Sutcliffe must have been a kinder murderer.
I think the real numbers of deaths and those infected could be far far higher than those being reported.

Lets see where we are in 6 weeks time but to slow down the spread I think our borders should be closed.

What ever happens the world economy is going to take a battering with companies suffering ( airlines etc ) and pension funds being turned into under funded scenarios if stockarkets crash as expected.

House prices will very likely fall too.

I think its the worst crisis in my lifetime

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:59 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:55 pm
I think the real numbers of deaths and those infected could be far far higher than those being reported.

Lets see where we are in 6 weeks time but to slow down the spread I think our borders should be closed.

What ever happens the world economy is going to take a battering with companies suffering ( airlines etc ) and pension funds being turned into under funded scenarios if stockarkets crash as expected.

House prices will very likely fall too.

I think its the worst crisis in my lifetime
It's definitely a big problem for sure, I'd stop short at a crisis, it will effect people differently, age & location, I wouldn't like to be a old person in China right now.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:02 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:59 pm
It's definitely a big problem for sure, I'd stop short at a crisis, it will effect people differently, age & location, I wouldn't like to be a old person in China right now.
affect*

We may be all about to peg out in a viral apocalypse but that's no reason for standards to slip.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:06 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:02 pm
affect*
Premonition text :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by SalouClaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:07 pm

A school in Blackburn has closed due to members of staff becoming ill after returning from a half term trip to northern Italy :|

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:08 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:02 pm
affect*

We may be all about to peg out in a viral apocalypse but that's no reason for standards to slip.
True, it's a massive problem I just wish a few of you would recognise, you don't have to panic to be realistic.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:09 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:07 pm
A school in Blackburn has closed due to members of staff becoming ill after returning from a half term trip to northern Italy :|
Game against Spurs could well be off.

And if it goes ahead many stay away.

The Bob Lord could be almost empty

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:09 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:52 am
When did all these UTC posters get their degrees/doctorates in pathology/epidemiology/pharmacology
Google is a great tool :D
Iam not reading 9 pages of people pretending to know something about it. Iam off to Tenerife.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:10 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:07 pm
A school in Blackburn has closed due to members of staff becoming ill after returning from a half term trip to northern Italy :|
Where's this been reported?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:11 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:07 pm
A school in Blackburn has closed due to members of staff becoming ill after returning from a half term trip to northern Italy :|
If that's St Christopher's, I think the reason it's closed is because no-one has enough confidence or information to keep it open. Not because someone is ill.

Who is there in a position of authority who could say "the school has had a school trip to Italy, but we think it's OK"?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by SalouClaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:12 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:10 pm
Where's this been reported?


It hasn't yet. My best friend's brother is a PE teacher there and has just been informed. I imagine it will be reported soon.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by SalouClaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:15 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:11 pm
If that's St Christopher's, I think the reason it's closed is because no-one has enough confidence or information to keep it open. Not because someone is ill.

Who is there in a position of authority who could say "the school has had a school trip to Italy, but we think it's OK"?


I don't know, I don't care. I was just relaying a message from a teacher there haha.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:20 pm

SalouClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:12 pm
It hasn't yet. My best friend's brother is a PE teacher there and has just been informed. I imagine it will be reported soon.
Might be best to keep quiet then, not really doing anyone any favours with rumours, wrong towns etc.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by SalouClaret » Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:24 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:20 pm
Might be best to keep quiet then, not really doing anyone any favours with rumours, wrong towns etc.


Sorry, 6 miles out. And it's not a rumour but cheers for the reply.

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