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Re: Covid-19

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:16 am

tiger76 wrote:
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I really thought that the hard-hitting messages,from ... Boris Johnson
Keen to know where you've seen any 'hard-hitting' messages from Johnson? All I've seen are a few semi-jovial press conferences with a few sound bites he's hoping will catch on. No real leadership whatsoever, exactly as most people expected.

The government has been reactive throughout and ignored the lessons from other countries to the point where we are well behind where we need to be. Having a prime minister not taking it seriously was bound to mean plenty of people won't either. We should have been fully locked down a week ago but it's already too late now, even if they finally do bring it in in the next few days.

In Italy they've been choosing whether to treat people over 65. That is coming here and sooner than you might realise. There are people dying and being buried with no family anywhere near them. It's horrible and I hope none of us go through that but it's sadly increasingly likely and make no mistake, the government is shifting responsibility rather than taking it.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:26 am

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“Herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad” - Cummings.

This government will be responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:28 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:16 am
Keen to know where you've seen any 'hard-hitting' messages from Johnson? All I've seen are a few semi-jovial press conferences with a few sound bites he's hoping will catch on. No real leadership whatsoever, exactly as most people expected.
I'm not sure if most expected it, but most people I've spoken to believe the government is doing a good job in exceptionally difficult circumstances.

I've seen Johnson make numerous serious points and he said this just yesterday which I wouldn't describe as semi-jovial:

"Because if your mother is elderly or vulnerable, then I am afraid all the statistics show that she is much more likely to die from coronavirus, or COVID-19. We cannot disguise or sugar coat the threat."

I reckon some people want Johnson and his government to fail though so they will not see any of this.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:41 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:28 am
I've seen Johnson make numerous serious points and he said this just yesterday which I wouldn't describe as semi-jovial:

"Because if your mother is elderly or vulnerable, then I am afraid all the statistics show that she is much more likely to die from coronavirus, or COVID-19. We cannot disguise or sugar coat the threat"
Then asked if he will visit his mother? Answer:
"I hope I get to see her"

Correct answer would be "No, that would be irresponsible at this time. I would encourage everyone to stay at home and avoid unnecessary contact."

Contradictory and mixed messages from the PM will cost lives.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:46 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:28 am
I've seen Johnson make numerous serious points and he said this just yesterday which I wouldn't describe as semi-jovial:

"Because if your mother is elderly or vulnerable, then I am afraid all the statistics show that she is much more likely to die from coronavirus, or COVID-19. We cannot disguise or sugar coat the threat"
I read that as well but its really not enough. A statement like that should be delivered on prime time tv because it's patently clear that people are not getting the message.

I've also seem him make serious points but they get lost inbetween him spouting drivel like we'll send it packing in 12 weeks. There's been a marked difference in tone between Johnson and Sunak. The latter is far more serious than the former.

As I said, the point is that they've ignored the warnings and been reactive - they've done some good stuff, don't get me wrong but they've largely been forced into it. It's not them that it will come back to bite hardest; it's us.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:48 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:41 am
Then asked if he will visit his mother? Answer:
"I hope I get to see her"

Correct answer would be "No, that would be irresponsible at this time. I would encourage everyone to stay at home and avoid unnecessary contact."

Contradictory and mixed messages from the PM will cost lives.
He said that on another day didn't he? And he may still see her via Skype. I'm sure some of the decisions will cost lives. Feels inevitable because of the significance of the situation.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:50 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:41 am
Then asked if he will visit his mother? Answer:
"I hope I get to see her"

Correct answer would be "No, that would be irresponsible at this time. I would encourage everyone to stay at home and avoid unnecessary contact."

Contradictory and mixed messages from the PM will cost lives.
Exactly. The latest puppet they sent our yesterday, George Eustice(?), was asked if people should still travel to holidays in this country with the overseas ban in place. The answer to this should be a flat out no but they just won't take the responsibility. They're leaving to the people so they can shift the blame.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:51 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:46 am
I read that as well but its really not enough. A statement like that should be delivered on prime time tv because it's patently clear that people are not getting the message.

I've also seem him make serious points but they get lost inbetween him spouting drivel like we'll send it packing in 12 weeks. There's been a marked difference in tone between Johnson and Sunak. The latter is far more serious than the former.

As I said, the point is that they've ignored the warnings and been reactive - they've done some good stuff, don't get me wrong but they've largely been forced into it. It's not them that it will come back to bite hardest; it's us.
Turning the tide in 12 weeks was also a serious point because it was a rallying call saying people must follow government advice if that is to happen.

And his latest message about mother's day is on pretty much every front page of newspapers and is being covered in new headlines.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:02 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:48 am
He said that on another day didn't he?
He said it yesterday, so now on Mother's Day he has to put out another press release urging people not to do what he said he would do on TV 24 hours ago.
All because he can't stay on message or resist his bumbling unthought out ad libs.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:13 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:51 am
Turning the tide in 12 weeks was also a serious point because it was a rallying call saying people must follow government advice if that is to happen.
It was not a rallying cry in any sense, it was a reassuring lie that will see many not take it as seriously as they should.
It's 'The War will be over by Christmas' when they know better.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:15 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:13 am
It was not a rallying cry in any sense, it was a reassuring lie that will see many not take it as seriously as they should.
It's 'The War will be over by Christmas' when they know better.
I took it to mean we can turn the tide in 12 weeks but only if the public adhere to social distancing guidance and where necessary self-isolation.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:22 am

Cryssys wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:29 pm
Sorry to hear that. Things are out of our control and there's little or nothing we can do so I can understand the anger and frustration. Hopefully the measures announced yesterday will help you/your company. Fingers crossed.

Good luck.
Thankyou. I'm hopeful but with a baby on the way I am having sleepless nights and if I can't resolve it tomorrow I'm going to have to seek alternative employment, however there are many others in the same boat.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:24 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:26 am
Sunday Times

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“Herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad” - Cummings.

This government will be responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Maybe Johnson’s joke of Operation last gasp wasn’t a joke at all

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:28 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:15 am
I took it to mean...
Right there is the problem. When your daily briefing should be reserved for updating facts & figures and giving crystal clear advise.
But instead waffle on like the newspaper columnist he is with phrases like
"I'm very sure we can get things done..." three times in two minutes. And recommend the public follow the advice “sedulously."
It's confusing, overblown and hard for the public to take anything of meaningful substance from and the lack of clarity & leadership result in people dying needlessly.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:34 am

If Joe Public does not know what to do by now then if we do follow Italy it will be our fault not the Government
Some of the media ask the most stupid questions
Should those planning hols in the UK go ahead?
Do they really have to ask such a question?
Can Joe Public not understand what social distancing and self isolation means
Pubs and restaurants should have been closing because no one was going rather than having to be closed because numpties were still going there
As a result of the stupid behaviour of a sizeable minority of the public we will be following Italy
And then those same numpties will blame the Government
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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:40 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:28 am
Right there is the problem. When your daily briefing should be reserved for updating facts & figures and giving crystal clear advise.
But instead waffle on like the newspaper columnist he is with phrases like
"I'm very sure we can get things done..." three times in two minutes. And recommend the public follow the advice “sedulously."
It's confusing, overblown and hard for the public to take anything of meaningful substance from and the lack of clarity & leadership result in people dying needlessly.
I'm pretty sure Johnson said it was 'vital' people follow instructions to turn the tide. There should be no reason why the overwhelming majority of people aren't clear what they should be doing or not doing. It's up to people to also take responsibility but we know many won't despite knowing the advice. An Executive Director of the WHO is saying now on Andrew Marr show that the UK is doing the right thing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:46 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:34 am
As a result of the stupid behaviour of a sizeable minority of the public we will be following Italy
And then those same numpties will blame the Government
If only there were other countries further ahead of us in this crisis, the government could then have observed & learned from what was happening and moved straight to the most effective protocols sooner..

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:47 am

I posted a chart yesterday, I have checked the data on Worldometer and it appears they are correct. I have added the last couple of days figures and the curve is still following Italy’s but 14 days behind.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:47 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:15 am
I took it to mean we can turn the tide in 12 weeks but only if the public adhere to social distancing guidance and where necessary self-isolation.
Yes and it was only the "we can beat it in 12 weeks*" bit that was all over the front pages.

I took it to mean exactly the same but there shouldn't be any ifs. There shouldn't be guidance. There should be absolute clarity and it should have been "you must do this" rather than "if you do". Then you wouldn't have thousands of thick, selfish d!ckheads going up Snowdon or packing beaches yesterday.

*a very very spurious claim at best
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Blackrod » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:51 am

That chart is strange in a way as the numbers definitely follow a pattern. Whilst it will get worse it has affected one region in Italy more than others and their family and healthcare structures are different.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:51 am

taio wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:40 am
I'm pretty sure Johnson said it was 'vital' people follow instructions to turn the tide. There should be no reason why the overwhelming majority of people aren't clear what they should be doing or not doing. It's up to people to also take responsibility but we know many won't despite knowing the advice. An Executive Director of the WHO is saying now on Andrew Marr show that the UK is doing the right thing.
He also said that -people who are suspected of having the virus should be tested ,on the same day WHO said ,test,test,test ,the government said they would not be testing suspected cases

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:52 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:47 am
I posted a chart yesterday, I have checked the data on Worldometer and it appears they are correct. I have added the last couple of days figures and the curve is still following Italy’s but 14 days behind.

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Have you just taken that picture that’s been doing the rounds on Facebook and just inputted the figures to excel to pass it off as your own???

Edit - Actually- nevermind, I’ve just seen the one you posted yesterday and have seen what you’ve done. My mistake.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:53 am

mdd2 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:34 am
Some of the media ask the most stupid questions
Should those planning hols in the UK go ahead?
Do they really have to ask such a question?
Considering the answer given to that question was the usual "We're advising people to practise social distancing.." waffle, instead of a firm "No, they must absolutely not be doing that", then yes, they do have to keep asking those 'stupid' questions because advice and guidance are just that; they aren't requirements, they aren't absolutes.

The people have to take responsibility but the government moreso.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:53 am

Blackrod wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:51 am
That chart is strange in a way as the numbers definitely follow a pattern. Whilst it will get worse it has affected one region in Italy more than others and their family and healthcare structures are different.
I guess the question is, does that matter if the numbers are still mirrored? At the end of the day if those numbers keep matching up closely, the fact it was in one region of Italy becomes irrelevant - those numbers will still be be similar.

Unless there's a reason for those numbers to stop being closely matched.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by quoonbeatz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:57 am

Blackrod wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:51 am
That chart is strange in a way as the numbers definitely follow a pattern. Whilst it will get worse it has affected one region in Italy more than others and their family and healthcare structures are different.
We have half the number of icu beds that Italy has.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:00 am

Maybe this is natures way of saving the planet from us?
Nah
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:16 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:53 am
I guess the question is, does that matter if the numbers are still mirrored? At the end of the day if those numbers keep matching up closely, the fact it was in one region of Italy becomes irrelevant - those numbers will still be be similar.

Unless there's a reason for those numbers to stop being closely matched.
The fact that it was in one region is relevant because it means that only a small number of hospitals and staff were dealing with a high number of patients, instead of it being spread more widely and more hospitals able to take some of the strain.
It's like Lancashire having to deal with 3000 cases, if those 3000 cases were spread over the whole of the UK it would be easier to deal with.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:24 am

1. COMPULSORY testing for those who think they have had the virus.

2. If positive that they HAVE had the virus then issue them with a special medical certificate (electronic ID) enabling them more 'freedoms' than those who haven't contracted the virus.

3. Life gets back to normal far more quickly for everyone.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:48 am

How reliable is the testing at the moment Mala591? I don't know but there will be false positives and false negatives. In the severe cases in China CT scanning was better at suggesting that the illness was Covid-19 than the RT-PCR of nasal throat and sputum testing although with repeated testing more positive swabs were found.
A wake up call for those at low risk of pegging there are apparently three doctors aged 30 on ventilators after caring for the sick.
Point 2 draft them into care homes and hospitals to look after folk such as helping with washing dressing etc

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:50 am

Blackrod wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:51 am
That chart is strange in a way as the numbers definitely follow a pattern. Whilst it will get worse it has affected one region in Italy more than others and their family and healthcare structures are different.
Currently it appears London is affected more than other regions.

It is going to be the case that there are hot spots.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:54 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:53 am
I guess the question is, does that matter if the numbers are still mirrored? At the end of the day if those numbers keep matching up closely, the fact it was in one region of Italy becomes irrelevant - those numbers will still be be similar.

Unless there's a reason for those numbers to stop being closely matched.
I am hoping our numbers stop rising by the same amount, but having seen some people behaviours not changing I think it this moment we will follow the same curve.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:01 am

I was watching a senior nurse being interviewed on BBC about an hour ago. If I remember correctly she said they had 4 wards with Covid 19 patients in. One of those just doing palliative care.
ICU had 3 or 4 beds left.

Her biggest concern was PPE, not enough and not of the correct quality. She was saying their worry is they are travelling home on Pimlico transport and spreading this virus making it worse.

At the end of all this, it’s going to be the health workers that will have been let down.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:01 am

Mala591 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:24 am
1. COMPULSORY testing for those who think they have had the virus.

2. If positive that they HAVE had the virus then issue them with a special medical certificate (electronic ID) enabling them more 'freedoms' than those who haven't contracted the virus.

3. Life gets back to normal far more quickly for everyone.
They don’t know if you can be reinfected yet

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 am

joey13 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:01 am
They don’t know if you can be reinfected yet
No, but if it's like just about every other known virus, it's extremely unlikely.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:16 am
Keen to know where you've seen any 'hard-hitting' messages from Johnson? All I've seen are a few semi-jovial press conferences with a few sound bites he's hoping will catch on. No real leadership whatsoever, exactly as most people expected.

The government has been reactive throughout and ignored the lessons from other countries to the point where we are well behind where we need to be. Having a prime minister not taking it seriously was bound to mean plenty of people won't either. We should have been fully locked down a week ago but it's already too late now, even if they finally do bring it in in the next few days.

In Italy they've been choosing whether to treat people over 65. That is coming here and sooner than you might realise. There are people dying and being buried with no family anywhere near them. It's horrible and I hope none of us go through that but it's sadly increasingly likely and make no mistake, the government is shifting responsibility rather than taking it.
I'd say Johnson's statement that "many families will lose loved ones before their time" was pretty hard hitting,that message was delivered on March 12,i do agree that the government could have been firmer in it's advice,and there has been mixed signals emanating from Whitehall,as an example the pubs,clubs and cafes,the public were advised not to frequent these places,but they weren't closed down,and legally people were entitled to use them if they wished,at least that's now been remedied albeit belatedly,equally the public aren't stupid and they should have the common sense to make their own decisions,personally the only places I've visited in the last few weeks,is the workplace,the dentist as i had an essential appointment for treatment,and the supermarket on a weekly basis for supplies,certainly not panic buying.

On Johnson's claim that "we can turn the tide in 12 weeks" what does that actually mean,we certainly won't eradicate covid-19 in the next 3 months,we might be able to slow the spread,and give the NHS more chance of treating ICU patients,but this crisis isn't ending anytime soon,and the government needs to level with people,best case scenario is that cases ease significantly over the summer months,and hopefully that'll lead to a reduction in the rate of people dying,but it's down to both the government and the public to play their part.Surely by now people should be aware of their responsibilities to themselves and others,that doesn't mean the government are absolved of their obligations altogether,but you can't blame them for people ignoring simple advice,and choosing to socialise in crowded areas,the pubs etc were closed yesterday,so instead people decided en masse to gather in outdoor locations,beaches,parks and the like,and now due to their stupidity the NT has closed all their sites.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Gordaleman » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:14 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:08 am
I'd say Johnson's statement that "many families will lose loved ones before their time" was pretty hard hitting,that message was delivered on March 12,i do agree that the government could have been firmer in it's advice,and there has been mixed signals emanating from Whitehall,as an example the pubs,clubs and cafes,the public were advised not to frequent these places,but they weren't closed down,and legally people were entitled to use them if they wished,at least that's now been remedied albeit belatedly,equally the public aren't stupid and they should have the common sense to make their own decisions,personally the only places I've visited in the last few weeks,is the workplace,the dentist as i had an essential appointment for treatment,and the supermarket on a weekly basis for supplies,certainly not panic buying.

On Johnson's claim that "we can turn the tide in 12 weeks" what does that actually mean,we certainly won't eradicate covid-19 in the next 3 months,we might be able to slow the spread,and give the NHS more chance of treating ICU patients,but this crisis isn't ending anytime soon,and the government needs to level with people,best case scenario is that cases ease significantly over the summer months,and hopefully that'll lead to a reduction in the rate of people dying,but it's down to both the government and the public to play their part.Surely by now people should be aware of their responsibilities to themselves and others,that doesn't mean the government are absolved of their obligations altogether,but you can't blame them for people ignoring simple advice,and choosing to socialise in crowded areas,the pubs etc were closed yesterday,so instead people decided en masse to gather in outdoor locations,beaches,parks and the like,and now due to their stupidity the NT has closed all their sites.
Largely agree with all that but if the NT hadn't told everyone they could visit parks etc. for free, perhaps people wouldn't have gone in droves?

I still think that Johnson is a buffoon though and if the earlier report from the Times is true about Cummings strategy of "If a few pensioners die, so be it." then that shows what the Tories think about the majority of us.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by damo_whitehead » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:14 am

Mala591 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:24 am
1. COMPULSORY testing for those who think they have had the virus.

2. If positive that they HAVE had the virus then issue them with a special medical certificate (electronic ID) enabling them more 'freedoms' than those who haven't contracted the virus.

3. Life gets back to normal far more quickly for everyone.
Great in theory but we all know that those who haven't had it and therefore don't gain their 'freedoms' back would likely become jealous and go out anyway.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:28 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:14 am
Largely agree with all that but if the NT hadn't told everyone they could visit parks etc. for free, perhaps people wouldn't have gone in droves?

I still think that Johnson is a buffoon though and if the earlier report from the Times is true about Cummings strategy of "If a few pensioners die, so be it." then that shows what the Tories think about the majority of us.
There is way I am defending a Tory gov.

But it depends on the definition of a few.

Several on here have said they will Not see this as more dangerous than seasonal flu until it’s killed more people than seasonal flu.

Perhaps the Gov thinking and early modelling showed that the total deaths would be similar to seasonal and they judged some would judge that as acceptable.

They changed their position when the modelling said it could be far greater.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:33 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:54 am
I am hoping our numbers stop rising by the same amount, but having seen some people behaviours not changing I think it this moment we will follow the same curve.
I do wonder when the penny's going to finally drop with some of the populace,maybe it'll be when they or their loved ones are lying on an ICU fighting for their lives.I know that sounds harsh but if that's the way to drive the message home so be it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:35 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:28 am
There is way I am defending a Tory gov.

But it depends on the definition of a few.

Several on here have said they will Not see this as more dangerous than seasonal flu until it’s killed more people than seasonal flu.

Perhaps the Gov thinking and early modelling showed that the total deaths would be similar to seasonal and they judged some would judge that as acceptable.

They changed their position when the modelling said it could be far greater.
And several thought it safe to stand in crowds. I was always a little sceptical on that one tbh.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:37 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:33 am
I do wonder when the penny's going to finally drop with some of the populace,maybe it'll be when they or their loved ones are lying on an ICU fighting for their lives.I know that sounds harsh but if that's the way to drive the message home so be it.
Like lemmings off a cliff some folk.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:39 am

Hindsight, fantastic isn’t it. Being glib isn’t.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:42 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:01 am
I was watching a senior nurse being interviewed on BBC about an hour ago. If I remember correctly she said they had 4 wards with Covid 19 patients in. One of those just doing palliative care.
ICU had 3 or 4 beds left.

Her biggest concern was PPE, not enough and not of the correct quality. She was saying their worry is they are travelling home on Pimlico transport and spreading this virus making it worse.

At the end of all this, it’s going to be the health workers that will have been let down.
It is really crazy that for too many years now nurses travel to and from work in their uniforms. The places where they used to HAVE to change into and out of their uniforms have long gone and as you say they will be spreading this if they have been in unknown contact with patients carrying the virus who are in hospital for other reasons.Most doctors have always worked in their civvies unless in theatres, ICU or A/E when in reality before all this broke they should have been in "scrubs"
Will this virus change these things? I doubt it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:43 am

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:39 am
Hindsight, fantastic isn’t it. Being glib isn’t.
Not fair zlatan. Some people did have foresight.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:43 am

Just seen this on Sky news so I am sharing on the basis it should be correct, but not checked the data. It’s a concerning graphic but should hopefully make people see what’s going on.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:51 am

30 confirmed cases in Lancashire so far - source Public Health England

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:54 am

Not looking good is it?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:03 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:43 am
Not fair zlatan. Some people did have foresight.
Entirely fair. Throw enough sh!t some will stick, and when he’s been wrong more than right I’ll point it out

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:43 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:43 am
Just seen this on Sky news so I am sharing on the basis it should be correct, but not checked the data. It’s a concerning graphic but should hopefully make people see what’s going on.

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Cant see Russia on that graph?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:04 pm

That's because they are off to Italy on a humanitarian mission

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