Covid-19

[Gordaleman]

What evidence is there that people will become immune.

Reports in China is that re-infection rates are 10-15% whilst others point out that number might be because people had not really recovered the first time. Also can any info to come out of China be relied upon

Your second option is the more likely The scaremongerers who put those figures out misquoted them deliberately. The facts were quite simple. The secondary infections weren't infections at all. To be infected, the disease has to get into your system. The figures you are quoting were people who, when tested, had it on their skin. So called, low level infection. Probably due to being close to someone else who had it.

The same scaremongerers also tried to suggest it was being passed to family pets, just becase someone left a few germs on an animal when they patted it.

You carry on being scared if you like. I'm certainly not worried at this stage.

[claret2018]

Lowbank has been stockpiling naff trainers by the look of it

[Gordaleman]

Here’s a fact you can dispute.

Name one country who has lockdown any people for seasonal flu??

None that I'm aware of, but you can guarantee it will happen in the not too distant future, because that's the world we live in now with people panicking if they see their own shadow.

Anyway, what's the problem with Lombardy being in quarantine? It doesn't mean people can't go to work or go shopping. It just means they can't invite people into, or leave the area. If our government told me I couldn't leave Lancashire and travel to Yorkshire for a couple of weeks, do you think it would bother me?

[thatdberight]

What evidence is there that people will become immune.

Reports in China is that re-infection rates are 10-15% whilst others point out that number might be because people had not really recovered the first time. Also can any info to come out of China be relied upon

I'm not sure if you're even capable of rational thought any more but you need to read the long list of caveats as to whether it exists and the very different effects of any re-infection at:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN20M124

Or you could just stand shrieking.

[Zlatan]

This thread is turning into a Monty Python sketch

[thatdberight]

The same scaremongerers also tried to suggest it was being passed to family pets, just becase someone left a few germs on an animal when they patted it.

One dog confirmed in Hong Kong infected (not environmental contamination). Making out that's important is clearly scaremongerererering but pretending it didn't happen is lying.

[Lowbankclaret]

Lowbank has been stockpiling naff trainers by the look of it

If it was wellies or fishing gear, that would be true.

[FactualFrank]

I went to the pharmacy yesterday and asked the assistant what gets rid of the Coronavirus.

She replied: "Ammonia cleaner."

I said, "Sorry I thought you worked here."

[Terrier]

1720,1820,1920 and now 2020 .

[Gordaleman]

One dog confirmed in Hong Kong infected (not environmental contamination). Making out that's important is clearly scaremongerererering but pretending it didn't happen is lying.

You really don't like me, do you?

If one dog has got full blown Covid-19 that I did not know about, that doesn't make me a liar. It just means that I'm not aware of EVERY SINGLE FACT IN THE WORLD. I suppose YOU are?

Check this out.

https://wpde.com/news/local/first-case- ... t-to-worry

The vet here suggests that the dog has Coronavirus but a completely different strain. Who's getting their facts wrong now?

[FactualFrank]

You really don't like me, do you?

If one dog has got full blown Covid-19 that I did not know about, that doesn't make me a liar. It just means that I'm not aware of EVERY SINGLE FACT IN THE WORLD. I suppose YOU are?

Check this out.

https://wpde.com/news/local/first-case- ... t-to-worry

The vet here suggests that the dog has Coronavirus but a completely different strain. Who's getting their facts wrong now?

The World Health Organization has stated that dogs cannot transmit Coronavirus, and so there's no need to quarantine dogs anymore.

WHO let the dogs out.

[paulatky]

Just because a government takes drastic action, that has nothing to do with the virus itself. The figures are nowhere near the infection or death rates for Flu. We live in a world of instant communication which we didn't have even when SARS was around, and they are scared of public opinion going against them if they don't do something. Also, if this virus is anything like most similar viruses, it will cease to be a major problem when the weather gets warmer. SARS, a very dangerous virus, died out all by itself and this will probably do the same.

Whats the temperature in Singapore and Iran ?

[Gordaleman]

Whats the temperature in Singapore and Iran ?

The forecast temperature for Tehran tomorrow is 16 degrees. It's a bit further north than you seem to think.

Singapore is obviously a lot closer to China and no doubt got a large number of cases from people flying between the two countries. How many are imported cases, I don't know but they only have 60 active cases, having had 150 earlier.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[thatdberight]

You really don't like me, do you?

If one dog has got full blown Covid-19 that I did not know about, that doesn't make me a liar. It just means that I'm not aware of EVERY SINGLE FACT IN THE WORLD. I suppose YOU are?

Check this out.

https://wpde.com/news/local/first-case- ... t-to-worry

The vet here suggests that the dog has Coronavirus but a completely different strain. Who's getting their facts wrong now?

The reason you don't know facts is because you can't read.

The vet said that dogs are already given a corinavirus vaccine but it (THE VACCINE) is a different strain to the virus which causes CoVid-19.

I neither like not dislike you. I just know that nearly everything you say turns out to be wrong.

[dsr]

What evidence is there that people will become immune.

Reports in China is that re-infection rates are 10-15% whilst others point out that number might be because people had not really recovered the first time. Also can any info to come out of China be relied upon

I think the WHO has been there long enough to know that the figures must be there or thereabouts.

[thatdberight]

Whats the temperature in Singapore and Iran ?

4 and a half

[aggi]

I'm transiting through Chicago O'Hare airport at the moment, one of the busiest airports in the world. Not seen anyone wearing a face mask. Obviously not yet too worried about it in the US.

[Zlatan]

1720,1820,1920 and now 2020 .

Sorry, explain

[Bfcboyo]

Why focus on the negative, the vast vast majority will make a full recovery and as more of us become immune the virus will die out.
One good thing would appear to be the international cooperation to get a cure and hopefully this will bring the world to its senses or at least the likes of Trump and his contempt for the natural world.

A laid back approach until it's your brother, mother, auntie sister, wife lover or dad.

[Bfcboyo]

Sorry, explain

Even number 20th years of centuries past and present.

[Gordaleman]

The reason you don't know facts is because you can't read.

The vet said that dogs are already given a corinavirus vaccine but it (THE VACCINE) is a different strain to the virus which causes CoVid-19.

I neither like not dislike you. I just know that nearly everything you say turns out to be wrong.

I can read perfectly well. There is nothing in that article that says the dog had Covid-19. It just says it tested positive for Coronavirus.

Another article says:

Hong Kong authorities have warned people to avoid kissing their pets, but also to not panic and abandon them after a dog repeatedly tested “weak positive” for coronavirus.

The Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department said experts unanimously agreed the results suggested the dog had “a low-level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission”.

The Pomeranian’s owner was infected with Covid-19 but the dog itself was not showing symptoms, authorities said.

READ THIS NEXT BIT.

Medical experts, including from the World Health Organization (WHO), had been investigating the case to determine if the dog was actually infected or had picked it up from a contaminated surface. The WHO has said there is no evidence animals like dogs or cats can be infected with the coronavirus.

“Pet owners need not be overly concerned and under no circumstances should they abandon their pets,” said Hong Kong’s department of agriculture.

Authorities warned pet owners in the city, where 103 people have been infected with Covid-19 and thousands are in self-quarantine, not to panic.

WEAK POSITIVE. In other words, it had corona virus on it but probably wasn't infected.

[ksrclaret]

A laid back approach until it's your brother, mother, auntie sister, wife lover or dad.

And until such time that it is, I'd say his laid back approach is a much better one. Life is too short anyway, there's no point in stressing over something you have no control over like that.

Unless you're on the front line and it's your job to worry about the stats or analysing the virulence, take the appropriate precautions and continue to enjoy life while you can.

[Zlatan]

Even number 20th years of centuries past and present.

Yeah, I can see that, but what is the relevance on this thread - unless of course someone is trying to point out (incorrectly) that there is some kind of pattern here... a bit like Pareidolia

[thatdberight]

I can read perfectly well. There is nothing in that article that says the dog had Covid-19. It just says it tested positive for Coronavirus.

Another article says:

Hong Kong authorities have warned people to avoid kissing their pets, but also to not panic and abandon them after a dog repeatedly tested “weak positive” for coronavirus.

The Hong Kong Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department said experts unanimously agreed the results suggested the dog had “a low-level of infection and it is likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission”.

The Pomeranian’s owner was infected with Covid-19 but the dog itself was not showing symptoms, authorities said.

Medical experts, including from the World Health Organization (WHO), had been investigating the case to determine if the dog was actually infected or had picked it up from a contaminated surface. The WHO has said there is no evidence animals like dogs or cats can be infected with the coronavirus.

“Pet owners need not be overly concerned and under no circumstances should they abandon their pets,” said Hong Kong’s department of agriculture.

Authorities warned pet owners in the city, where 103 people have been infected with Covid-19 and thousands are in self-quarantine, not to panic.

WEAK POSITIVE. In other words, it had corona virus on it but probably wasn't infected.

You really are struggling, aren't you? You have been unable to correctly understand the piece from wpde.com (which explicitly is about this novel virus) and then you've copy and pasted something out of date. Do you think I just make **** up? You've already got that covered.

I've highlighted the important bit for you.

"Nasal and oral swabs from the dog... had tested weakly positive, ...officials in China announced February 28. Officials... isolated the dog in an animal facility in Hong Kong beginning February 26.

These initial test results could have been the product of environmental contamination... But a subsequent test of nasal swabs on March 2, after the dog had been quarantined, was also positive."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... -infection

[Gordaleman]

You really are struggling, aren't you? You have been unable to correctly understand the piece from wpde.com (which explicitly is about this novel virus) and then you've copy and pasted something out of date. Do you think I just make **** up? You've already got that covered.

I've highlighted the important bit for you.

"Nasal and oral swabs from the dog... had tested weakly positive, ...officials in China announced February 28. Officials... isolated the dog in an animal facility in Hong Kong beginning February 26.

These initial test results could have been the product of environmental contamination... But a subsequent test of nasal swabs on March 2, after the dog had been quarantined, was also positive."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cor ... -infection

No, I'm not struggling, you are. Weakly positive is the clue. It looks like the virus (If it was Covid 19) was passed to the dog's nose (Nasal swabs, not blood tests.) by the hand of the owner. There is no evidence that I'm aware of that the dog's system became infected. In fact the article states the dog wasn't ill in any way.

[Grumps]

Agreed.

So I presume we now agree the 10% seems like a decent number unless and until we get something better?

10 percent of cases will need intensive care? Nope, not seen those facts in UK

[thatdberight]

No, I'm not struggling, you are. Weakly positive is the clue. It looks like the virus (If it was Covid 19) was passed to the dog's nose (Nasal swabs, not blood tests.) by the hand of the owner. There is no evidence that I'm aware of that the dog's system became infected. In fact the article states the dog wasn't ill in any way.

I'm sorry, I have to say it. You're really thick. The positive March 2 tests, after a week's quarantine, show that it was not environmental contamination. That's what he article says. Whether the dog had symptoms is irrelevant to whether it was infected.

I'd get more sense talking to the dog.

[thatdberight]

10 percent of cases will need intensive care? Nope, not seen those facts in UK

We don't release that number so you haven't seen any numbers. So you're at liberty to make up your own. And have.

[Gordaleman]

10 percent of cases will need intensive care? Nope, not seen those facts in UK

Don't let facts get in the way of a good scare story Grumps.

[tim_noone]

Italian claret will be along shortly....

[Gordaleman]

I'm sorry, I have to say it. You're really thick. The positive March 2 tests, after a week's quarantine, show that it was not environmental contamination. That's what he article says. Whether the dog had symptoms is irrelevant to whether it was infected.

I'd get more sense talking to the dog.

Being sarcastic and rude does not make you right.

This article is is pretty up to date and no further tests other than nasal and oral cavity tests had been carried out. There is nothing in the report to suggest the infection has entered the dog's system. N.B. the rectal sample, unlike the nasal and mouth samples, was not mentioned, so I assume it was negative. The virus could quite easily have lived in the dog's nose and mouth for those two weeks and WHO still thinks it unlikely that an animal could catch Covid-19 from a person.

https://www.afcd.gov.hk/english/publica ... cle_inline

Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
Friday, February 28, 2020
A spokesman for the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) said today (February 28) that a pet dog had been tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus.

The AFCD received a referral from the Department of Health on February 26 that a dog of a patient infected with COVID-19 disease virus will be handed over to the AFCD. Staff of the AFCD picked up the dog from a residential flat at Tai Hang in the evening on the same day and sent the dog to the animal keeping facility at the Hong Kong Port of Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao Bridge. Oral, nasal and rectal samples were collected for testing of COVID-19 virus. The nasal and oral cavity samples were tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus. The dog does not have any relevant symptoms.

[dsr]

I'm sorry, I have to say it. You're really thick.

Why do you have to say it? Someone got a gun to your head?

Isn't there a certain degree of hypocrisy about apologising for being rude before you say it?

[bfcjg]

Was it a hot dog ?

[Gordaleman]

Being sarcastic and rude does not make you right.

This article is is pretty up to date and no further tests other than nasal and oral cavity tests had been carried out. There is nothing in the report to suggest the infection has entered the dog's system. N.B. the rectal sample, unlike the nasal and mouth samples, was not mentioned, so I assume it was negative. The virus could quite easily have lived in the dog's nose and mouth for those two weeks and WHO still thinks it unlikely that an animal could catch Covid-19 from a person.

https://www.afcd.gov.hk/english/publica ... cle_inline

Detection of low level of COVID-19 virus in pet dog
Friday, February 28, 2020
A spokesman for the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department (AFCD) said today (February 28) that a pet dog had been tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus.

The AFCD received a referral from the Department of Health on February 26 that a dog of a patient infected with COVID-19 disease virus will be handed over to the AFCD. Staff of the AFCD picked up the dog from a residential flat at Tai Hang in the evening on the same day and sent the dog to the animal keeping facility at the Hong Kong Port of Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao Bridge. Oral, nasal and rectal samples were collected for testing of COVID-19 virus. The nasal and oral cavity samples were tested weak positive to COVID-19 virus. The dog does not have any relevant symptoms.

For someone who likes facts, you are finding it very difficult to accept them. Nowhere does the report say the dog had the virus. All it says is that it tested 'Weak positive', which in other person to person tests means they had the virus on them, but were probably not infected.

Enough, your insults show the sort of person you are. "I'm right and you're wrong, sod the facts."

[thatdberight]

Why do you have to say it? Someone got a gun to your head?

Isn't there a certain degree of hypocrisy about apologising for being rude before you say it?

I apologise if it was unclear.

I am sorry that it has come to it. I am not sorry for saying it. I think that's a perfectly normal use of the language.

[thatdberight]

For someone who likes facts, you are finding it very difficult to accept them. Nowhere does the report say the dog had the virus. All it says is that it tested 'Weak positive', which in other person to person tests means they had the virus on them, but were probably not infected.

Enough, your insults show the sort of person you are. "I'm right and you're wrong, sod the facts."

Still quoting the February 28 initial report, I see. At that stage it was possible that it was environmental contamination. Not after the March 2 report which I quoted but you can't, or equally likely won't, take in. I gave you that but you're probably still listening to old ladies.

The point of this sideshow about the irrelevant one dog infection, in case you've forgotten, is that it shows you can neither take in information, not be trusted to be honest. The case if the dog is, in itself, unimportant.

[Gordaleman]

Still quoting the February 28 initial report, I see. At that stage it was possible that it was environmental contamination. Not after the March 2 report which I quoted but you can't, or equally likely won't, take in. I gave you that but you're probably still listening to old ladies.

The point of this sideshow about the irrelevant one dog infection, in case you've forgotten, is that it shows you can neither take in information, not be trusted to be honest. The case if the dog is, in itself, unimportant.

I can take in information better than you it seems, as the report I quoted was on March 6th, after the 14 day quarantine period. It still showed 'Weak positive' and the rectal sample was negative. Therefore probably environmental contamination. But heh, facts don't matter, do they?

And you still say you're not a fearmonger? Don't make me laugh.

[Grumps]

We don't release that number so you haven't seen any numbers. So you're at liberty to make up your own. And have.

It's not me that came up with that figure , it was someone else on here quoting it as a fact, iam saying it's not.

[thatdberight]

I can take in information better than you it seems, as the report I quoted was on March 6th, after the 14 day quarantine period. It still showed 'Weak positive' and the rectal sample was negative. Therefore probably environmental contamination. But heh, facts don't matter, do they?

And you still say you're not a fearmonger? Don't make me laugh.

You quoted a news report from 6 March and an outdated scientific report since superseded by the 2 March report.

Look, forget it.You're just thick. Demonstrably. Repeatedly. Congenitally. That's the end of it.

[Gordaleman]

You quoted a news report from 6 March and an outdated scientific report since superseded by the 2 March report.

Look, forget it.You're just thick. Demonstrably. Repeatedly. Congenitally. That's the end of it.

I quoted the results of the tests AFTER the 14 day quarantine period and they were 'Weak positve' meaning probable environmental contamination.

Tell me, how can a 6th of March report be more out of date than a 2nd March report?

Who's being thick now? Quick, edit your post. Oh, you can't, because it's in this post now.

[Gordaleman]

A man in his 60s has become the third person in the UK to die after testing positive for coronavirus.

The man, who had "significant" underlying health problems, died at North Manchester General Hospital, NHS England said.

He had recently returned from Italy and was being treated at the hospital's specialist infectious diseases unit.

It comes after UK cases rose to 273 on Sunday, up from 209 on Saturday - the biggest rise yet.

Prof Chris Whitty, chief medical officer for England, said: "I am very sorry to report that a third patient in England who tested positive for Covid-19 has sadly died.

"I offer my sincere condolences to their family and friends and ask that their privacy is respected.

"The patient, who was being treated at the North Manchester General Hospital, was over 60 years old and had significant underlying health conditions.

"They had recently travelled from an affected area. Contact tracing is already underway."

[thatdberight]

It's not me that came up with that figure , it was someone else on here quoting it as a fact, iam saying it's not.

It's certainly not a firm number. Italy suggests it. Other countries don't.

[Zlatan]

What strikes me about all this (whilst watching BBC news at 10) what else is happening in the world that the powers that be don’t want us to notice...

[thatdberight]

I quoted the results of the tests AFTER the 14 day quarantine period and they were 'Weak positve' meaning probable environmental contamination.

Tell me, how can a 6th of March report be more out of date than a 2nd March report?

Who's being thick now? Quick, edit your post. Oh, you can't, because it's in this post now.

"...experts from the School of Public Health of The University of Hong Kong, the College of Veterinary Medicine and Life Sciences of the City University of Hong Kong and the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) have unanimously agreed that the dog has a low-level of infection and it is "likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission."

Speaking separately, some random bloke who knows nothing about this sort of thing kept banging on about a preliminary report. He had confused "weak positive" with "environmental contamination".

https://www.afcd.gov.hk/english/publica ... r2342.html

[tim_noone]

We the British create this stiff upper lip persona..nothing could be further from the truth.judging by the panic buying and media scaremongering on the news and media chat programmes.

[Gordaleman]

The only new thing in that report is that there were two dogs. I didn't know that. However, one tested negative and the other 'Weak positive.'

Despite your continuing insults and sarcasm, the fact is that 'Weak positive' has previouly been said to be likely environmental contamination. Also the report you quote says "likely to be a case of human-to-animal transmission." Likely? Oh, so not proven?

Don't bother responding, it's pointless trying to have a civil discussion with you.

[Clarinetclaret]

The forecast temperature for Tehran tomorrow is 16 degrees. It's a bit further north than you seem to think.

Singapore is obviously a lot closer to China and no doubt got a large number of cases from people flying between the two countries. How many are imported cases, I don't know but they only have 60 active cases, having had 150 earlier.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Why would anyone take your advice on health and wellbeing matters seriously?

[tarkys_ears]

We the British create this stiff upper lip persona..nothing could be further from the truth.judging by the panic buying and media scaremongering on the news and media chat programmes.

How many of these nobheads have "Keep calm and carry on" posters in their kitchens or have posted similar things on facebook?

[tim_noone]

How many of these nobheads have "Keep calm and carry on" posters in their kitchens or have posted similar things on facebook?

I only have keep calm and drink tea ....and what don't kill ya!!

[tarkys_ears]

I only have keep calm and drink tea ....and what don't kill ya!!

Good luck finding it in Tesco, ya shite!