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Re: Covid-19

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:04 am

the police are basically redundant as a response based force. overstretched for years and ineffective.
Our populace is a mixture of decent and utter ****, there is no unity just a lot of well intentioned types who are performing minor miracles, but a huge number of thick, selfish neanderthals will perpetually undermine the good work for their own benefit.
from pricks looking to exploit the vulnerable, to bastards stockpiling and or selling the much needed products for an inflated profit. we do need a sense of community to prevail , but our communities are riddled with excrement, hence the need to clamp down hard. Sadly though, there isnt the clout to follow it up.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:56 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:44 am
However you choose to phrase it, it was blindingly obvious, lowbank & paulatky picked up straightaway a few others weren't far behind, some are still stuck in traps & some just starting out. Dead people dropping like flies tends to give a few clues away even at a early stage to people switched on.
Thank goodness we have the clued-in few to tell us.
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Re: Covid-1

Post by HieronymousBoschHobs » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:35 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:11 am
????

Which government's revenues from income tax as a proportion of wealth have (sic) been decreasing decade on decade? What does this mean?

Income tax is charged on income. Income arises from 2 sources: 1) employment (including self-employment) and 2) income earned by the assets you own. The latter can be split into a) dividends, interest, rents (less costs to maintain "working assets" and b) capital gains on the sale of assets at a higher price than the asset was acquired. (Have I missed any other sources of income)?

So, although there are some different rules on how different sources of income are taxed - and different allowances - generally, these incomes can be taxed and are taxed (putting aside "tax havens").

"More and more wealth is now contained in assets...." - I don't understand what you are saying: all assets have always been "wealth" (less any liabilities to own/acquire those "assets").

It seems that you are making an argument to "tax assets" in addition to taxing the income earned by those assets. Are you referring to financial assets? If it was "stocks and shares" what tax would you be collecting today when the stock markets are down, let's say 30%? And, the "stocks and shares" are not paying any dividends because the businesses are losing money? Or, are you thinking about things such as property? Let's say you've got a house worth £10 million (I'm assuming you only propose to tax the wealth of the "wealthy"). So, set the tax at 10%, where does the home owner get the money from to pay the £1 million tax? or set it at 1%, it's still the same question, where do they get the £100,000? And, what if they need to spend some money on maintaining their property? Or, let's think about one of the country's "favourite" billionaires, Richard Branson and Necker Island. How much tax would you charge on Necker Island - aside from the tax that may have been made by selling holidays on Necker Island (because that would be income tax)? Let's say you set a tax bill of £5 million a year on the owner of Necker Island. How much do you think Necker Island would be worth, if all it is is a tax bill of £5 million? My answer is pretty simple, it would be worth £nil. It would no longer be "an asset" - instead, if it can't earn income and tax is only charged on that income, it will be a liability. Best "tax dodge" in the world - don't own "Necker Island." So, how much tax will the gov't collect then?
I'm not a taxation specialist Paul. I did not mean to suggest I had a detailed policy portfolio in the boot of my car, which I'd been keeping there just in case capitalism went to ****. Wish I did.

'The problem that needs to be solved
Which government's revenues from income tax as a proportion of wealth have (sic) been decreasing decade on decade?
[sic] is used when you're quoting something verbatim and the material is not grammatically correct - indicating that the error lies in the source, not the article currently being read.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by HieronymousBoschHobs » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:40 am

I can refer you to the economists and commentators I have read. In fact, I tried to talk about Thomas Piketty with you, but you simply said 'I disagree' when presented with his arguments.

The sooner we can't stop seeing ideas as being somehow infected by a particular political viewpoint, the sooner we can find solutions to our problems. There is no left or right in what I'm saying: it's pure pragmatism.

How exactly we get a fair distribution of the tax burden is a technical question, but I do not see why it is unreasonable to seek a solution.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by HieronymousBoschHobs » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:55 am

So you are asking me what I mean by assets exactly and what I mean by wealth.

I'm not coming up with the meaning of these terms from my imagination.

Instead, I am googling them and getting the definition commonly accepted in the financial world :P :

Asset: 'An asset is a resource with economic value that an individual, corporation, or country owns or controls with the expectation that it will provide a future benefit. ' (Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/asset.asp)

Wealth: 'Wealth measures the value of all the assets of worth owned by a person, community, company, or country. Wealth is determined by taking the total market value of all physical and intangible assets owned, then subtracting all debts. Essentially, wealth is the accumulation of scarce resources. Specific people, organizations, and nations are said to be wealthy when they are able to accumulate many valuable resources or goods. Wealth can be contrasted to income in that wealth is a stock and income is a flow, and it can be seen in either absolute or relative terms.' (Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/wealth.asp)

So you are right that my usage of asset is confusing. But I think you can see from these definitions that if

Wealth is comprised of assets
The assets of individuals are taxed by the government in order to fund public services

Then, as a matter of fact, not all assets are being taxed as stringently as the kind of income most people get through their PAYE.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:23 am

Vino blanco wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:52 pm
Regarding taxis, to go to the hospital for example, the taxi system is working normally here but they will only accept one person in the taxi at a time. Also, my wife and I are not allowed to use the car together, i.e. only one person in the car at a time (there some exceptions like driving an ill person to the hospital etc). I don't know if this will happen in the UK but it's the kind of thing you have to get used to.
I don't get the only one in car bit, if its someone you live with, you're in contact with them anyway, if I drive my wife to the shops, don't get out of the car, what risk am I to myself or others?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:34 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:05 pm
All I can say is as a fishing bailiff.

You get to know who is taking the **** quickly.
Day 1,2,3 your not going to know but a pattern develops.
Not quite the same though, as the bailiff you no doubt police the same stretch of river or lake, making it easy, as you say to spot those doing wtong
How many police do you think it would take, to stand on every street to make sure people only go out to exercise once a day. Like I said, impossible to police.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:33 am

Agreed we don’t have enough police.
It will be hard to Police, from watching GMB, there is still lots of confusion as to a key worker.

Sports direct have ordered people to work, Ashley has declared them key workers.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by atlantalad » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:45 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:33 am
Agreed we don’t have enough police.
It will be hard to Police, from watching GMB, there is still lots of confusion as to a key worker.

Sports direct have ordered people to work, Ashley has declared them key workers.

Timpsons will be open then.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:21 am

While I appreciate our police are one of the most mealy mouthed physically weakest, hamstrung and often laughable forces in the world( with some very notable exceptions) ,surely moving on a few groups won’t sprain any ankles or offend anyone ? It’s simply giving them the official power if necessary .

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Pstotto » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:37 am

Given the choice, EVERY Liverpool fan would rather catch Covid-19 and see their team win the league and take their chances with it, than the league be cancelled or the title won behind closed doors.

100%.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:13 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:44 am
However you choose to phrase it, it was blindingly obvious, lowbank & paulatky picked up straightaway a few others weren't far behind, some are still stuck in traps & some just starting out. Dead people dropping like flies tends to give a few clues away even at a early stage to people switched on.
Thank you Jakubclaret

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:54 am

Page 1 of this thread, I posted:

"If it is 2% mortality rate, it's a lot more than 2% needing treatment and, although obviously everybody wouldn't be ill at once, we've never had anything like that capacity. Not even near. And other people will still keep being ill with other things as well.

If that happened, we'd need a massive effort from everybody to get stuck in and help. I hope our society - which can't be forced to act by its government the way Chinese society can - is capable of that."

Nothing's changed. Apart from some people have stuck their fingers deeper in their ears and some have shouted their prophecies of doom and destruction even louder, despite the fact most of what they foretell is still very much in the future.

Just because you said four weeks ago we'd all be dead by Christmas and you're still saying it - but louder - doesn't mean it's actually come true. It just means you're cranking up your own panicometer a bit more.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:19 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:13 am
Thank you Jakubclaret
Only stating the truth, left to some of them, we would be sipping a lemsip & sucking a jakemans & everything would be good to go, the reality is far different.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:25 am

Grumps wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:08 pm
Early days? How do you know that, how do you know it hasn't peaked? Nobody knows,so let's just report the facts...if you haven't been to Italy, stuck safely in a 4 star Tenerife hotel, or been in contact with someone who has, the known facts say you won't catch it, but just in case let's empty the supermarket and burden the NHS
Grumps you keep saying I misquoted you about the not peaked comment.

Well there it is above. Looked very silly to me at the time. Looks even sillier now.
As do most of your posts around that time.

Anyway stay safe as I hope even you now realise how serious this is

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:31 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:19 am
Only stating the truth, left to some of them, we would be sipping a lemsip & sucking a jakemans & everything would be good to go, the reality is far different.
Looking back through the earlier posts it scary even to me how quickly things have progressed and how severely the economy has been affected.

Also the posts from Gordaleman,Zaltan Grumps and many others,shall it put politely, look silly.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:34 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:31 am
Looking back through the earlier posts it scary even to me how quickly things have progressed and how severely the economy has been affected.

Also the posts from Gordaleman,Zaltan Grumps and many others,shall it put politely, look silly.
Silly or downright bordering on negligent, it's highly debatable.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:36 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:25 am
Grumps you keep saying I misquoted you about the not peaked comment.

Well there it is above. Looked very silly to me at the time. Looks even sillier now.
As do most of your posts around that time.

Anyway stay safe as I hope even you now realise how serious this is
Wow, you really don't get it do you? I was asking, how you, the self proclaimed expert on the matter knew, when nobody else in the world actually knew. Bearing in mind it was at the beginning, it was a relevant question at the time
I could spend my time going through all the other times you've misquoted, but to be honest iam not that sad, nor do I have the time.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:37 am

Meanwhile, among the mutual appreciation society rapidly breaking out between three doom-mongers we have the person who told us how serious it was but also told us the Chinese government killed the first doctor to find it. Even though we know medical staff get exposed to higher doses. We'll have real doctors and nurses in our communities who die from this, just like in every other country, while it's just a chance to promulgate another ******* conspiracy theory for some including the three backslapping amigos currently filling this thread with unwarranted highly-selective self-congratulatory smugness.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:37 am
Meanwhile, among the mutual appreciation society rapidly breaking out between three doom-mongers we have the person who told us how serious it was but also told us the Chinese government killed the first doctor to find it. Even though we know medical staff get exposed to higher doses. We'll have real doctors and nurses in our communities who die from this, just like in every other country, while it's just a chance to promulgate another ******* conspiracy theory for some including the three backslapping amigos currently filling this thread with unwarranted highly-selective self-congratulatory smugness.
But it was fine for you all the bully us back in the day. None of you have had the grace to admit you were wrong and out of order and I still think you are in denial

Grumps posting only last night lockdown would only be for 3 weeks as he thought he heard the PM say it

What the PM said is he hoped to turn the tide with the public’s cooperation in 12 weeks. Turning the tide is completely different to being over !!


Those of you who think footy will return think again , certainly not with a crowd in attendance.

How can they use medical backup whilst country is still in this crisis. Thats why not to extend early bird deadline and give a payment holiday was so wrong.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:57 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:25 am
Grumps you keep saying I misquoted you about the not peaked comment.

Well there it is above. Looked very silly to me at the time. Looks even sillier now.
As do most of your posts around that time.

Anyway stay safe as I hope even you now realise how serious this is
.... You have also quoted numerous times on here that I said it had peaked, please do me the curtesy of pointing out in the post you've quoted above where I said that

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:04 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
But it was fine for you all the bully us back in the day. None of you have had the grace to admit you were wrong and out of order and I still think you are in denial

Grumps posting only last night lockdown would only be for 3 weeks as he thought he heard the PM say it

What the PM said is he hoped to turn the tide with the public’s cooperation in 12 weeks. Turning the tide is completely different to being over !!


Those of you who think footy will return think again , certainly not with a crowd in attendance.

How can they use medical backup whilst country is still in this crisis. Thats why not to extend early bird deadline and give a payment holiday was so wrong.
Here we go again, you asked why people were mentioning 3 weeks, I said it was because the PM mentioned it in his speech. AT NO TIME DID I SAY THE LOCKDOWN WOULD ONLY LAST 3 WEEKS. you really do struggle with telling the truth don't you.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:10 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
But it was fine for you all the bully us back in the day. None of you have had the grace to admit you were wrong and out of order and I still think you are in denial.
I never bullied you. Grow up.

Don't go on random rants that are mostly about other people and (FFS) early bird payment periods on football tickets while proclaiming how serious it is and lob them at me.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:15 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:56 am
But it was fine for you all the bully us back in the day. None of you have had the grace to admit you were wrong and out of order and I still think you are in denial

Grumps posting only last night lockdown would only be for 3 weeks as he thought he heard the PM say it

What the PM said is he hoped to turn the tide with the public’s cooperation in 12 weeks. Turning the tide is completely different to being over !!


Those of you who think footy will return think again , certainly not with a crowd in attendance.

How can they use medical backup whilst country is still in this crisis. Thats why not to extend early bird deadline and give a payment holiday was so wrong.
I mentioned this only the other week about football being cancelled for a longer duration & don't expect it back any time soon, the poster disagreed. I don't think having the grace to admit you was in denial or incorrect is appropriate, a wise course of action in applicable circumstances is to actually take onboard what somebody more knowledgeable is saying & even more so when the events unfolding have already been accurately predicted weeks ago, FFS if the virus doesn't get you he will :lol:
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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:16 pm

Italy's 'head of civil protection' reckons around 600,000 people have been infected there. It would explain the death stats.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:21 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:16 pm
Italy's 'head of civil protection' reckons around 600,000 people have been infected there. It would explain the death stats.
Yes. Spotted that. That's back to the 'tip of the iceberg' question. It's good news if true.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Erasmus » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:34 pm

I say this with no personal axe to grind as I haven't made any predictions or criticised anyone who has, but it's not just a matter of being right or wrong in one's speculations about future trends it's also about the effect your words might have on those reading them. It may well be the case that those who feared the worst will have their fears justified although it may also be the case that we move in the same direction as China and South Korea and deal with it relatively quickly. I don't think anybody really knows, so all predictions are speculative.

The point I would make is that even if you are expecting things to get very bad, it's probably no a good idea to post such doom-laden predictions. Do your words benefit anyone, or do they cause harm? I think the latter is more likely as we have seen from widespread anxiety in individuals and then panic buying in the shops that has seriously added to the problem. So those who predicted a serious deterioration of the situation may have been right in a factual sense, but they were probably wrong to publish their views as this did no one any good and added to the problem in some small way.

The same applies now, there is no point in expressing your view as to how absolutely terrible this all is. It benefits no one and it clearly adds to the problem, particularly when the future is a a massive unknown.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:42 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:16 pm
Italy's 'head of civil protection' reckons around 600,000 people have been infected there. It would explain the death stats.
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronav ... ws-2505839

"Italy is also a country characterised by extensive intergenerational contacts which are supported by a high degree of residential proximity between adult children and their parents.
In short, this means younger people are more likely to visit their parents or grand-parents on a regular basis compared to other countries. Most also live in close proximity to each other.
The authors of the study argue that this has enabled the virus to spread easily from the young to the most vulnerable in a short period of time.
There have also been suggestions that Covid-19 was circulating in Italy before the first cases were detected."
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:45 pm

Are Amazon/ebay only delivering important 'life essential' products or just any old crap?

What if the Amazon/ebay driver is infected?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:54 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:45 pm
Are Amazon/ebay only delivering important 'life essential' products or just any old crap?

What if the Amazon/ebay driver is infected?
You're not meant to meet them face-to-face. Chances of spread from non face-to-face contact are relatively slim.

(PS eBay don't deliver by the way - that comes by post or parcel companies)

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:55 pm

Erasmus wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:34 pm
The same applies now, there is no point in expressing your view as to how absolutely terrible this all is. It benefits no one and it clearly adds to the problem, particularly when the future is a a massive unknown.
Quite right Erasmus, be informed by all means but doom mongering doesn't help. They say 'it's the hope that kills you' but it's quite the opposite.

However tough things are, just spend a bit of time instead looking at improvements and recovery in China, Korea and now hopefully Italy. Then have a read on the research making quick progress on testing and vaccines. The financial support from governments rather than the economic hit.

It'll improve in the summer, it'll be over next year. The world isn't going to end.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Mala591 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:54 pm
You're not meant to meet them face-to-face. Chances of spread from non face-to-face contact are relatively slim.

(PS eBay don't deliver by the way - that comes by post or parcel companies)
But the virus can stay active for 'up to a few days' on inanimate surfaces e.g. packaging

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm

Mala,
you need to believe that anything you buy, whether delivery or from any shop, is infected and act accordingly.

You should have your safe space and anything, human or anything entering that space is infected and do whatever you can to ensure it does not spread to those living in the safe space, this can be beyond your home, car for example. We got an Uber around 10 days ago, when we went to get in the doors were locked and we had to go to the drivers window where he gave a shot of hand sanitizer, once he had seen us "washing" our hands we were let in. A bit over the top I thought but in some ways sensible, asked him about it and his passengers, he said very little complaining but a few who were upset, one young women he said abused him and swore, saying she wouldn't do it. He asked her politely again and she replied F no I wont, he drove off without another word. I can see it all in my minds eye, wonder what she thinks now and if she actually tells people about this.

Stay safe everyone

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:19 pm

Regarding Amazon:

1. Can I place an order? Will Amazon deliver my parcel?

Yes, Amazon continues to serve customers. You can check the current delivery times at order check-out or via Your Orders in your account. When selecting a delivery address, be aware that companies and businesses may be closed and unable to receive parcels.

2. Are delivery times affected?

Our teams are working to ensure we can continue to deliver to the most affected customers, many of whom have no other way to get essential items. We are prioritising the intake and dispatch of items most needed by our customers right now. These are items such as food, health and personal care products, books and items needed to work from home. As a result, please note that delivery times for some items may be longer than usual at the moment. See more details here.

3. Is it possible to return items?

Yes, you can continue to return items. Go to My Orders to return an item or check the return window for your order.

4. Is it safe to receive orders?

The likelihood of an infected person contaminating commercial goods is low and the risk of catching the virus that causes COVID-19 from a package that has been moved, travelled, and exposed to different conditions and temperature is also low. You can find the latest information on COVID-19 on the information pages of the UK Government and the World Health Organization.

5. Is it possible to reduce contact with the driver when they deliver my order?

Yes. Drivers have been advised to reduce contact with customers by placing packages at the customer’s doorstep and stepping back. If an ID check is required, these are now performed at a distance.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/b/?_encoding=U ... 30Z4E632QH

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:28 pm

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm
But the virus can stay active for 'up to a few days' on inanimate surfaces e.g. packaging
Can do. Might do. Small chance. CDC doesn't reckon that "get on hands, touch face" is the main way it spreads. In the scheme of things, this isn't a big deal as far as I can tell. Better things to worry about.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ssion.html

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:29 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:19 pm
Regarding Amazon:

1. Can I place an order? Will Amazon deliver my parcel?

Yes, Amazon continues to serve customers. You can check the current delivery times at order check-out or via Your Orders in your account. When selecting a delivery address, be aware that companies and businesses may be closed and unable to receive parcels.

2. Are delivery times affected?

Our teams are working to ensure we can continue to deliver to the most affected customers, many of whom have no other way to get essential items. We are prioritising the intake and dispatch of items most needed by our customers right now. These are items such as food, health and personal care products, books and items needed to work from home. As a result, please note that delivery times for some items may be longer than usual at the moment. See more details here.

3. Is it possible to return items?

Yes, you can continue to return items. Go to My Orders to return an item or check the return window for your order.

4. Is it safe to receive orders?

The likelihood of an infected person contaminating commercial goods is low and the risk of catching the virus that causes COVID-19 from a package that has been moved, travelled, and exposed to different conditions and temperature is also low. You can find the latest information on COVID-19 on the information pages of the UK Government and the World Health Organization.

5. Is it possible to reduce contact with the driver when they deliver my order?

Yes. Drivers have been advised to reduce contact with customers by placing packages at the customer’s doorstep and stepping back. If an ID check is required, these are now performed at a distance.


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Factual and frank, Factual Frank.

Unlike the hysteria in the post before. Now that is a poster whose series of posts do lead me to question whether they are a bad actor as unlikely as it seems this forum would attract someone like that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:38 pm

I think the expression China and South Korea have dealt with it, should read are dealing effectively with it.Unless there is a sizeable proportion of the populus who cannot be infected and or a really large number of subclinical infections this virus will reappear once personal contacts start again.
We will not be returning to life as was before this thing started until we have lasting herd immunity via infection with this virus or via vaccination.
Very interesting about how the 40 mutations allow scientists to track where a virus picked up in someone came from. apparently 7 of those infected in Iceland got it at a football match in the UK. Headline in the Mail on line below.


Scientists in Iceland claim they have found FORTY mutations of the coronavirus – and admit seven cases can be traced back to 'a football match in England'

Oh and no need to panic most mutations do not make it a new infection. There will be cross immunity to most.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:38 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:10 pm
I never bullied you. Grow up.

Don't go on random rants that are mostly about other people and (FFS) early bird payment periods on football tickets while proclaiming how serious it is and lob them at me.
Where have I mentioned you ?
You must have a guilty conscience or are paranoid, maybe both

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:40 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:29 pm
Factual and frank, Factual Frank.

Unlike the hysteria in the post before. Now that is a poster whose series of posts do lead me to question whether they are a bad actor as unlikely as it seems this forum would attract someone like that.
I actually have 2 parcels being delivered later this afternoon. I could ask them to leave them outside the door, but so long as they don't cough whilst handing them to me, I'm sure it will be fine.

Otherwise, it just means it's going from their hands to the floor, to my hands, vs from their hands to my hands.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:42 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:29 pm
Factual and frank, Factual Frank.

Unlike the hysteria in the post before. Now that is a poster whose series of posts do lead me to question whether they are a bad actor as unlikely as it seems this forum would attract someone like that.
I love that you have better things to worry about, making up childish remarks probably being the main one plus being critical of so many posters is definitely your forte, hysteria lol

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:44 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:36 am
Wow, you really don't get it do you? I was asking, how you, the self proclaimed expert on the matter knew, when nobody else in the world actually knew. Bearing in mind it was at the beginning, it was a relevant question at the time
I could spend my time going through all the other times you've misquoted, but to be honest iam not that sad, nor do I have the time.
And you dont get it . I could say it with certainty as I looked at the facts and used my brain to come to a logical conclusion .

You should try it one day

How does the saying go” use it or lose it” maybe in your case its too late its already been lost due to inactivity

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:46 pm

I have posted this before but useful to repeat - most mutations make the virus LESS damaging to the host, so that the virus survives and breeds. That happened with SARS and it happened with this in Singapore supposedly.

We therefore needn’t worry beyond the need to get through this until a vaccine is here. It’s grim enough, we need to stay positive where we can.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by uptheclarets » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:46 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:44 pm
And you dont get it . I could say it with certainty as I looked at the facts and used my brain to come to a logical conclusion .

You should try it one day

How does the saying go” use it or lose it” maybe in your case its too late its already been lost due to inactivity
Brilliant response !!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:48 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:46 pm

We therefore needn’t worry beyond the need to get through this until a vaccine is here. It’s grim enough, we need to stay positive where we can.
Do we need to wait that long if a suitable treatment is found in the meantime?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:49 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:31 am
Looking back through the earlier posts it scary even to me how quickly things have progressed and how severely the economy has been affected.

Also the posts from Gordaleman,Zaltan Grumps and many others,shall it put politely, look silly.
Somebody mention me? Point out where I’ve been shown to look silly? And I’ll point out the numerous times I’ve questioned stupidity from you and Lowbankclaret... how’s that 26% death rate looking? Are the Chinese government killing people and burning bodies...?

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Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:52 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:38 pm
Where have I mentioned you ?
You must have a guilty conscience or are paranoid, maybe both
You know the post where you replied to me and said, "But it was fine for you all the (sic) bully us back in the day..."

That one. You have no lost sight of the truth completely.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:54 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:49 pm
Somebody mention me? Point out where I’ve been shown to look silly? And I’ll point out the numerous times I’ve questioned stupidity from you and Lowbankclaret... how’s that 26% death rate looking? Are the Chinese government killing people and burning bodies...?
Only when Singapore aren't locking down (LowBank), Oxford Street isn't barricaded (paulatky) or the Chinese aren't killing doctors (JakubClaret).
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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:58 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:52 pm
You know the post where you replied to me and said, "But it was fine for you all the (sic) bully us back in the day..."

That one. You have no lost sight of the truth completely.
I didnt mention you in the post I referred to.
You really are paranoid.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:02 pm

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:58 pm
I didnt mention you in the post I referred to.
You really are paranoid.
But you replied to me and used the word "you" in the first sentence.

You're a liar. Not even a good one.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:02 pm

uptheclarets wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:46 pm
Brilliant response !!
Depends on your intelligence I guess, I would much have preferred an explanation as to why he continues to tell lies.

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