Covid-19

[FactualFrank]

What's the latest regarding takeaways - will they fall under restaurants and have to close?

[DomBFC1882]

God bless this Tory Government

[thatdberight]

What's the latest regarding takeaways - will they fall under restaurants and have to close?

According to the BBC reporting the PM's update, no.

[Burnley1989]

No government would be able to offer more

Very positive at a very difficult time for us all

[Burnley1989]

What's the latest regarding takeaways - will they fall under restaurants and have to close?

No, Borris said take outs allowed as will your restaurants

[tim_noone]

No government would be able to offer more

Very positive at a very difficult time for us all

But no information as to what has "really" gone on.

[FactualFrank]

No, Borris said take outs allowed as will your restaurants

Did he mention whether cafes will be allowed takeouts?

[Caballo]

Did he mention whether cafes will be allowed takeouts?

Yes and yes.

[thatdberight]

But no information as to what has "really" gone on.

Have you got the skinny?

[joey13]

Rishi Sunak very impressive

[IanMcL]

What a miserable time.

[taio]

Rishi Sunak very impressive

Agree with this. Been impressed every time I've seen him.

[FactualFrank]

What a miserable time.

I was more miserable when I read the newspaper and watched the news. I'm still getting updates, but I actually felt ill with some of the replies on here (now on the Foe list) and watching/reading the media.

[Gordaleman]

Agree with this. Been impressed every time I've seen him.

Got to agreee but it's not difficult to be more impressive than Bumbling Boris

[Gordaleman]

Don't know if this has been posted previously but it may answer a few questions fans are asking. It's on the BFC Webpage.

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[Gordaleman]

Did he mention whether cafes will be allowed takeouts?

Yes, as will pubs and restaurants.

[HieronymousBoschHobs]

God bless the TUC.

[taio]

Got to agreee but it's not difficult to be more impressive than Bumbling Boris

I wasn't comparing him to Boris.

[tim_noone]

Got to agreee but it's not difficult to be more impressive than Bumbling Boris

You still saying the The Virus is no worse Than Flu.?

[Lowbankclaret]

No. No-one apart from you was economical with the truth. You picked up an unsourced, unverified number that's probably just an input error and ran with it because it suited you. It's little better than lying.

Well you also need to look at the other percentages.
Percentage of cognitive function vs the percentage of alcoholic level function.

Irrational behaviour increases with % of alcohol.

Now you can never know where those percentage scales are at at anyone time.

[Lowbankclaret]

But no information as to what has "really" gone on.

Correct they are being economical with the truth.

[thatdberight]

Well you also need to look at the other percentages.
Percentage of cognitive function vs the percentage of alcoholic level function.

Irrational behaviour increases with % of alcohol.

Now you can never know where those percentage scales are at at anyone time.

Never touch the stuff myself.

[Gordaleman]

You still saying the The Virus is no worse Than Flu.?

I'm saying the same as I've always said. When it kills more people than Flu, then it will be worse than Flu.

It's nowhere even remotely near to Flu's figures yet.

I'm sure that you are hoping it will be, so that you can say "I told you so."

[Burnley1989]

Agree with this. Been impressed every time I've seen him.

Said the same, maybe a future PM

His defining moment

[Gordaleman]

I wasn't comparing him to Boris.

I know and I agreed with you, but when they are both side by side then Sunak would look good every single time.

[Jakubclaret]

I'm saying the same as I've always said. When it kills more people than Flu, then it will be worse than Flu.

It's nowhere even remotely near to Flu's figures yet.

I'm sure that you are hoping it will be, so that you can say "I told you so."

It's your attitude & similar attitudes which haven't helped from the start, so blaise it's untrue, if you stop focusing on flu for 1 second the severity of what's happening might just hit home. It's already been explained a countless number of times why flus figures are vast in size compared to the coronavirus.

[Lowbankclaret]

You still saying the The Virus is no worse Than Flu.?

He does not get it, will not get it.

Like all the oap’s huddling in the supermarket. My mum 76 went and said “they are all brain dead” not doing social distancing. She is not going again at OAP open time.

[thatdberight]

It's your attitude & similar attitudes which haven't helped from the start, so blaise it's untrue, if you stop focusing on flu for 1 second the severity of what's happening might just hit home. It's already been explained a countless number of times why flus figures are vast in size compared to the coronavirus.

He literally cannot understand it. Asking him to is like asking a guy with no hands to learn to catch. It cannot happen.

[Jakubclaret]

He literally cannot understand it. Asking him to is like asking a guy with no hands to learn to catch. It cannot happen.

It's akin to why my old car has got more rust on it which I've had for longer than 20 years than the shiny 1 straight out of the showroom.

[BennyD]

We’re having a neighbours bbq tomorrow to discuss self isolation and social distancing. I’ve got loads of Corona in, so it should go well.

[Zlatan]

As someone who did compare this to flu on this thread I must insist that I did try to qualify my statements.

I still maintain (as previously qualified) that Coronavirus without a vaccine is not too dissimilar to influenza WITHOUT a vaccine, only the difference is that we have a vaccine for influenza. I stand by this comparison.

I have also made references to the death rates previously on this thread and made similar comparisons. I still stand by my previous statements.

That said, if people can’t understand how I have qualified the comparison and understand there’s not much I can do about their level of intelligence. I do understand Gordaleman’s appraisal and his sentiment, and there is an element of truth about what he is saying. What none of us can actually quantify though is what the actual effect would be if we had not intervened in this way; nor can anyone say with any level of confidence what would have happened if we’d locked down straight away.

[Clarinetclaret]

I'm saying the same as I've always said. When it kills more people than Flu, then it will be worse than Flu.

It's nowhere even remotely near to Flu's figures yet.

I'm sure that you are hoping it will be, so that you can say "I told you so."

Watch the sky news journalists visiting a hospital in Italy. He asks the flu question to a doctor.
You really are an imbecile.

[Gordaleman]

As someone who did compare this to flu on this thread I must insist that I did try to qualify my statements.

I still maintain (as previously qualified) that Coronavirus without a vaccine is not too dissimilar to influenza WITHOUT a vaccine, only the difference is that we have a vaccine for influenza. I stand by this comparison.

I have also made references to the death rates previously on this thread and made similar comparisons. I still stand by my previous statements.

That said, if people can’t understand how I have qualified the comparison and understand there’s not much I can do about their level of intelligence. I do understand Gordaleman’s appraisal and his sentiment, and there is an element of truth about what he is saying. What none of us can actually quantify though is what the actual effect would be if we had not intervened in this way; nor can anyone say with any level of confidence what would have happened if we’d locked down straight away.

All some people see are headlines and panic. Some just don't have the intelligence to realise the potential of Flu and what it's already done in years gone by. The fact that it killed between 20 and 50 million in a six month period in 2018 /19 just doesn't seem to register.

[thatdberight]

As someone who did compare this to flu on this thread I must insist that I did try to qualify my statements.

I still maintain (as previously qualified) that Coronavirus without a vaccine is not too dissimilar to influenza WITHOUT a vaccine, only the difference is that we have a vaccine for influenza. I stand by this comparison.

I have also made references to the death rates previously on this thread and made similar comparisons. I still stand by my previous statements.

That said, if people can’t understand how I have qualified the comparison and understand there’s not much I can do about their level of intelligence. I do understand Gordaleman’s appraisal and his sentiment, and there is an element of truth about what he is saying. What none of us can actually quantify though is what the actual effect would be if we had not intervened in this way; nor can anyone say with any level of confidence what would have happened if we’d locked down straight away.

I don't think anyone has called you out, Zlatan. If they have they're wrong.

'Compared', unhelpfullly, has two meanings. You have "compared" flu to this virus quite often, picking out salient points of difference and similarity. I don't agree with everything you say, while agreeing with its broad thrust. But it's never sensational, it's never irrational.

Other posters (one in particular) have "compared" flu and this virus in the sense of saying they are broadly similar.

In pure scientific terms as to what happens to a population, I imagine a virus that might kill 0.5% unhindered is probably very much the same order of magnitude as one that might kill 1.0%. In societal terms, for a society that has managed the risk of the first down to less than 0.1%, it's altogether different. That, I think is the most important feature of where we are, a point I know you get. The brickbats should be aimed at anyone pretending that we don't have a starting point against flu or that starting postion is not important.

[NewClaret]

Rishi Sunak very impressive

We agree on something Joey!!!

[Grumps]

Watch the sky news journalists visiting a hospital in Italy. He asks the flu question to a doctor.
You really are an imbecile.

I haven't seen the interview, but, Italy doesn't have the same number of flu outbreaks that we have.
The only mention I've seen on here, and used myself, is in comparison to numbers, NOT, symptoms, or medical outcome, As a scientific comparison, could anyone think of a better one to use than flu? Both are viruses, both are spread in similar ways, I Carnt think of anything else to compare it with, cancer, heart disease any other illness won't work. I know some people don't get that you can compare things without them having to have the same outcome. If the figures are higher than flu, then as a comparison it's worse, if lower then its not, simple really.

[thatdberight]

...Italy doesn't have the same number of flu outbreaks that we have.

Is that something you know or something you just said? The first hit I can find for this is:

"Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (2013/14–2016/17 seasons)

More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.
Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.

Rosano, Bella, Gesualdo, Acampora, Pezzotti, Marchetti, Ricciardi, Rizzo"

If you're implying there's a fundamental difference between the UK and Italy for flu-related deaths that doesn't seem to be borne out - seems like similar numbers to ours.

[Lowbankclaret]

As someone who did compare this to flu on this thread I must insist that I did try to qualify my statements.

I still maintain (as previously qualified) that Coronavirus without a vaccine is not too dissimilar to influenza WITHOUT a vaccine, only the difference is that we have a vaccine for influenza. I stand by this comparison.

I have also made references to the death rates previously on this thread and made similar comparisons. I still stand by my previous statements.

That said, if people can’t understand how I have qualified the comparison and understand there’s not much I can do about their level of intelligence. I do understand Gordaleman’s appraisal and his sentiment, and there is an element of truth about what he is saying. What none of us can actually quantify though is what the actual effect would be if we had not intervened in this way; nor can anyone say with any level of confidence what would have happened if we’d locked down straight away.

You were given data amongst many other links etc.

I argued the data showed it was really serious and you still stand by your arguments even after it’s gone way way worse than

those who argued it was serious thought it would.

It’s gone way beyond Paulasky and I said it would.

But your still arguing flu is worse.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

You still saying the The Virus is no worse Than Flu.?

...and "chicken of the cave"

[Inchy]

I have just got in from work and today I experienced caring for my first covid patient.

I won’t go into details because I can’t but it was horrifically sad. Let me assure you, even comparing this to flu is stupid. This is far worse than flu. It’s moving quickly and it’s taking lives early.

In my experience flu has peaks on certain years and the majority of people who die from flu are not appropriate for escalation to ITU because even with out flu they wouldn’t be appropriate. The vast majority of people who die from flu never go to ITU. A lot of the covid patients are fit for ITU. Just because someone is old and has comorbidities doesn’t mean they are not for ITU. Lots of people over 70 survive ITU admissions. But a large proportion of people young and old are needing ITU to beat this virus and a lot who would beat flu are not beating this virus .

[RingoMcCartney]

Rishi Sunak very impressive

Chancellor Rishi Sunak presents and speaks really very well. He appears calm confident and assured. It's easy to forget he's only been in the job a matter of around 3 weeks.

Fair play to the fella.

[Gordaleman]

As someone who did compare this to flu on this thread I must insist that I did try to qualify my statements.

I still maintain (as previously qualified) that Coronavirus without a vaccine is not too dissimilar to influenza WITHOUT a vaccine, only the difference is that we have a vaccine for influenza. I stand by this comparison.

I have also made references to the death rates previously on this thread and made similar comparisons. I still stand by my previous statements.

That said, if people can’t understand how I have qualified the comparison and understand there’s not much I can do about their level of intelligence. I do understand Gordaleman’s appraisal and his sentiment, and there is an element of truth about what he is saying. What none of us can actually quantify though is what the actual effect would be if we had not intervened in this way; nor can anyone say with any level of confidence what would have happened if we’d locked down straight away.

Let me try to make myself clear about my views on Flu and Covid 19. First though, I just want to say that there is a massive misunderstanding about Flu in this country. You hear of so many people who have a bit of a cold, or even a bad cold, say they have been off work for a few days with Flu. That breeds the impression that Flu, isn't that bad. That's wrong. If you have Flu, and I've been unfortunate enough to have had it twice in my 72 years, then you aren't off for a few days, you are off for weeks. It's a serious disease.

Now for the differences between Flu and Covid 19.

Flu seems to attack all people in much the same way, and of course, if those people are old or infirm, it often results in their deaths.

Covid 19, as we are being told, makes some people a lot sicker than others. (e.g. why does it seem to leave most children untouched? Flu certainly doesn't.) Indeed, lots of people seem to get Covid 19 and either don't know about it at all and are totally asymptomatic, or only have mild symptoms. This could be very significant.

It means, that although a lot of people who get Covid 19 might really struggle, a lot more will have few or no problems with it. That doesn't happen with Flu.

The goverment has already said that they suspect at least 50 to 75,000 people and probably a lot more may have or have had the virus. That means that it might sweep through the country quickly but with less casualties than some are expecting.

I hope I'm right, being firmly in the 'At risk' group.

No doubt, the usual suspects will try to tear this attempt at analysis apart but then I wouldn't expect anything else.

[thatdberight]

Continued best wishes to you.

[RingoMcCartney]

Said the same, maybe a future PM

His defining moment

Early days, but, not put a foot wrong so far.

[tim_noone]

I have just got in from work and today I experienced caring for my first covid patient.

I won’t go into details because I can’t but it was horrifically sad. Let me assure you, even comparing this to flu is stupid. This is far worse than flu. It’s moving quickly and it’s taking lives early.

In my experience flu has peaks on certain years and the majority of people who die from flu are not appropriate for escalation to ITU because even with out flu they wouldn’t be appropriate. The vast majority of people who die from flu never go to ITU. A lot of the covid patients are fit for ITU. Just because someone is old and has comorbidities doesn’t mean they are not for ITU. Lots of people over 70 survive ITU admissions. But a large proportion of people young and old are needing ITU to beat this virus and a lot who would beat flu are not beating this virus .

Thanks and good Luck with your work and stay very safe......there will be always misguided people but the stupid ones can be dangerous.

[Grumps]

You were given data amongst many other links etc.

I argued the data showed it was really serious and you still stand by your arguments even after it’s gone way way worse than

those who argued it was serious thought it would.

It’s gone way beyond Paulasky and I said it would.

But your still arguing flu is worse.

As a scientific comparison, what would you compare this virus with, other than flu? Not talking symptoms, seriousness, outcomes etc etc, but just a numbers comparison...

[Lowbankclaret]

I have just got in from work and today I experienced caring for my first covid patient.

I won’t go into details because I can’t but it was horrifically sad. Let me assure you, even comparing this to flu is stupid. This is far worse than flu. It’s moving quickly and it’s taking lives early.

In my experience flu has peaks on certain years and the majority of people who die from flu are not appropriate for escalation to ITU because even with out flu they wouldn’t be appropriate. The vast majority of people who die from flu never go to ITU. A lot of the covid patients are fit for ITU. Just because someone is old and has comorbidities doesn’t mean they are not for ITU. Lots of people over 70 survive ITU admissions. But a large proportion of people young and old are needing ITU to beat this virus and a lot who would beat flu are not beating this virus .

Thank you,

You with real life experience have just said what we have been trying to get across.

Your efforts are appreciated and Thank you

[Gordaleman]

As a scientific comparison, what would you compare this virus with, other than flu? Not talking symptoms, seriousness, outcomes etc etc, but just a numbers comparison...

Let me try to make myself clear about my views on Flu and Covid 19. First though, I just want to say that there is a massive misunderstanding about Flu in this country. You hear of so many people who have a bit of a cold, or even a bad cold, say they have been off work for a few days with Flu. That breeds the impression that Flu, isn't that bad. That's wrong. If you have Flu, and I've been unfortunate enough to have had it twice in my 72 years, then you aren't off for a few days, you are off for weeks. It's a serious disease.

Now for the differences between Flu and Covid 19.

Flu seems to attack all people in much the same way, and of course, if those people are old or infirm, it often results in their deaths.

Covid 19, as we are being told, makes some people a lot sicker than others. (e.g. why does it seem to leave most children untouched? Flu certainly doesn't.) Indeed, lots of people seem to get Covid 19 and either don't know about it at all and are totally asymptomatic, or only have mild symptoms. This could be very significant.

It means, that although a lot of people who get Covid 19 might really struggle, a lot more will have few or no problems with it. That doesn't happen with Flu.

The goverment has already said that they suspect at least 50 to 75,000 people and probably a lot more may have or have had the virus. That means that it might sweep through the country quickly but with less casualties than some are expecting.

I hope I'm right, being firmly in the 'At risk' group.

No doubt, the usual suspects will try to tear this attempt at analysis apart but then I wouldn't expect anything else.

[Lowbankclaret]

As a scientific comparison, what would you compare this virus with, other than flu? Not talking symptoms, seriousness, outcomes etc etc, but just a numbers comparison...

SARS, it’s not going to kill as many percentage wise.

But those who think it’s just flu are likely to be surprised when it kills them

[HieronymousBoschHobs]

As a scientific comparison, what would you compare this virus with, other than flu? Not talking symptoms, seriousness, outcomes etc etc, but just a numbers comparison...

Impossible to answer that question without a longitudinal study I'd imagine.