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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:43 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:40 pm
The final medic admitted as much - on an inevitably large scale.
Could be a million in UK,

Such a figure was laughed at just a few days ago.

60 % of population get it with 2.5% death rate equates to that toll

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:43 pm

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:43 pm

levraiclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:37 pm
They are taking advice from behavioural economists (the nudge people) not medical experts. They appear to be banking on covid 19 virus sweeping through the population and providing herd immunity down the line. there may be many deaths meanwhile amongst vulnerable groups - elderly, asthmatics, smokers.
This is the question, isn't it. If we do successfully develop herd immunity, then perhaps the elderly, asthmatics, and smokers can keep their heads down while this is going on and the risk is higher, and then when they come out again there are many fewer people to catch it from so their risk long-term will be lower. If we don't develop herd immunity, their relative risk of catching it won't change for a long time.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm

Claret32yrs wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:42 pm
Therein is my point. It doesn't matter who was PM. None of them would have an answer. It's a case of winging it and taking advice off those better qualified. Amazing how many people think a PM should be an expert on everything.
I’m clearly no BoJo fan, in fact I despise everything about him. However, he is taking a very pragmatic approach and taking advice from the experts - it will put him in the history books either way

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm

It seems that many vulnerable people will die because of the virus anyway - it may be that this relatively laissez faire approach may benefit the greater good in the long run.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by keith1879 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:14 pm
There’s no time here for measured fact based posting when knee jerk hysteria and “ twitter theory “ is the guiding light
I don't aim to convince anyone......but I do think it's a good way of showing up certain other posters!!!!!!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm

Eddie, this is your downfall and you are embarrassing yourself again .
I am the poster 'Elizabeth' not the poster known as Ringo.
I told you this on more than one occasion on the Brexit thread yet you continually tried to undermine any opinion I had , by harassment.
Even now your opening comments to me of ' Oh, Christ, here we go....' are designed to undermine my opinion that you should not be calling people out for bullying

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm

paulatky wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:43 pm
Could be a million in UK,

Such a figure was laughed at just a few days ago.

60 % of population get it with 2.5% death rate equates to that toll
................but it’s not a 2.5% death rate.....!!!!!!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by levraiclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:48 pm

Claret32yrs wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:40 pm
Whichever way you look at it. They'd offer the same advice to whatever colour party was in office. It's a moot point!
No another government might just take medical advice.

Johnson, Gove and Cummings are the folks who lied about the benefits of leaving the EU. Remember them, easiest trade deal in history, £350m per week for the NHS, oven ready deal etc . Where are they now?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret32yrs » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:49 pm

paulatky wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:40 pm
Agree with that in a way.

Putting economic health ahead of personal health
Don't see that at all. Hence why they're not closing schools. Hell! Everyone knows kids are super spreaders. Sure! The country as a whole has to be greater than the current predicament. There has to be a balance. They're trying to get that balance. People will die, that's a given. What we could do is pump everything into it and be left with no economy at all. There has to be some sort of balance. Limit deaths, limit the spread as much as possible. I reiterate this yet again. This would be exactly the same under a Labour or Liberal government. It's about damage limitation. It's all well and good feeling all fuzzy about saving everyone and having no economy left at the end of it.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:51 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm
Eddie, this is your downfall and you are embarrassing yourself again .
I am the poster 'Elizabeth' not the poster known as Ringo.
I told you this on more than one occasion on the Brexit thread yet you continually tried to undermine any opinion I had , by harassment.
Even now your opening comments to me of ' Oh, Christ, here we go....' are designed to undermine my opinion that you should not be calling people out for bullying


Are you ill ? :o

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:52 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:33 pm
Oh, Christ, here we go, he's back again.. "Hounded" as in not accepting everything you said regarding Brexit and your claims to have invented political expressions ? "Ivory tower ? " "Metropolitan bubble" ? :lol:
Even my pointing out of your - sorry, another poster's - autistic tendencies was done in good faith. Anybody who can bash out hundreds and hundreds of posts on the same aspects of the same topic, day after day, using exactly the same patterns, is in dire need of help. I even supplied helpful website links.
You confuse "hounding" with "challenging stupid claims."
I know you like to believe you are superior to the rest of us but the truth is your boring, empty and Brexit-obsessed life exposes you for the sadsack you are.
You even tried to take the p$$ out of me for going skiing. :lol:
So what do you do - post endlessly about Brexit. What a prick.
Well done Eddie, you’ve just defeated your own argument.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:53 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:40 pm
Economic decision then... doing something to “fund” the NHS by removing the need for some...

[tongue firmly in cheek here]
It all sounded to me like a very good attempt to save people's lives, rather than anything to do with the economy.

A good point was made in the news studio after the conference after they said they weren't closing schools. Imagine if schools did close. How many grandparents would be asked to look after children, so that parents could still work? That would put a lot of Grannies at risk of catching the virus as it's thought that children do get the virus, but don't seem to show it's effects.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:56 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm
................but it’s not a 2.5% death rate.....!!!!!!
Neither has any other country had such high infection rates as the UK is projecting as a worst case scenario. It probably won't get to those levels.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:56 pm

Luckily, HL, your opinion is completely irrelevant.
Any more of the gang care to join in ? :lol:

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:59 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:53 pm

A good point was made in the news studio after the conference after they said they weren't closing schools. Imagine if schools did close. How many grandparents would be asked to look after children, so that parents could still work? That would put a lot of Grannies at risk of catching the virus as it's thought that children do get the virus, but don't seem to show it's effects.
And on a purely practical level could you really imagine managing this over say a 16 week period?
A lot of children and families simply couldn't cope with this, and unless measures were put in place a lot would go hungry. It's well established now that a lot of children only get fed adequately during term time.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Claret32yrs » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:00 pm

levraiclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:48 pm
No another government might just take medical advice.

Johnson, Gove and Cummings are the folks who lied about the benefits of leaving the EU. Remember them, easiest trade deal in history, £350m per week for the NHS, oven ready deal etc . Where are they now?
What the f*ck has this to do with Brexit. It's not relevant who is PM or who said what! Nobody could prepare for this. Why the hell are you bringing politics into it? It would be the same regardless or party. Unless you're suggesting Labour have some magical health pixies?
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:01 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:59 pm
And on a purely practical level could you really imagine managing this over say a 16 week period?
A lot of children and families simply couldn't cope with this, and unless measures were put in place a lot would go hungry. It's well established now that a lot of children only get fed adequately during term time.
There are so many things to consider and such a lot of choices. I'm glad that I don't have to make them.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Gordaleman » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:03 pm

Tea time, then I'm off for a G & T and a game of snooker.

I'll wash my hands befroe I go. ;)
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:08 pm

The outside view of his speech which I kinda agree with.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Elizabeth » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:10 pm

Really Eddie, grow up and stop pretending you can converse with the adults.

That is my last opinion on the subject.

The virus killing so many vulnerable people around the world is a different matter and while not concerned myself I fully respect those who are.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:11 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:45 pm
................but it’s not a 2.5% death rate.....!!!!!!
At last Zlatan, you get it!!

Your right it’s HIGHER.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:16 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:08 pm
The outside view of his speech which I kinda agree with.

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Well since we're moving from the government's own declared "containment" phase to its "delay" phase, that headline writer needn't expect a Pulitzer in the post...

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:17 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:11 pm
At last Zlatan, you get it!!

Your right it’s HIGHER.
You're*

Can't spell. Can beat all credible epidemiologists in understanding mortality rates in novel viruses.

Such a rare combination.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by LoveCurryPies » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:21 pm

German chancellor thinks 70% of German people will get it.

UK experts think 80%.

That would be 53.6million infected in uk.

Predicted death rate is an average 1% (higher in old people, lower in the young).

So 536,000 uk deaths.

I think we should listen to the 2 Government experts rather than the politicians.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:40 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:21 pm
Predicted death rate is an average 1% (higher in old people, lower in the young).

So 536,000 uk deaths.
But it's all speculation really and there are other factors to be taken into account.
e.g. if the vast majority of deaths are the already vulnerable and elderly, how many of that figure would you normally statistically expect to die in that period in normal circumstances?
If we're talking about a period of about 6 months then probably quite a significant percentage.
(I'm not by the way trying to diminish the seriousness of the situation, just pointing out how difficult it is to make any realistic estimations )

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:41 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:10 pm
Really Eddie, grow up and stop pretending you can converse with the adults.

That is my last opinion on the subject.

The virus killing so many vulnerable people around the world is a different matter and while not concerned myself I fully respect those who are.

:lol:
It was you who stuck your nose into my discussion with S1956, kiddo.
I've made three contributions to the thread discussing the virus, you've made none.
All you've done is troll me yet again. You're a hypocrite but yes, you're dead right, it is time you ****** off.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by elwaclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:53 pm

Claret32yrs wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:00 pm
What the f*ck has this to do with Brexit. It's not relevant who is PM or who said what! Nobody could prepare for this. Why the hell are you bringing politics into it? It would be the same regardless or party. Unless you're suggesting Labour have some magical health pixies?
Completely agree, some people just cannot help themselves.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:08 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:11 pm
At last Zlatan, you get it!!

Your right it’s HIGHER.
I’ll take that as a joke, if you’re serious, then I worry for you.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:15 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:08 pm
I’ll take that as a joke, if you’re serious, then I worry for you.
Perhaps you are getting my sense of humour!

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:16 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:11 pm
At last Zlatan, you get it!!

Your right it’s HIGHER.
It is higher at the moment and the policy of let it rip through quickly will add to the number which has a consensus of 1.5% so my estimate of 2.5% for UK is not unreasonable in my opinion

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:18 pm

I’m not going to estimate anything, I’ll point at real facts, in South Korea (the best sample base for this) the rate is less than 1%, and dropping...

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:24 pm

ITALY: lockdown
CHINA: lockdown
DENMARK: lockdown
NORWAY: lockdown
IRELAND: close all schools, cancel mass gatherings
USA: close schools, ban all european flights

BORIS JOHNSON: "Right. Some of you are going to die. NHS are a bit busy, shite happens. OH, and don't forget the happy birthday hand-washing thing. Good luck."

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:31 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:24 pm
ITALY: lockdown
CHINA: lockdown
DENMARK: lockdown
NORWAY: lockdown
IRELAND: close all schools, cancel mass gatherings
USA: close schools, ban all european flights

BORIS JOHNSON: "Right. Some of you are going to die. NHS are a bit busy, shite happens. OH, and don't forget the happy birthday hand-washing thing. Good luck."
But that's exactly what's going to happen in the other countries you've listed. It's just that he's being up front about it. "Lockdown" is a real buzz word right now, but it means nowt and won't change much. It just sounds like it will.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:38 pm

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by KateR » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:46 pm

if we stay home, turn the radio and TV off, don't play any music I'm sure in no time at all we will soon feel we have lived to a ripe old age.

started looking at the games of old today, Pictionary, trivial pursuits (fortunately no Brexit or Budget questions), monopoly, dragged an old Wi board out wondering if it would still work, perhaps some tennis, forgot all about this thing which was an absolutely must have not to long ago.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:51 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:31 pm
But that's exactly what's going to happen in the other countries you've listed. It's just that he's being up front about it. "Lockdown" is a real buzz word right now, but it means nowt and won't change much. It just sounds like it will.
Ok buddy I suppose time will tell who did the right thing and who F**ked up.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:55 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:40 pm
But it's all speculation really and there are other factors to be taken into account.
e.g. if the vast majority of deaths are the already vulnerable and elderly, how many of that figure would you normally statistically expect to die in that period in normal circumstances?
If we're talking about a period of about 6 months then probably quite a significant percentage.
(I'm not by the way trying to diminish the seriousness of the situation, just pointing out how difficult it is to make any realistic estimations )
The elderly would keep going for longer albeit for the virus finishing them off, the figures are skewed because it’s impossible to say how much longer gravely/terminal ill people would live without the virus causing menace, the way its worked the virus is recorded as the chief culprit & as a further mention underlying illness contributing not the other way around, what happens later gets the nod despite what’s happened previously, so on that basis it’s absolutely impossible to accurately determine the true extent of the viruses capabilities as younger people seem to be shaking it off & recovering.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Spiral » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:03 pm

It cannot be stressed enough that the 80% figure being mentioned is a worst-case scenario in the event of no action being taken. That the govt is recognising behavioural science in forming its plans is good news. There's a streak in more paranoid regimes to take action which better reflects on the government, but we should be grateful in this country, regardless of political allegiance, that we're placing the advice of scientists above political considerations, even if it means Johnson needs to face questions laced in doubt from journalists and the public about whether the govt is doing enough. A 'stronger' approach (meaning a more brute force response) might bring a level of false comfort, but for reasons explained by the actual scientists, we need to do what the scientific modelling best determines. Any theoretical response needs to factor in human behaviour, and in the advice given so far, in the most benevolent way possible we're being asked to take it upon ourselves to be sensible about this and be responsible to each other.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:08 pm

Not too sure what closing schools will do other than force more young kids into the care of vulnerable grandparents.

School is sort of a closed environment - seeing the same people day after day. Going to the park, bowling or cinema however - very different.

We’re all going to get this damn thing (well, about 50%+ of us as a minimum). Yes, a few hundred thousand will probably die who would have lived a few years longer. I’m not sure though how that can possibly be avoided. Shutting schools may make it worse (though I do believe anyone with or has had a fever in the last 2 weeks should be told to stay away from school, work or leisure events).

The Chinese have a lot to answer for due to how this disease originated and whether markets like that should operate in modern culture. Reckless in the extreme and this could polish off as many Brits as WW2 (though not as many in prime obviously). The point is, if it happens once it could happen again.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:10 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:51 pm
Ok buddy I suppose time will tell who did the right thing and who F**ked up.
I wasn't being argumentative Steve, but just feeling that most European countries will probably go through the same cycles with this, no matter what they do tbh.

On another note: Let's say a guy feels he has the symptoms of Covid 19 and so stays off work and "self isolates" for 7? (or more) days before getting over it and feeling better. He follows the guidance and doesn't go to see a doctor, so he never gets tested for Covid 19 and therefore nobody really knows whether he had it or not. By now there must be thousands of people in Britain and hundreds of thousands of people all over Europe and the far East who fit that bill, so how on earth can anybody quote even remotely accurate figures?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:17 pm

Probably a unpopular opinion but I think the only true way to contain the virus is to have a complete overhaul of our lifestyle habits for a short period of time, becoming reclusive & only going out when absolutely necessary & no social interaction apart from family not even friends & increase all hygienic practices, you’d see a substantial drop & eventually nothing, apart from visitors coming in from elsewhere (overseas) who’d need checking ideally before entering into the country.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:24 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:17 pm
Probably a unpopular opinion but I think the only true way to contain the virus is to have a complete overhaul of our lifestyle habits for a short period of time, becoming reclusive & only going out when absolutely necessary & no social interaction apart from family not even friends & increase all hygienic practices, you’d see a substantial drop & eventually nothing, apart from visitors coming in from elsewhere (overseas) who’d need checking ideally before entering into the country.
And when we open up again with no immunity but a foreign visitor brings it in? Repeat ad infinitum? Frankly, I'll take death over that suggestion.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:26 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:10 pm
On another note: Let's say a guy feels he has the symptoms of Covid 19 and so stays off work and "self isolates" for 7? (or more) days before getting over it and feeling better. He follows the guidance and doesn't go to see a doctor, so he never gets tested for Covid 19 and therefore nobody really knows whether he had it or not. By now there must be thousands of people in Britain and hundreds of thousands of people all over Europe and the far East who fit that bill, so how on earth can anybody quote even remotely accurate figures?
That's a very valid point. IMO the vast majority of people who have the virus won't actually be recorded officially since if they are following advice they will be self-isolating and will never actually be tested.
Hence the number of recorded deaths can only be a percentage of those actually tested and diagnosed as opposed to those who actually have it.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:28 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:24 pm
And when we open up again with no immunity but a foreign visitor brings it in? Repeat ad infinitum? Frankly, I'll take death over that suggestion.
The solution is complete containment, kaput, adios :D

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by bfcjg » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:32 pm

A Bene n hot will sort it out, the cure all.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:37 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:26 pm
That's a very valid point. IMO the vast majority of people who have the virus won't actually be recorded officially since if they are following advice they will be self-isolating and will never actually be tested.
Hence the number of recorded deaths can only be a percentage of those actually tested and diagnosed as opposed to those who actually have it.
We obviously haven't got complete science but what we have doesn't support this theory, unfortunately (WHO reporting from China last week).

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:38 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:53 pm
A good point was made in the news studio after the conference after they said they weren't closing schools. Imagine if schools did close. How many grandparents would be asked to look after children, so that parents could still work?
Probably a similar number to those picking kids up from school and looking after them until their parents finish work.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:24 pm
And when we open up again with no immunity but a foreign visitor brings it in? Repeat ad infinitum? Frankly, I'll take death over that suggestion.
That’s why the virus will continue, people like you unwilling & reluctant to adopt a different lifestyle approach, if you starve anything from oxygen it perishes.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by pushpinpussy » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:41 pm

not read any of this thread but there is a rumour going around that Nick Pope has got the virus. Fingers crossed its not true.

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