Covid-19

[TheFamilyCat]

If you cant do the time..dont do the crime!!

I'd be ok if we weren't both trying to work from home. Fair to say productivity isn't great!

[Jakubclaret]

I'd be ok if we weren't both trying to work from home. Fair to say productivity isn't great!

That productivity could change with less obsessions about people travelling to hardware stores on 1 off visits stocking up on essential items needed

[tim_noone]

Let it go jakub

[Jakubclaret]

Let it go jakub

I'm trying to the maggots been dangled at least 3 times prior to your above post, I should use the foe option that's what it's there for I guess, I'll use that less aggro.

[TheFamilyCat]

I'm trying to the maggots been dangled at least 3 times prior to your above post, I should use the foe option that's what it's there for I guess, I'll use that less aggro.

Your stupidity and hypocrisy needs highlighting on a regular basis. And we all need a laugh to get us through this **** and watching you try to defend yourself is pretty funny.

[thatdberight]

Further UK statistics being released. Obviously releasing statistical information into the public domain to keep conspiracy nuts happy has had to take something of a back seat in the hurry but nothing restated that suggests any material misstatement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52101615 (time stamp 1156)

[Lowbankclaret]

Just finished my early shift (8-4) at the covid production line. Was an overtime needed due to sickness


Things continue to ramp up. We are now using non-ICU areas to care for ICU patients. Beds are not an issue yet but it probably will be.

More and more young people being admitted. The elderly or those with significant co-morbidities are being considered for ICU. The home teams along with ICU are making decisions on the appropriateness of admissions. This is nothing new and always happens when considering escalation above ward level care.


I was hoping McLaren F1 were going to create a new amazing ventilator, and watching the news that’s what someone whose doesn’t work in ICU might think. But it seems they have dusted off an old wispy flow system and given it an upgrade. They do work but waste a lot of 02. Something which may be an issue. Still they have done that in a hand Full of days so there is hope for more.

The public have been fantastic. Every day we are receiving gifts from businesses. Hand cream, food, coffee etc. Feels a bit early for all the love. It’s busy but it’s been busier. I hope the love hasn’t peaked too soon. I also hope the elderly wards, nursing homes, and other usual forgotten areas are getting gifts as boosts. As hard and stressful as it is in ICU it doesn’t compare to a day on a dementia ward.

We keep getting told we are 2/3 weeks away from the peak, yet Italy and Spain are not at their peak yet. Some of the consultants are predicting May will be the peak, but no one really knows.

Mentally it’s hard. I am seeing patients I don’t usually see. Fit people. People with only type 1 resp failure (low 02). Patients look very well until you do a proper assessment and arterial blood gas and discover they are profoundly hypoxic. This is confusing for all of us. Most people who normally require ICU look like they are on deaths door. Many of the covid patients look well but are not. The usual end of bed assessment (if they look unwell they are probably very unwell) doesn’t apply.


It’s weird that although it’s busy it isn’t as busy as the media might suggest (I don’t work in London). I sometimes have the thought that maybe it won’t get that bad. But then I realise that isn’t a helpful attitude. Prepare for the worst and hope for the best. They are not building hospitals in conference centres for no reason.


Back on nights this week for the first time since this saga started. Could get interesting

I have two friends who own 3 D printers asking if these are of any use to you guys. They could be printing some if they are of use.

https://blog.prusaprinters.org/from-des ... hree-days/

[paulatky]

Does anyone know the rules for pregnant women working within the health service. From 28 weeks have they the right to insist they work from home

[joey13]

I don't think you understand what herd immunity means. The article linked a couple of posts above will give you an idea.

I understand it as much as Cummings and Johnson

[joey13]

I don't think you understand what herd immunity means. The article linked a couple of posts above will give you an idea.

Oh and by the way that article is nonsense, comparing mumps to Covid-19 try thinking for yourself for a change

[thatdberight]

Oh and by the way that article is nonsense, comparing mumps to Covid-19 try thinking for yourself for a change

Yeah. He compares it and points out the difference. In the same way I might compare you to someone who's got something useful to contribute.

[thatdberight]

The guy who wrote the piece which Joey, 13, is disparaging is doing a Doctorate in epidemiology and previously wrote pieces like this about herd immunity.
https://www.achsm.org.au/education/heal ... -australia

I look forward to seeing Joey's credentials.

[tim_noone]

Yeah. He compares it and points out the difference. In the same way I might compare you to someone who's got something useful to contribute.

That wont be me then

[thatdberight]

That wont be me then

Nor me, apart from passing on the work of people who look a damned sight more knowledgeable than me.

[tiger76]

Further UK statistics being released. Obviously releasing statistical information into the public domain to keep conspiracy nuts happy has had to take something of a back seat in the hurry but nothing restated that suggests any material misstatement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52101615 (time stamp 1156)

Yes they said they'd release more detailed stats today,a couple of lines caught my eye.

What’s different about the data is it looks at community deaths – people who died at home or in residential care whom doctors recorded on the death certificate as probably having Covid-19. There were 103 of these – 1% of all deaths.

So the 1% figure which most people have forecast as a rough estimate of the likely death toll from covid-19,however it might not even be that high as there's another titbit in the report.

In comparison, there are not enough tests to check how many people in the community are infected or how many deaths are linked to Covid-19.

The number of infections is certainly much higher than the official number of 22,000,indeed in Scotland alone the CMO estimated a couple of days ago the total of 65,000,and that's possibly an underestimate.

Clearly if you're only measuring the fatality rate by the hospitalised patients,then naturally it'll be much higher,as those patients are more seriously impacted by the illness,and obviously much more likely to sadly succumb to their symptoms.

Hopefully this puts the situation into perspective,yes of course we need to take this threat seriously,and follow the instructions,that should be plain,but these numbers should reassure some of the panic brigade,that's it's not the end of the world after all.

[Lowbankclaret]

Anyone wishing to follow how New York is doing . Gov Cuomo will be on Sky and CNN soon.

Interesting delivery when compared to everyone else.

[Dy1geo]

Sadiq Khan has written to London Premier League clubs asking that they allow the team doctors and others medical staff to help the NHS out. If it gets as bad up here and Burnley are asked I would like to think the club would allow our medical staff to help in the effort.

[JarrowClaret]

My son just gone for an operation in the RVI hospital in Newcastle scarily the surgeon has told the nurse to throw her clothes away afterwards and he is burning his. Within 4 weeks the Hospital will be shut and only open for covid. We aren’t hit hugely bad in the North East yet well not in the released data we aren’t but they reckon the Hospital is already filling up with them and obviously it is going to get worse. Get him get him home and sanitise everything I think is the order of the day.

[TheFamilyCat]

Sadiq Khan has written to London Premier League clubs asking that they allow the team doctors and others medical staff to help the NHS out. If it gets as bad up here and Burnley are asked I would like to think the club would allow our medical staff to help in the effort.

They'll probably ask the government to cover their wages.

[TheFamilyCat]

The guy who wrote the piece which Joey, 13, is disparaging is doing a Doctorate in epidemiology and previously wrote pieces like this about herd immunity.
https://www.achsm.org.au/education/heal ... -australia

I look forward to seeing Joey's credentials.

He knows a lot about Huddersfield Town if that helps?

[CombatClaret]

The Government press conferences (at least from the ministers) have become about name dropping and bombarding with info (Maclaren, Lynx helicopters blah blah) whilst not actually saying anything.

The real question is why we are not testing at nearly the levels we should be, why why there are 44 molecular virology labs in the UK sitting idle but could have seen us at the level of testing Germany has had for weeks. Why they either were too incompetent or lied about getting in on the EU ventilator scheme.
Why we have been one of the last European nations to adopt every single kind of social distancing/lock down procedures.

[Bordeauxclaret]

The Government press conferences (at least from the ministers) have become about name dropping and bombarding with info (Maclaren, Lynx helicopters blah blah) whilst not actually saying anything.

The real question is why we are not testing at nearly the levels we should be, why why there are 44 molecular virology labs in the UK sitting idle but could have seen us at the level of testing Germany has had for weeks. Why they either were too incompetent or lied about getting in on the EU ventilator scheme.
Why we have been one of the last European nations to adopt every single kind of social distancing/lock down procedures.

It’s refreshing to see the two people who are either side each day actually answer the questions in a clear and concise manner.
Such a contrast.

[CombatClaret]

The seconds press conference Gove has said 'It's not a fixed date like Easter'

You know that holiday which falls on different dates each year

[Grumps]

The seconds press conference Gove has said 'It's not a fixed date like Easter'

You know that holiday which falls on different dates each year

I don't think he means it as you're portraying, he clearly means Easter, this year, as in its not going to peak at a fixed time, be it Easter, a week later, or next Sunday.

[thatdberight]

I don't think he means it as you're portraying, he clearly means Easter, this year, as in its not going to peak at a fixed time, be it Easter, a week later, or next Sunday.

It was a party political point. As always.

[FactualFrank]

I had a call from my consultant earlier this afternoon and I'm going back onto Hydroxychloroquine. Hope it also helps if I do end up with this.

[roob80]

Be careful with HCQ Frank it has massive retinal degenerative issues (its used as an arthritic revealing drug). Yes people will say it can help but the safest way is to stay safe and follow government guidelines.

[CombatClaret]

In press conference today when was asked about low number of tests being done Gove said there was now a shortage of chemicals needed to make new testing kits.

Peston:
"I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with Gove's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped.
The Association also points out there was an industry chat with a business minister today, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid19 testing kits.
So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened."

This from Gove who said we'd hit the 10k per day testing target at the weekend but turned out to be a lie.
Government is doing everything it can to not look like it's completely dropped the ball on this one while other countries successfully reduce the impact of the virus through wide scale testing.

[Lowbankclaret]

The more this goes on, the more I think the Government handling is at best poor and at worse negligent.

We are running out of ICU drugs.

We are running out of PPE.

Next week there will be a shortage of respirators and beds.

I worry next week will be an oh **** moment.

[tiger76]

Anyone wishing to follow how New York is doing . Gov Cuomo will be on Sky and CNN soon.

Interesting delivery when compared to everyone else.

For anyone that missed it this is a brief summary,things aren't getting better other there,that's for sure,the Big Apple is the world's epicentre of this outbreak,and the peak isn't happening anytime soon.

NY Governor: 'We underestimated this virus'
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has called again for more supplies, a better national strategy to fight Covid-19 and for residents to stay at home.

"We underestimated this virus. It's more powerful, it's more dangerous than we expected," he emphasised.

The state, which remains the epicentre of the outbreak in the US, desperately needs more equipment and staff.

Cuomo called for a nationwide strategy where states helped mitigate the peak of the crisis together.

"Come help us in New York, get the equipment, get the training, get the experience, and then let's all go help the next place," Cuomo said.

"That would be a smart national way of doing this and showing that unity."

He criticised the "inefficient" US process for ordering ventilators, describing it as "being on eBay with 50 other states bidding on a ventilator". He added once the federal government got involved and was bidding, prices continued to go up.

The governor also addressed his brother CNN anchor Chris Cuomo's Covid-19 diagnosis.

"He’s a really sweet, beautiful guy, and he’s my best friend," Cuomo said.

"There’s a lesson in this. He’s an essential worker...so he’s been out there. If you go out there, the chance that you get infected is very high."

Other key updates:

New York has now reached 1,550 deaths from 1,218 yesterday
Experts are predicting the peak will be in the next 14 to 30 days
The state has 75,000 hospital beds in total as hospitals have added to their capacity, but there is an anticipated maximum need of 140,000 at the apex
The state could need anywhere from 20,000 to 40,000 ventilators depending on the severity of the apex; despite ordering 17,000 from China, Cuomo is expecting 2,500 to arrive due to high global demand
Cuomo claims the state is leading the nation in developing new medications and therapies
New York is also working on a new diagnostic test

[FactualFrank]

Be careful with HCQ Frank it has massive retinal degenerative issues (its used as an arthritic revealing drug). Yes people will say it can help but the safest way is to stay safe and follow government guidelines.

I know Roob, been on it before. Hence the 'going back onto'

I'm not taking it for Covid 19.

[Lowbankclaret]

Thanks Tiger.

Good summary.

Coming to a town near you soon.

[Spijed]

In press conference today when was asked about low number of tests being done Gove said there was now a shortage of chemicals needed to make new testing kits.

Peston:
"I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with Gove's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped.
The Association also points out there was an industry chat with a business minister today, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid19 testing kits.
So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened."

This from Gove who said we'd hit the 10k per day testing target at the weekend but turned out to be a lie.
Government is doing everything it can to not look like it's completely dropped the ball on this one while other countries successfully reduce the impact of the virus through wide scale testing.

Reading various reports it's clearly obvious there is absolutely no shortage of the chemicals needed and it's just a bare faced lie on the part of Gove. Apparently, there is nothing whatsoever stopping us producing more kits, but for some reason we refuse to do so in the same numbers that Germany are doing.

[tiger76]

Thanks Tiger.

Good summary.

Coming to a town near you soon.

Hope not,but it makes sense for all governments to prepare for the worst and hope for the best,sadly for NY they're badly prepared,and their getting hit really badly,that's what you call a double whammy.Belatedly the White House have woken up to the gravity of this situation,but i fear they've missed the boat alas.

[Lowbankclaret]

Hope not,but it makes sense for all governments to prepare for the worst and hope for the best,sadly for NY they're badly prepared,and their getting hit really badly,that's what you call a double whammy.Belatedly the White House have woken up to the gravity of this situation,but i fear they've missed the boat alas.

Yes but at least they have a plan. They have shared the model and the plan.

Our lot appear to be bumbling along without a plan.

Even when they claim they have one and promise something they miss the milestones.

[thatdberight]

The shocking thing about Michael Gove's lies is that they're so persuasive that they fooled an American science journal, writing about the situation in the US, to repeat them. Even before Gove said them! I sense witchcraft!
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus ... lable.html
"Getting tested for coronavirus in the U.S. has been difficult...with shortages in swabs, reagents and other parts of test kits."

[Lowbankclaret]

I have mentioned the Government is .


BEING ECONOMICAL WITH THE TRUTH.

[FactualFrank]

13 year old dies in London. Bloody hell.

[thatdberight]

In press conference today when was asked about low number of tests being done Gove said there was now a shortage of chemicals needed to make new testing kits.

Peston:
"I've just talked to the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry. It has contacted its members, and they've said there is no shortage of the relevant reagents. So the Association has now been in touch with Gove's office to find out what he means, because it is stumped.
The Association also points out there was an industry chat with a business minister today, who made no attempt to find out if there was a supply problem for the vital ingredients of Covid19 testing kits.
So this question of why there aren't enough tests for the virus is an even bigger mystery. Also, if it turns out there is a shortage these manufacturers are more than happy to increase their production. But they need to be asked, which has not happened."

This from Gove who said we'd hit the 10k per day testing target at the weekend but turned out to be a lie.
Government is doing everything it can to not look like it's completely dropped the ball on this one while other countries successfully reduce the impact of the virus through wide scale testing.

Still posting according to your political choices and willing to swallow any old guff that you're told?

"So government source says - which is true - that there is a global shortage of the reagent. As it happens @CMO_England
said this a couple of weeks ago, as has head of CDC in US..."

[thatdberight]

Reading various reports it's clearly obvious there is absolutely no shortage of the chemicals needed and it's just a bare faced lie on the part of Gove. Apparently, there is nothing whatsoever stopping us producing more kits, but for some reason we refuse to do so in the same numbers that Germany are doing.

Believing it because you want to much?

"So government source says - which is true - that there is a global shortage of the reagent. As it happens @CMO_England
said this a couple of weeks ago, as has head of CDC in US..."

[tiger76]

13 year old dies in London. Bloody hell.

That's shocking but a 12 year old died in Belgium,a 14 year old in Portugal,and a 16 year old in France,and to my knowledge they weren't suffering from any underlying health conditions,now these are isolated cases,but they do highlight that youth alone doesn't automatically mean you're safe from harm.

Hopefully this tragedy will reinforce the message to stay at home,as Jenny Harries outlined this afternoon.

Stay home no matter what your age - Harries
Answering a question about younger people dying from the virus, deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries says younger people must also adhere to the social distancing measures.

While younger people are in general not having significant, severe cases of coronavirus, "young people can still be affected", she stresses, adding that "it is actually the case with flu, for example, although we don't perhaps communicate that frequently".

She adds: "When you're younger you tend not to think of death [or] dying, it's not something that is part of your usual consideration... it is quite easy to think of yourself as not part of the risk.

"No matter what age you are, you should be staying at home."

[Lowbankclaret]

13 year old dies in London. Bloody hell.

That is really sad.

RIP little one.

[Lowbankclaret]

Believing it because you want to much?

"So government source says - which is true - that there is a global shortage of the reagent. As it happens @CMO_England
said this a couple of weeks ago, as has head of CDC in US..."

Whereas you believe everything your told, blindly.

[thatdberight]

Whereas you believe everything your told, blindly.

you're*

[Bfcboyo]

Keep looking at the statistics and I start to believe the conspiracy theories that either the Chinese started this or are completely out with the numbers. It went unchecked in China for a longer period than any other country , so how on earth did they stop it in its tracks at 80k cases.

[Paul Waine]

Keep looking at the statistics and I start to believe the conspiracy theories that either the Chinese started this or are completely out with the numbers. It went unchecked in China for a longer period than any other country , so how on earth did they stop it in its tracks at 80k cases.

I believe the issue is that China doesn't have any numbers higher than 80,000....

I'm sure that must be right. Anyone know differently?

[Jakubclaret]

From day 1 the Chinese haven’t told us the truth & still refuse to be honest with us.

[CombatClaret]

Reading various reports it's clearly obvious there is absolutely no shortage of the chemicals needed and it's just a bare faced lie on the part of Gove. Apparently, there is nothing whatsoever stopping us producing more kits, but for some reason we refuse to do so in the same numbers that Germany are doing.

The less testing we do the more we can look like we've got it under control, except when it comes to deaths of course.

[Paul Waine]

The less testing we do the more we can look like we've got it under control, except when it comes to deaths of course.

Combat, CT has asked that we don't post any April fools with respect to covid-19.

[CombatClaret]

Keep looking at the statistics and I start to believe the conspiracy theories that either the Chinese started this or are completely out with the numbers. It went unchecked in China for a longer period than any other country , so how on earth did they stop it in its tracks at 80k cases.

While I don't believe their final numbers they are perhaps the best country in terms of the ability to stop it in it's tracks with a totalitarian centralized government.
They can lock down entire cities, build hospitals in a week, track everyone at all times, retool entire production lines, mobilize millions of medics.
And the public is so used to this they neither complain and happily submit to the invasions of privacy and curtailment of freedoms.

So I'm not really surprised they were able to halt it, they smothered it very effectively at the price of freedom.