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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:52 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:45 pm
Even under questioning on the Gov presentation today he admitted the data could lag by a couple of weeks. That’s ok if your ok with our Gov using data that’s two weeks old to make decisions on lockdown.
Will you be ok being on lockdown for an extra two weeks due to data lag.
What they mean is that the number of deaths lags behind the number of infections by a couple of weeks. Not that they are two weeks late counting the data.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by JarrowClaret » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:55 pm

JohnMac wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:29 pm
This afternoon a former Army colleague and friend succumbed to the Corvid-19 Virus.

He was admitted into hospital last Sunday, unconcious and suffering from pneumonia so he was put into an induced coma and started on a ventilator.

He seemed to be making progress up until Friday when they had to increase his oxygen and turn him onto his front. Yesterday evening they called his a wife who had been sent home to self isolate since Sunday. Bob had regressed to the point where they couldn't do anything medically to help him. She and their Son were allowed their only visit in order to say their goodbye as he wasn't expected to last the night.

He fought using the 1% chance they gave him and despite receiving every bit of Care, passed this afternoon.

This is so raw, we his Regimental family, will not be able to say farewell. His Wife and Son had to endure the past week apart, not even allowed to visit each other.

We are in the midst of something never experienced by any living generation, not even those around in World War Two.

This MUST be taken seriously, it becomes so real when it is personal.

Stay safe everyone.

Hi John

I’m really sorry to read this I avoid the site at the moment as much as possible as the childish bickering really annoys me so only saw this today. I seem to remember you saying you were a Gunner and I assume your Mate was as was I he’s in the Bty Bar in the Sky god bless and stay safe.

Sad times!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:59 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:52 pm
What they mean is that the number of deaths lags behind the number of infections by a couple of weeks. Not that they are two weeks late counting the data.
There are delays (some significant) in reporting. I posted this a few minutes ago but it got lost(?!).

"There are various reasons why a hospital trust might delay reporting a death, including contact tracing, the internal validation processes and staff absences. For sheer capacity reasons, it’s occasionally necessary for some trusts to report over a longer time period" (NHS)

Some people have leapt on a since discredited error in reporting on BBC to claim... well to claim all sorts of nonsense. They'll probably add the NHS to the list of co-conspirators. Families do not have to give permission for anonymized numbers to be released. There's no credible source saying they do.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:59 pm
There are delays (some significant) in reporting. I posted this a few minutes ago but it got lost(?!).

"There are various reasons why a hospital trust might delay reporting a death, including contact tracing, the internal validation processes and staff absences. For sheer capacity reasons, it’s occasionally necessary for some trusts to report over a longer time period" (NHS)

Some people have leapt on a since discredited error in reporting on BBC to claim... well to claim all sorts of nonsense. They'll probably add the NHS to the list of co-conspirators. Families do not have to give permission for anonymized numbers to be released. There's no credible source saying they do.
now you are giving false information. A family member has to give permission to add them to the numbers.

I copied a link earlier that confirmed that.

That’s why the gov made it a notify-able disease. To invoke it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:24 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm
now you are giving false information. A family member has to give permission to add them to the numbers.

I copied a link earlier that confirmed that.

That’s why the gov made it a notify-able disease. To invoke it.
Can you copy the link again?

notifiable* by the way

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:38 pm

The UK's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance says he expects the social distancing measures being put in place will reduce the number of cases of transmission of coronavirus in the community and decrease the number of cases overall.

Pointing to a graph detailing new cases of coronavirus, he says we shouldn't pay "too much attention" to day-to-day fluctuations in figures.

"We need to look over time and see what's happening," he says.

He adds that cases are being detected with a positive test, so the graph is an underestimate of the total number of cases.

It'll take at least 2 weeks before we know if the social distancing measures are having an effect,but the early signs are promising,we just won't see an obvious benefit straight away.

Eight thousand people have been admitted to hospital since the middle of March, the UK's chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance says.

"That's gone up pretty much the same amount each day for the last couple of days," he says, "which may suggest that we're already beginning to see some effects through."

He says this also suggests "we're not on a fast acceleration at the moment".

About half of the hospital admissions are in London, he says.

But he says there are cases everywhere in the UK and so the message of "stay at home" applies everywhere.

It was mentioned on one of the news outlets that from tomorrow the death toll will include those that have died without attending hospital,therefore it's likely the numbers will spike,but equally there's a lot of undetected cases in the community,so these have to be weighed up in judging the mortality rate.

The grim reality is it's going to get worse before it gets better,the hope is that the curve is flattening enough for the NHS to cope,so far that seems to be the case,but a lot relies on the public adhering to the rules.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:55 pm

The 8000 could be so much higher but for people self isolating & with what’s going on, people just simply aren’t going to A&E like their used to through fear of catching something, Unless you are seriously poorly going to the hospital is the last resort

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:58 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:55 pm
The 8000 could be so much higher but for people self isolating & with what’s going on, people just simply aren’t going to A&E like their used to through fear of catching something, Unless you are seriously poorly going to the hospital is the last resort
And it could be so much less but for people going on tours of hardware shops.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:10 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:33 pm
Can I just check I've understood you correctly; you think two UTC posters who live in Wuhan are working for the Chinese propaganda machine?
and that's only those 2. I've also spotted one or two others letting slip their "left wing" views once or twice. ;)

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Even the Vatican's not immune to this disease.

Pope Francis’s vicar of Rome tests positive
The vicar for the diocese of Rome, Angelo De Donatis, has tested positive for coronavirus, becoming the first known Catholic cardinal to do so.

The 66-year-old was admitted to hospital in Rome after falling ill with Covid-19 symptoms.

Cardinal De Donatis, who was reported to be in a good condition, said he felt “calm and confident” in a statement on Monday.

It is not clear if the cardinal has had any contract with Pope Francis recently.

Pope Francis appointed De Donatis to preside over the diocese as the vicar of Rome in 2017.

On Saturday, the pope said neither he nor his closest aides have tested positive for coronavirus.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:19 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:17 pm
Even the Vatican's not immune to this disease.
It's the worst hit state in the world per head of population apparently...

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:55 pm
The 8000 could be so much higher but for people self isolating & with what’s going on, people just simply aren’t going to A&E like their used to through fear of catching something, Unless you are seriously poorly going to the hospital is the last resort
Makes you wonder why they all went to A & E before

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:26 pm
Makes you wonder why they all went to A & E before
That's been a debate for years in that many people who go to A&E often don't need to go there and could easily see their GP instead as this poster campaign emphasized
https://www.door22.co.uk/work/nhs-accid ... -campaign/

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:40 pm

Spijed wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:31 pm
That's been a debate for years in that many people who go to A&E often don't need to go there and could easily see their GP instead as this poster campaign emphasized
https://www.door22.co.uk/work/nhs-accid ... -campaign/
"Easily" see their GP? One of the reasons that people go to A&E is because they can't easily see a GP. You do well to get an appointment in less than 2 weeks. And while many of the cases are emergencies, they are also not two-week delay cases.

Incidentally, number two in the queue has stomach ache and should be seeing his GP, according to the list. Well and good. But I went to A&E with stomach ache, contrary to instructions, and within an hour I was in a hospital bed with a drip in my arm. Who knows where I would have been a fortnight later?
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:45 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:40 pm

But I went to A&E with stomach ache, contrary to instructions, and within an hour I was in a hospital bed with a drip in my arm. Who knows where I would have been a fortnight later?
Indeed! I went there with stomach pains and didn't leave for six weeks! ;)

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:46 pm

A salutary warning to the young people who think they're not susceptible to this virus,i'd think again if i was them.Anyone can be affected no matter their age.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... -21780330

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:50 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:33 pm
Can I just check I've understood you correctly; you think two UTC posters who live in Wuhan are working for the Chinese propaganda machine?
Interesting how you think there are two people who live in Wuhan who are remotely interested in Burnley, let alone sought out this remote site of geeks to post to on.
I have asked both to post any evidence to show they live there.
No surprise neither have.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:51 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm
now you are giving false information. A family member has to give permission to add them to the numbers.

I copied a link earlier that confirmed that.

That’s why the gov made it a notify-able disease. To invoke it.
Can you copy the link again?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:51 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:46 pm
A salutary warning to the young people who think they're not susceptible to this virus,i'd think again if i was them.Anyone can be affected no matter their age.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... -21780330
Even with that young man's advice, I think his suggestion of taking no outside exercise at all will long-term create as many problems as it solves. "Exercise" doesn't just mean keeping an athlete's body in athletic shape; it means keeping a "OK but better not let things slide" body from sliding into a "too late, you've crossed the border into unhealthy" shape.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:26 pm
Makes you wonder why they all went to A & E before
Depending where you are, it’s possible to ring up in the morning & get an emergency appointment now to be seen the same day usually locum GPs, people (some) tend to prefer to see their own doctor, I’ve not seen my own doctor in years, some people self diagnose with net doctor & you can easily research your symptoms & go from there, I’ve done it for years obviously if it’s a prescription drug you’re after you need to, but you can easily get them online now with some checks, you could live all your life & never see a doctor with nous & sprinkling of fortune & be healthy.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:50 pm
Interesting how you think there are two people who live in Wuhan who are remotely interested in Burnley, let alone sought out this remote site of geeks to post to on.
I have asked both to post any evidence to show they live there.
No surprise neither have.
About 1 in 10 people in China take an interest in the Premier League, and that means about a million of them live in Wuhan. Is it such a stretch that two of them follow Burnley and have managed to find the most comprehensive and largest Burnley website going? :roll:

Asking people for proof of address on a message board is never going to achieve anything. You'd have to be pretty unsavvy to fall for it. Tip - if someone you don't know asks for your address on a public forum - don't give it.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by ClaretAndJew » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:18 am

Boris Johnson given the all clear after 3 days.

So basically, he's a massive lying tosser.

Who'd have thought?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:26 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:18 am
Boris Johnson given the all clear after 3 days.

So basically, he's a massive lying tosser.

Who'd have thought?
Your link doesn't work - in fact, you forgot to include it - and typing "Boris Johnson all clear" into google doesn't bring anything.

But I presume what you are saying is that anyone who publishes something incorrect about Johnson's coronavirus is a massive, lying tosser? Well, you know your own self best. We'll see if you're right.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:36 am

At what point does self-isolating become "hiding"?
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Re: Covid-19

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:58 am

dsr wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:26 am
Your link doesn't work - in fact, you forgot to include it - and typing "Boris Johnson all clear" into google doesn't bring anything.

But I presume what you are saying is that anyone who publishes something incorrect about Johnson's coronavirus is a massive, lying tosser? Well, you know your own self best. We'll see if you're right.
There was an article in the Sun about BJ’s fiancee moving back in once he has the all clear.

I think lots of people on Twitter have decided to then completely miss the point of the article. That’s where this stemmed from.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:02 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:18 am
Boris Johnson given the all clear after 3 days.

So basically, he's a massive lying tosser.

Who'd have thought?
Fake news.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:34 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm
now you are giving false information. A family member has to give permission to add them to the numbers.

I copied a link earlier that confirmed that.

That’s why the gov made it a notify-able disease. To invoke it.
That you can't provide a link showing that "a family member has to give permission to add" deaths to the numbers is just the usual from you. It's just something you made up. Or misunderstood.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:37 am

taio wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:02 am
Fake news.
It's most of what this thread consists of. Fake news (early on both under- and over-playing it), made up stats, batshit crazy conspiracy theories, garbled data made to look like something else, party political point scoring when a single piece of data on one day gives you the chance to do so...
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Quicknick » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:25 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:37 am
It's most of what this thread consists of. Fake news (early on both under- and over-playing it), made up stats, batshit crazy conspiracy theories, garbled data made to look like something else, party political point scoring when a single piece of data on one day gives you the chance to do so...
Especially the conspiracy theories.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Inchy » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:30 am

Regarding testing, in hospital we are not finding testing reliable in many cases.


Many patients are negative on their swab result, however there is no reason for a fit and healthy 20-40 year old to develop bilateral pneumonia and severe consolidation. So they are swabbed again and come back as positive.

If the clinical picture suggests covid 19 that’s what we treat them for, regardless of test result.

I’ve heard the test is only 75% accurate at best. If you don’t swab far enough back in the throat it’s even less than that.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:31 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:50 pm
Interesting how you think there are two people who live in Wuhan who are remotely interested in Burnley, let alone sought out this remote site of geeks to post to on.
I have asked both to post any evidence to show they live there.
No surprise neither have.
Some days you just wonder, what the xxxx. You could always check when they registered on the site. Perhaps they knew this was coming 5 years ago and registered just so that they could post propaganda on this little message board.

Do you believe we have a poster who works for the NHS on the front line in Leeds, and posts updates on here, or is he making it all up as well.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by JohnMac » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:59 am

JarrowClaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:55 pm
Hi John

I’m really sorry to read this I avoid the site at the moment as much as possible as the childish bickering really annoys me so only saw this today. I seem to remember you saying you were a Gunner and I assume your Mate was as was I he’s in the Bty Bar in the Sky god bless and stay safe.

Sad times!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:04 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:29 pm

We have two posters who claim to live in Wuhan and saying it’s all getting back to normal. Personally I think that’s as likely as them living on the moon, but they post on here and say they live there. China have a massive propaganda machine I think they work for.

You have a history of posting nonsense but this tops the lot. You need to take a break from all this. You are really suggesting we have posters on here making up where they live ? Do you believe the posters who claim they live in America on here ? You are losing the plot seriously

If the daily death figure is low (and doesn't suit your narrative) you claim they are lying, if it is high you pat yourself on the back and say "I told you so"
You went full on conspiracy when they announced the daily figure later than they had done previously then said nothing when you had things explained to you following a low figure announcement. You have spent this whole thread using a weird statistics formula that is bonkers but continue to persist then again you spent the whole election campaign telling us the data you had gathered showed how well the Brexit party were doing all over the country then they got slapped everywhere and again you went quiet. Not once have talked about the people who have recovered in this country why is this ?

If things really are as you claim then you sending your Mrs shopping while you sat safely indoors must make you question your own decency. Take a break from this, stop watching it 24 hours a day and most importantly stop making things up. There are some people in the community who could read your posts and due to their own state of mind you could be making them a lot worse. Grow up.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:21 am

taio wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:02 am
Fake news.
Johnson being a massive lying tosser is hardly fake news

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:11 am

If someone has had the virus and is immune can they still pass it on by touch.

I mean by touching a surface which is infected and then touching another person or say another persons door handle

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:12 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:11 am
If someone has had the virus and is immune can they still pass it on by touch.

I mean by touching a surface which is infected and then touching another person or say another persons door handle
Yes , so it makes a nonsense of herd immunity

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:28 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:12 am
Yes , so it makes a nonsense of herd immunity
So we really are fcuked !!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by joey13 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:30 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:28 am
So we really are fcuked !!!
If you get it , hopefully you only get a mild version, or a vaccine is produced quickly
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 am

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:50 pm
Interesting how you think there are two people who live in Wuhan who are remotely interested in Burnley, let alone sought out this remote site of geeks to post to on.
I have asked both to post any evidence to show they live there.
No surprise neither have.
I don’t know about the other poster but MAP has posted for years on the old Clarets Mad board.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:09 am

Here is an interesting write up on Herd Immunity.

Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-i ... 9-pandemic

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:26 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:09 am
Here is an interesting write up on Herd Immunity.

Here's Why Herd Immunity Won't Save Us From The COVID-19 Pandemic
https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-i ... 9-pandemic
Yes. Interesting although not saying anything that hasn't been said before - even on here.

However, I'd take issue with him in his summary in a non-scientific judgement call that actually underpins his whole answer.

"the best estimates put COVID-19 infection fatality rate at around 0.5-1 percent."

Yes. That's the best science we have.

"If 70 percent of an entire population gets sick, that means that between 0.35-0.7 percent of everyone in a country could die,"

The maths is sound although he hasn't really fully explored the "let young people get it until it's run its course..." hypothesis. That would give you 70% with a much lower percentage fatality rate. But still, let that slide.

"...which is a catastrophic outcome."

So you say. This is a judgement call. Not a fact.

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Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:27 am

joey13 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:12 am
Yes , so it makes a nonsense of herd immunity
I don't think you understand what herd immunity means. The article linked a couple of posts above will give you an idea.
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Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:31 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:11 am
If someone has had the virus and is immune can they still pass it on by touch.

I mean by touching a surface which is infected and then touching another person or say another persons door handle
These modes of transmission are not how this is spreading and people are most infective when they are sickest. People who've had it touching door handles is not an issue.

Stop looking for things to panic about.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:38 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:26 am
"If 70 percent of an entire population gets sick, that means that between 0.35-0.7 percent of everyone in a country could die,"
Also, 0.7% of the entire population dies every year.

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Post by Spijed » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:43 am

paulatky wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:28 am
So we really are fcuked !!!
How many people do you really think are going to die from this in the UK, for example?

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Post by Mala591 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:45 am

Planning for relaxing the lockdown:

Exercise three times a day
Pubs open but for limited numbers inside/outside
Golf allowed but only in groups of 2
More semi-essential shops allowed to open
Allowed to drive up to 10 miles for exercise
Return to work BUT flexitime working encouraged to minimise rush hour congestion

Any other ideas?

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Post by thatdberight » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:45 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:38 am
Also, 0.7% of the entire population dies every year.
I believe some of the response to this is because we have a large part of the population who really thought eventual demise didn't apply to them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 am

Mala591 wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:45 am
Planning for relaxing the lockdown:

Exercise three times a day
Pubs open but for limited numbers inside/outside
Golf allowed but only in groups of 2
More semi-essential shops allowed to open
Allowed to drive up to 10 miles for exercise
Return to work BUT flexitime working encouraged to minimise rush hour congestion

Any other ideas?
Re-open nurseries. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase!
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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:09 am

thatdberight wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:45 am
I believe some of the response to this is because we have a large part of the population who really thought eventual demise didn't apply to them.
It's certainly forced some people to face up to their own mortality. Hide in your home forever if you like, you're still going to die.

I'm 100% behind the effort to stop us overwhelming the NHS next month and I'm happily doing my bit but the idea you should never be ill, or that you know.. you'll die at some point anyway is getting a bit too much.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:25 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:54 am
Re-open nurseries. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase!
If you cant do the time..dont do the crime!!

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