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Re: Coronavirus

Post by barba » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:23 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:06 pm
The country won't go into lockdown. The infection and impact isn't anything like the level that would be required. Utilities, health and food logistics would be exactly the things that would still run.
I hope you're right but guess time will tell.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by mdd2 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:45 pm

First death of a Brit announced as one of the tourists on the ship off Japan has died in hospital there
Sad news for his family and friends
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:47 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:58 am
I suspect more people will have died from standard variations of the flu virus that come and go each year.
Absolutely right. 650,000 people die each year from seasonal Flu. 10,000 of them in the UK and we have a vaccine for that and it still kills people.

Some of the posters on here need to get a sense of perspective.

One poster claims to have bought Hazmat suits for his family. He probably hasn't actually. He's just one of the many fear mongers on here.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:50 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:47 pm
Absolutely right. 650,000 people die each year from seasonal Flu. 10,000 of them in the UK and we have a vaccine for that and it still kills people.

Some of the posters on here need to get a sense of perspective.

One poster claims to have bought Hazmat suits for his family. He probably hasn't actually. He's just one of the many fear mongers on here.
Why do you discount the epidemiologists who estimate a 60% infection rate and a 1% IFR if this went through the population? Have you seen some other estimates?

I'm not sure what your point is about the fact we have a vaccine for flu. That would mean that this novel virus with no vaccine is more likely to do harm, wouldn't it?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by claret2018 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:54 pm

What you're all forgetting is that we've left the EU now so these nasty foreign viruses won't affect us Brits.

Brexit means Brexit.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:55 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:50 pm
Why do you discount the epidemiologists who estimate a 60% infection rate and a 1% IFR if this went through the population? Have you seen some other estimates?

I'm not sure what your point is about the fact we have a vaccine for flu. That would mean that this novel virus with no vaccine is more likely to do harm, wouldn't it?
I don't discount, or count anything. I'm just not panicking when there is no cause to panic.

No doubt the fearmongers will now jump on the case of the British 'Diamond Princess' passenger dying, (Not yet comfirmed by the way.) but it has to be said that the authorities in charge handled that situation very badly.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:56 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:54 pm
What you're all forgetting is that we've left the EU now so these nasty foreign viruses won't affect us Brits.

Brexit means Brexit.
Given the circumstances, that is the post of a very sad man / woman.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:00 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:54 pm
What you're all forgetting is that we've left the EU now so these nasty foreign viruses won't affect us Brits.

Brexit means Brexit.
Bellend.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by KateR » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:01 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:43 am
and, more from International SOS briefing

check airline websites if you are travelling. there are some destinations that are operating health checks (temp check, at minimum). If you are unwell for another reason - eg. cold, winter flu - you run the risk of being quarantined on the assumption that you my have covid-19.

(I think I'm done now)
I got this from my SOS mail today since I am flying later:
"Italian far-right leader Matteo Salvini plans to hold a serious of events over the coming weeks in the capital London, Brighton (East Sussex county) and Liverpool (Merseyside county)".

I have been warned/told to stay away as there will be demonstrations and large crowds expected, this is a security warning regarding clashes and avoiding trouble, given this virus issue it might have been a good time to stop it but then of course we have the other crowds and we know what will be said. I have no clue as to why and Italian far-right is actually ding anything in the UK though.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:04 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:00 pm
Bellend.
Got to agree but I was trying to be kind to the sadly afflicted.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by claret2018 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:04 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:00 pm
Bellend.

Fair enough, that was a poorly thought out post.

Is anyone else surprised by how slowly it is spreading? I always assumed that these things would affect the entire world within days, given the amount of travel that takes place every day.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:21 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:04 pm
Fair enough, that was a poorly thought out post.

Is anyone else surprised by how slowly it is spreading? I always assumed that these things would affect the entire world within days, given the amount of travel that takes place every day.
It's spreading slowly because the world is now aware of it. When it started in Wuhan. no one knew about it until a lot of people were infected. Therefore there were a lot more people spreading the disease. Now, cases in Wuhan and greater China are dropping fast.

There have been far worse Coronavirues than this one. MERS and SARS had far higher death rates and we lived through those.

I have no doubt, that one day, a virilant disease will come along and kill millions (Probably a Flu variant.) but it's not this one.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by mdd2 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:12 pm

I really hope you are correct on this one but I suspect you will be proved wrong with millions infected and only 100 million around the worldi to kill a million
If it behaves as Spanish flu according to the N Eng J Med today’s toll would be 200 million
Travel is more common these days and more so by air so I think it will run its course over then next 12 months but hope I am wrong and you are the correct one

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:15 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:21 pm
It's spreading slowly because the world is now aware of it. When it started in Wuhan. no one knew about it until a lot of people were infected. Therefore there were a lot more people spreading the disease. Now, cases in Wuhan and greater China are dropping fast.

There have been far worse Coronavirues than this one. MERS and SARS had far higher death rates and we lived through those.

I have no doubt, that one day, a virilant disease will come along and kill millions (Probably a Flu variant.) but it's not this one.
Or it's become dormant in a state of hibernation & just lingering with potential menace.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:22 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:21 pm
It's spreading slowly because the world is now aware of it. When it started in Wuhan. no one knew about it until a lot of people were infected. Therefore there were a lot more people spreading the disease. Now, cases in Wuhan and greater China are dropping fast.

There have been far worse Coronavirues than this one. MERS and SARS had far higher death rates and we lived through those.

I have no doubt, that one day, a virilant disease will come along and kill millions (Probably a Flu variant.) but it's not this one.

You missed YET.
The big fear is not what the virus is, but rather it’s potential to mutate. It has displayed it can cross species, which is a pretty good sign that potentially it could mutate into a Proper killing virus of plague proportions if we don’t deal with it quickly....

Signs are that could be around for years... only adding to its threat.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:37 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:23 am

First thing - and maybe this had already been posted on earlier pages - best site for Covid-19 data tracking is Johns Hopkins CSSE:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

Last updated 10:03:12 (UTC): Total Confirmed 83,704; Recovered 36,665; Deaths 2,859.

But, database isn't perfect. N.Ireland is showing as 1 case; but, nothing for Great Britain (or England, Wales and Scotland, separately). There was data there an hour earlier, either 16 or 19 (I forget). I suspect the US recording has been thrown by Wales reporting a case - and they are now working out where Wales is, possibly previously having "England" down as "United Kingdom."

So, in the 4:23:03 p.m. update Total Confirmed 83,867; Recovered 36,686; Deaths 2,867.

United Kingdom is back on their map: 19 cases, including 8 recovered.

Northern Ireland is also on their map: 1 case.

Has Johns Hopkins given N.Ireland independence from UK?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:18 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:15 pm
Or it's become dormant in a state of hibernation & just lingering with potential menace.
Diddums. Am I spoiling your scare story?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:20 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:22 pm
You missed YET.
The big fear is not what the virus is, but rather it’s potential to mutate. It has displayed it can cross species, which is a pretty good sign that potentially it could mutate into a Proper killing virus of plague proportions if we don’t deal with it quickly....

Signs are that could be around for years... only adding to its threat.
Guesses and supposition on your part. Someone else who likes to spread fear.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:32 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:18 pm
Diddums. Am I spoiling your scare story?
I'm exploring all possibilities as opposed to your fixed thinking that everything will run smooth & the best casebook scenario will be the only outcome.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:35 pm

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:37 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:32 pm
I'm exploring all possibilities as opposed to your fixed thinking that everything will run smooth & the best casebook scenario will be the only outcome.
No, you're not. You are always talking about worst case scenarios.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:38 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:35 pm
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Can you get me a couple of crates? It's probably going cheap.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:39 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:37 pm
No, you're not. You are always talking about worst case scenarios.
I'm a man of the world & I've been around the block more than once, always expect the unexpected.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:45 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:39 pm
I'm a man of the world & I've been around the block more than once, always expect the unexpected.
Your posts are always on the negative side. Just for a change, why not try to be a bit more positive?

You have a one track agenda and that's to scare people.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:49 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:45 pm
Your posts are always on the negative side. Just for a change, why not try to be a bit more positive?

You have a one track agenda and that's to scare people.
Ok everything will be fine then & no problems will arise, satisfied?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:17 pm

News tonight that the government is considering more widespread restrictions, including possibly postponing or cancelling sporting fixtures.

Obviously the health of people comes first but it will be interesting if the football season ends early, to see what happens to league positions etc.. Will we have a 'Pools panel' type scenario, deciding unplayed games? That would cause some arguments especially where promotion and relegation is concerned.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:20 pm

Anybody not booked a summer hol abroad yet and thinking they might just stay in the UK. It's certainly making me apprehensive and I'm going to leave it until last minute if I do drag the family away.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:33 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:45 pm
Your posts are always on the negative side. Just for a change, why not try to be a bit more positive?

You have a one track agenda and that's to scare people.
Being realistic is not being negative nor a scaremonger
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:36 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:17 pm
News tonight that the government is considering more widespread restrictions, including possibly postponing or cancelling sporting fixtures.

Obviously the health of people comes first but it will be interesting if the football season ends early, to see what happens to league positions etc.. Will we have a 'Pools panel' type scenario, deciding unplayed games? That would cause some arguments especially where promotion and relegation is concerned.
That is it . It has gone too far . Cancelling the footy. No not having it. Close the borders burn the infected ban euro games. No foreign travel grow your own veg.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:39 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:17 pm
News tonight that the government is considering more widespread restrictions, including possibly postponing or cancelling sporting fixtures.

Obviously the health of people comes first but it will be interesting if the football season ends early, to see what happens to league positions etc.. Will we have a 'Pools panel' type scenario, deciding unplayed games? That would cause some arguments especially where promotion and relegation is concerned.
Could be played behind closed doors.

The situation is very serious.

Newcastle wont be shaking hands before the game tomorrow


Could be played behind closed doors
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:39 pm

Latest Covid-19 data tracking is Johns Hopkins CSSE:

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 7b48e9ecf6

Last updated 10:03:12 (UTC): Total Confirmed 83,704; Recovered 36,665; Deaths 2,859.

So, 8:13 p.m. update Total Confirmed 84,119; Recovered 36,687; Deaths 2,871.

United Kingdom now showing 20 cases, including 8 recovered.

and Northern Ireland also on their map: 1 case - apparently Johns Hopkins has declared N.Ireland independence from UK.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:40 pm

paulatky wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:33 pm
Being realistic is not being negative nor a scaremonger
I've tried explaining that, when you are emotionally attached you lose sight of reality, I want this virus to go away but you can't gloss over & sugarcoat just how serious things have become & are becoming.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:42 pm

paulatky wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:39 pm
Could be played behind closed doors
Have seen it reported that Son will self-isolate when he returns from S.Korea.

BBC: Coronavirus: Footballers worried as World Cup & Tokyo 2020 Olympics qualifiers under threat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51673076

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:42 pm

paulatky wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:39 pm
Could be played behind closed doors.

The situation is very serious.

Newcastle wont be shaking hands before the game tomorrow


Could be played behind closed doors
It certainly won't be people guessing the results.

Behind closed doors or all declared 0-0 draws depending on the circumstances.

Newcastle will, by the way, be shaking hands (unless the situation changes before tomorrow). They are not shaking hands at their training sessions. It never ceases to surprise me how straightforward information gets mangled by people.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Spijed » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:53 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:40 pm
I've tried explaining that, when you are emotionally attached you lose sight of reality, I want this virus to go away but you can't gloss over & sugarcoat just how serious things have become & are becoming.
Is it really becoming serious and if so, what do you think the worse case scenario could be?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:55 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:20 pm
Guesses and supposition on your part. Someone else who likes to spread fear.
On the contrary, just someone who listens to radio 4 while travelling to uni. Who has not posted on this thread. But thanks for playing
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:59 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:53 pm
Is it really becoming serious and if so, what do you think the worse case scenario could be?
Oh, don't ask him that. It will be the Zombie Apocalypse. ;)

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:00 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:53 pm
Is it really becoming serious and if so, what do you think the worse case scenario could be?
Really really hard to say, but it's not good, so much depends on containment & people following advice & being really hygienic, it's just something we don't need, don't want, haven't asked for. What about you what do you think the worse case scenario could be?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Spijed » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:02 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:00 pm
Really really hard to say, but it's not good, so much depends on containment & people following advice & being really hygienic, it's just something we don't need, don't want, haven't asked for. What about you what do you think the worse case scenario could be?
No worse that what you'd expect from a flu epidemic that you get from time to time.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:08 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:02 pm
No worse that what you'd expect from a flu epidemic that you get from time to time.
Has the early science overestimated the likely number of cases, the fatality rate or both?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:02 pm
No worse that what you'd expect from a flu epidemic that you get from time to time.
From something so embryonic, it shouldn't be killing so many people right left & centre, I hope you are right but I suspect you are wrong.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by tim_noone » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:24 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm
From something so embryonic, it shouldn't be killing so many people right left & centre, I hope you are right but I suspect you are wrong.
Not being funny jakub...but were only passing through remember. Re Ghosts. So I'm surprised at your continued input regards the virus?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Spijed » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:20 pm
From something so embryonic, it shouldn't be killing so many people right left & centre, I hope you are right but I suspect you are wrong.
Didn't we have the same fears with the SARS virus?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 pm

Flu is the really dangerous one in my opinion. Between 1918 and 1919, flu killed between 20 and 40 million people. More than were killed in the Great war.

Bird Flu is the strain that really worries the scientific community.

H5N1 (since 1997)
H7N9 (since 2013)
H5N6 (since 2014)
H5N8 (since 2016)

Although H5N1, H7N9 and H5N6 don't infect people easily and aren't usually spread from human to human, several people have been infected around the world, leading to a number of deaths. H5N8 has not infected any humans worldwide to date.

The worry is, if any of the above mutate in some way, which virus's frequently do.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:31 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:24 pm
Not being funny jakub...but were only passing through remember. Re Ghosts. So I'm surprised at your continued input regards the virus?
True, at 1 point I'd said I'd had enough & wasn't going to continue, a question got asked about if I'd watched the news & I continued from that point, it's quite interesting for me & other people because it's constantly changing, & some people can't agree on the severity of the virus, but point taken TN I should be considering a exit strategy by now I can take the hint.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:37 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 pm
Didn't we have the same fears with the SARS virus?
I haven't researched anything about SARS so won't comment, reading other posts lowbank claret might be a better person to ask & not me.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:38 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 pm
Didn't we have the same fears with the SARS virus?
Yes, and look what happened with that, even though the death rate was about twenty times higher.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Bfcboyo » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:42 pm

Positives

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51654215

This chaps happy.

:?

Thanks to the Coronavirus . Doesn't sound right.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:43 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 pm
Didn't we have the same fears with the SARS virus?
SARS was different in many ways. In terms of the numbers infected, it was easier to contain as transmission was much more frequent when symptoms were present. This one is transmitted before symptoms appear. In terms of mortality rates, we don't know yet, but estimates seem to be SARS was 3 to 10 times worse (much more towards the 10 times as far as I can see but I guess we'll not know until this one's much closer to over)

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:58 pm

Bfcboyo wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:42 pm
Positives

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51654215

This chaps happy.

:?

Thanks to the Coronavirus . Doesn't sound right.
Covid-19 isn't his fault. Good luck to him. Mask manufacturers are doing well too.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

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