Covid-19

[Lowbankclaret]

No UK death figures as yet today!!!

3 people went fishing, WTF.

Loads of people ignoring the lockdown.

It’s all going swimmingly!!

[thatdberight]

No UK death figures as yet today!!!

3 people went fishing, WTF.

Loads of people ignoring the lockdown.

It’s all going swimmingly!!

They're obviously making up the numbers and lying to us.

We rely on you to give us the real Lowbank low-down.

Let us know.

[evensteadiereddie]

To be fair, the fairly local flyfishing lake operates a "put your money in the letterbox" scheme and then you make your way to the lakes. No fly fisherman will stand within twenty metres of another never mind two metres....
I'm not sure if it's open, I went last week but am desperate to go again.

[Bin Ont Turf]

This shite has just got serious.

You are only allowed 3 bottles of beer from Morrisons.

[jollyjack]

Per visit. Go to the back of the queue and come in again for another three.....

[jollyjack]

Off licences now on the list of essential workers!

[Grumps]

No UK death figures as yet today!!!

3 people went fishing, WTF.

Loads of people ignoring the lockdown.

It’s all going swimmingly!!

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[TonbridgeClaret]

28

28 in England, 43 in UK

[mdd2]

28 in England, 43 in UK

Looking like the lull before the storm
I think over a thousand new cases in the last 24 hr and looking at some of the pictures from around the Country too many people out and about just for the sake of it. So a lot more cases to develop the bug and many more deaths (but really hope that doesn't happen)

[Spijed]

Looking like the lull before the storm
I think over a thousand new cases in the last 24 hr and looking at some of the pictures from around the Country too many people out and about just for the sake of it. So a lot more cases to develop the bug and many more deaths (but really hope that doesn't happen)

But one we should not do is compare out situation with Italy where their culture is completely different to ours.

[Lowbankclaret]

To be fair, the fairly local flyfishing lake operates a "put your money in the letterbox" scheme and then you make your way to the lakes. No fly fisherman will stand within twenty metres of another never mind two metres....
I'm not sure if it's open, I went last week but am desperate to go again.

We have been told to close down the fishing lakes, had to go kick off the three people. Fishing not classed as exercise and could get you a £30 fine.

[Spijed]

New study from oxford university
https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd ... bea055720b

[Lowbankclaret]

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Those number were encouraging.

Makes you wonder London thinks it needs a 4000 bed hospital.

One family who went to Austria are fairly sure they had Covid 19 in early Jan.

Plus the video I put on of the woman who could not breath that some on here claimed to be fake, it was not fake and she is better now and live on GMB being interviewed.

[jackmiggins]

Given the times for infection, development of the disease & subsequent death, we won’t see any possible ‘improvement’ in figures for about three weeks.

[yosserhughes]

To be fair, the fairly local flyfishing lake operates a "put your money in the letterbox" scheme and then you make your way to the lakes. No fly fisherman will stand within twenty metres of another never mind two metres....
I'm not sure if it's open, I went last week but am desperate to go again.

Don't know which club you are in eddie, but got a text from my fishing club saying that United Utilities have closed our fly fishing reservoir.

[jackmiggins]

Mind you, London will take longer due to lack of lockdown, tubes etc.

[TheFamilyCat]

Given the times for infection, development of the disease & subsequent death, we won’t see any possible ‘improvement’ in figures for about three weeks.

I was thinking the same thing which means the three week LINO (lockdown in name only) was always realistic. Hopefully after another three weeks we will see a significant impact and some restrictions can be eased.

[Grumps]

Those number were encouraging.

Makes you wonder London thinks it needs a 4000 bed hospital.

One family who went to Austria are fairly sure they had Covid 19 in early Jan.

Plus the video I put on of the woman who could not breath that some on here claimed to be fake, it was not fake and she is better now and live on GMB being interviewed.

Evidence given to a parliamentary committee yesterday stated that the peak will be in around 3 weeks time, by getting things in place before then they think the NHS will be able to cope.
It was also said they expect the death rate to be less than 20k, as long as people follow the rules.

[TheFamilyCat]

Evidence given to a parliamentary committee yesterday stated that the peak will be in around 3 weeks time, by getting things in place before then they think the NHS will be able to cope.
It was also said they expect the death rate to be less than 20k, as long as people follow the rules.

I think it was in the same report that it said that between a third and half of all the deaths would be likely to have died this year because of their age and health condition.

[NottsClaret]

Really noticeable how governments - and us - react to death rate figures from each day with more demands and action, even though they're showing you the results of what we were doing three or four weeks ago.

Hard not to panic as the figures shoot up, but it'll be a while before we see any benefit, as Italy hopefully are now. Likewise, in China they'll have no idea how many restrictions it's safe to lift until they see the numbers who start dying again a month from now. Without widespread testing, there's not much else to do.

[Spijed]

even though they're showing you the results of what we were doing three or four weeks ago.

I thought the incubation period was on average five days and any serious symptoms a few days after that?

So any new cases would be showing up from that last week or so?

[NottsClaret]

Yeah, it was more about the focus on the death rate and how we react but we still only test those that end up in hospital - or the rich and famous. So they’ve had it a while and then deteriorated by that stage too.

Without widespread testing every response is going to be so clunky, we’ll hopefully get smarter at it as time goes on.

[thatdberight]

New study from oxford university
https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd ... bea055720b

We know so little as yet. I would still be surprised but not shocked to find I'd had it. Two+ weeks of a persistent but not continuous dry cough. Definitely flushed over the first three or four days. A few strange muscle pains in the early days. Something of nothing. But, I'm assuming not until told otherwise.

[thatdberight]

New study from oxford university
https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd ... bea055720b

That article sparked the inevitable, "No they haven't. You're just saying that to get attention." from another group of scientists.

https://www.ft.com/content/ebab9fcc-6e8 ... 503995cd6f

[tiger76]

Why is Trump still getting high approval ratings,when most commentators feel his handling of the crisis has been tepid at best.

There's been a lot of criticism of US President Donald Trump for not taking the virus seriously early on and wasting precious time to prepare for the pandemic but that criticism doesn't seem seem to have hurt his approval ratings.

According to pollster Gallup, 49% of Americans approve of the job he does, while only 45% disapprove. The data is for the week 13-22 March and on par with the highest ratings he ever got in Gallup surveys.

Specific to the virus crisis, 60% say he's doing a good job versus 38% disapproving of the man at the helm.

Meanwhile, US infection numbers are rising sharply and there are warnings that the health system could collapse under a wave of patients.

These numbers suggest he could well win a 2nd term,mind you his perspective opponent hardly inspires confidence,so it may well be the better the devil you know with many Americans.

[joey13]

Joey,
so happy you could join us and add your intellectual insight to the discussion, it's brilliant I now have something to ponder and wrestle with for the next few hours if not days. As always your contribution to any discussion is welcome but please don't take such a long time to educate us all in the future please.

Stay safe

Fantastic

[AlargeClaret]

Why is Trump still getting high approval ratings,when most commentators feel his handling of the crisis has been tepid at best.

There's been a lot of criticism of US President Donald Trump for not taking the virus seriously early on and wasting precious time to prepare for the pandemic but that criticism doesn't seem seem to have hurt his approval ratings.

According to pollster Gallup, 49% of Americans approve of the job he does, while only 45% disapprove. The data is for the week 13-22 March and on par with the highest ratings he ever got in Gallup surveys.

Specific to the virus crisis, 60% say he's doing a good job versus 38% disapproving of the man at the helm.

Meanwhile, US infection numbers are rising sharply and there are warnings that the health system could collapse under a wave of patients.

These numbers suggest he could well win a 2nd term,mind you his perspective opponent hardly inspires confidence,so it may well be the better the devil you know with many Americans.

Mainly because ( I’d imagine ) we get a very skewed and very vocal lib/left “ trump hatred echo chamber “ on social media. The left are a million times more savvy on media platforms , tend to generally have more time ( students etc ) and certainly are more “ out there” vocal . and a little more concise .While he’s a bizzare almost idiotIf at time’s “bellend of bellends” I guess a lot of yanks feel he’s “ doing ok” .

[thatdberight]

Mainly because ( I’d imagine ) we get a very skewed and very vocal lib/left “ trump hatred echo chamber “ on social media. The left are a million times more savvy on media platforms , tend to generally have more time ( students etc ) and certainly are more “ out there” vocal . and a little more concise .While he’s a bizzare almost idiotIf at time’s “bellend of bellends” I guess a lot of yanks feel he’s “ doing ok” .

I'm nearly as worried if this turns out (for whatever reason) to be less serious than we think as I am about how it looks like it will be.

If the Oxford model in the FT today is right and we've done all this for relatively little, good luck trying to do it again next time the same happens. In an age when we've already "had enough of experts", that would be catastrophic for public trust.

[paulatky]

Not good employment numbers comimg out of the US earlier,But strangely stock markets rose

[KateR]

some more info those interested in reading different outlooks on the whole scenario, a world renowned company providing thoughts regarding effects, and what businesses can expect in the future.

https://www.mckinsey.com/business-funct ... r-business

[Lowbankclaret]

Just been to put up No Fishing signs on Rowley and Foulridge due to people ignoring the Government advise.
Spoke to a lady who’s friend (52 year old nurse) who lives near Rowley is in Blackburn being ventilated , hope Inchy knows more.
Many people walking round Burnley in masks.
I would say people were observing social distancing in the main, improvement on other days.
My good lady went into Lidl and all except an old couple who had a trolley each were lining up two meters apart, old couple tried to jump the queue at every till, bless em.

Hope this continues to improve for all of us.

[KateR]

Further to previous link the one below provides Infographics and charts for those who like to see rather than read, you can interpret these yourself but conclusions are also available for debate as we continue to move into the great unknown.

https://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckins ... final.ashx

[thatdberight]

One for our resident conspiracy theorists from the BBC website...

"Latest figures for England and the UK as a whole will be released later. The government has said it is currently changing the way deaths are recorded."

I look forward to your outlandish theories.

[Loyalclaret]

Hurstwood is also shut

[Lowbankclaret]

One for our resident conspiracy theorists from the BBC website...

"Latest figures for England and the UK as a whole will be released later. The government has said it is currently changing the way deaths are recorded."

I look forward to your outlandish theories.

Apologies, not being funny. Where is that from??

Just not seen it.

[Zlatan]

not hard to find...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52044452

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[thatdberight]

... from the BBC website...

Where is that from??

[Lowbankclaret]

I was scan reading whilst my boss was blagging my head about a lack of parts in Singapore.

Multitasking not my strong point.

[Tall Paul]

It looks like the only change is the timing of the figures, which could be why yesterday's was low. Today's figure is likely to be higher, so don't panic and look at today and yesterday together.

[Lowbankclaret]

We are already one of the few countries who are not giving out figures for serious or critically ill figures.
Boris wants to flatten curve, best way to do that is to fix the figures, no surprise there!!

[Zlatan]

Coming from you, the suggestion that Boris is manipulating the data is laughable

[Spijed]

We are already one of the few countries who are not giving out figures for serious or critically ill figures.
Boris wants to flatten curve, best way to do that is to fix the figures, no surprise there!!

Surely the best way to flatten the curve is to make the situation seem far worse than it is, thus more people will panic a bit more and self-isolate?

[1HappyClaret]

One of the changes is that the Government will need to get permission from relatives to release the numbers. This makes no sense as it does not involving giving out personal information.

The UK figures do not add up when you here all the leading Doctor’s saying what it’s like on the frontline.

[Mala591]

Hurstwood is also shut

As Barley is the international reference point for human and automobile movement, what is the latest update from the 'on the ground' WHO observation team?

Thanks

[thatdberight]

One of the changes is that the Government will need to get permission from relatives to release the numbers.

Source?

[thatdberight]

Surely the best way to flatten the curve is to make the situation seem far worse than it is, thus more people will panic a bit more and self-isolate?

In that case you've just been chatting to the curveflattener-in-chief.

[Lowbankclaret]

Coming from you, the suggestion that Boris is manipulating the data is laughable

Once again , let’s see your 1% calculation.

With its ifs but and maybes.

But it makes you feel better.

[thatdberight]

Once again , let’s see your 1% calculation.

With its ifs but and maybes.

But it makes you feel better.

The thing about Zlatan is that he doesn't think he's cleverer than he is. So he quotes the work of experts knowing it could be wrong but it's the best bet going.

Only a fool - and worse, a fool who doesn't know he's a fool - would do otherwise.

[Fenwick]

As Barley is the international reference point for human and automobile movement, what is the latest update from the 'on the ground' WHO observation team?

Thanks

Just been on the phone to my dad who lives there. Barley is shut properly according to him. As in road blocks.

[1HappyClaret]

Source?