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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:39 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:33 am
Care to explain?
Rather than add to the near hysterical noise coming from the "never gonna be good enough" mob. Who refuse to accept we are in the eye of the storm right now. And no amount of finger pointing and sniping for partisan political point scoring , makes a blind bit of difference in the Real World. So I'll let time pass to a calmer time in the future when public health England's role will be scrutinised to ascertain whether they were upto the job.

Till then, stay safe.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:40 pm

That'll be a "I can't." then.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:43 pm

AndrewJB wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:02 pm
That happens all the time - especially on the other side of the political divide. Still haven’t found any articles, but willing to wait and look later.
Andrew, you may have more success in finding out that what Peston claimed was garbage, if you didn't just limit your search to the pages of The Guardian.

Just saying like......

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:43 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:40 pm
That'll be a "I can't." then.
No.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:45 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:39 pm
Rather than add to the near hysterical noise coming from the "never gonna be good enough" mob. Who refuse to accept we are in the eye of the storm right now. And no amount of finger pointing and sniping for partisan political point scoring , makes a blind bit of difference in the Real World. So I'll let time pass to a calmer time in the future when public health England's role will be scrutinised to ascertain whether they were upto the job.

Till then, stay safe.
So you were cryptically criticising one body but aren't will to say why. Is that it?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by atlantalad » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:50 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:35 pm
Yes probably - especially as that peak is currently predicted to be on the 12th April.

You can’t reverse 10 years of cutbacks in 2 or 3 weeks.
Remember Germanys starting position was 30,000 ventilators before the crisis - ours was 6,000.
Germany having 30,000 ventilators - do you have the source? From the numbers infected in Germany it looks like they will have some spare capacity. Curiously number also matches that deemed necessary in the UK.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:53 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:39 pm
So I'll let time pass to a calmer time in the future when public health England's role will be scrutinised to ascertain whether they were upto the job.

Till then, stay safe.
And I'm accused of "ruining threads by constantly repeating the stuff!"

Keep asking the same questions you'll get the same answer.

Accept my answer please.

Take it easy, follow the government advice and stay safe.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:53 pm
And I'm accused of "ruining threads by constantly repeating the stuff!"

Keep asking the same questions you'll get the same answer.

Accept my answer please.

Take it easy, follow the government advice and stay safe.
Why did you feel the need to post it then? It doesn't seem like it was to add to any debate.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:58 pm

atlantalad wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:50 pm
Germany having 30,000 ventilators - do you have the source? From the numbers infected in Germany it looks like they will have some spare capacity. Curiously number also matches that deemed necessary in the UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ilators-23

This has Germany at 25,000 sourcing from a 3 week old NYT article and us at just over 8,000

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:07 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:57 pm
Why did you feel the need to post it then? It doesn't seem like it was to add to any debate.
To wind you up.
He’ll choose to ruin the threads when he wants...by posting daft irrelevant opinion polls and using that as some kind of evidence that things are as good as they can be.
Ignore the disingenuous “stay safe” crap like he’s had some kind of epiphany.
Let’s enjoy his lack of posting whilst it lasts.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by LoveCurryPies » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:10 pm

568 dead today :(

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:11 pm

I never could get my head around bullies...even less so around a baying mob.....so to speak.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:11 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:39 pm
Rather than add to the near hysterical noise coming from the "never gonna be good enough" mob. Who refuse to accept we are in the eye of the storm right now.
We weren't in the eye of the storm when we knew the storm was coming!
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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:29 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:11 pm
We weren't in the eye of the storm when we knew the storm was coming!

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Just a quick reminder-

The government does not have access to a lever , over which , a sign saying-

" FOR PERFECTION, IN CASE OF UNPRECEDENTED PANDEMIC, PULL HERE "

As it does not exist. Repeat, it does not exist.

Thanks very much , as you were.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:31 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:32 pm
I’d imagine the approx 550k annual deaths we have in normal circs won’t change that much due to many dying of Covid who would have died anyway in that period . Not that that justifies anything but 45k ish deaths a month is quite a figure
Sadly, many of those with terminal illnesses would have died in the near future and you'd hope everything isn't simply attributed to the corona virus as it'll just distort the annual figures, when in many cases the underlying health issue would have led to their death anyway.

It's important going forward to look at other causes otherwise detection rates for other illness may take a backward step.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... WuAjH7-Upk
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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:32 pm

Something about protesting too much?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:35 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:29 pm
Just a quick reminder-
The government does not have access to a lever , over which , a sign saying-
" FOR PERFECTION, IN CASE OF UNPRECEDENTED PANDEMIC, PULL HERE "
As it does not exist. Repeat, it does not exist.
Thanks very much , as you were.
Perfection, I'd settle for adequate.

South Korea had a pretty good level though, as did Germany. Not perfection but at least " FOR GOOD, ORGANISED, PLANNED RESPONSE, IN CASE OF UNPRECEDENTED PANDEMIC, PULL HERE "

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Re: Covid-19

Post by NottsClaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:41 pm

There'll be a huge overlap in people who die from Covid19 over this next month and those who would have died at some stage this year. So the 500k figure won't be changed much at the end of 2020, even if the 500-1,000 numbers reported daily are shocking for the next couple of weeks.

Let's remember the 'stay safe, stay indoors' lockdown idea is about protecting the NHS from the surge. Most of us are still going to get the virus before we ever get to the mass vaccination stage, we seem to be losing track of that. Getting the virus when the NHS has capacity and you're fit and well isn't something to live in fear of.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:47 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:07 pm
To wind you up.
He’ll choose to ruin the threads when he wants...by posting daft irrelevant opinion polls and using that as some kind of evidence that things are as good as they can be.
Ignore the disingenuous “stay safe” crap like he’s had some kind of epiphany.
Let’s enjoy his lack of posting whilst it lasts.
I'm not trying to wind anybody up. Your claim I am, perhaps , says more about your inability to accept there are people with a different world view to the one you. They, I, they have as much right to express their opinion on a public forum as your good self.

The opinion polls I have posted are, in my opinion, entirely relevant as they are a snap shot of what the people, out there , are thinking about the government's handling of this unprecedented horrendous crisis. To describe them as "daft" is somewhat unfair. I'm not using them as "evidence" of anything. Perhaps, it's just further evidence that you're unable to accept that your viewpoint is in the minority, and maybe, dont like to be reminded of it.

As I've said to you previously. The current situation means we're all feeling anxious, some more than others. This should be a forum where , if people feel they need to reach out to others, or simply express their opinion. They should be able to do so freely, without fear of being shouted down, or their posts being called "daft" and "irrelevant" . Moreover, despite you feeling I'm being "disingenuous" when I say it. I'll still empathise with all those of us who are struggling in these testing times.

Stay safe, one and all

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:48 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:45 am
All bickering and w@nkeridge pointless point scoring aside we've just lost a close family friend this evening due to the COVID19 virus.

It's on your local doorstep believe me!

Admitted around 8pm this evening and dead before 10:15

Now get that through your thick fu**ing heads
Sorry to hear (and I agree with your last line - the thread is 90% patheticness).

Can I ask, how old were they and were they in good health?
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Re: Covid-19

Post by atlantalad » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:51 pm

Thanks for the link Combatclaret. Some very interesting reading when you go through some of the references. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21 ... or-problem

Just doing some simple sums. UK currently has 8175 ventilators and total of 114,000 hospital beds. If, in worse case, assume every bed was occupied by COV-19 patients then 1 ventilator per ~ 14 patients.

I cannot see 114000 patients ( ~0.2 % UK population) all having COV-19 being in hospital at the same time and all requiring a ventilator.
So many questions:
  • what number of COV-19 patients can the hospitals handle at the same time - need to see the UK Govt+ medical advisers numbers for this.
  • what is the Govt projected maximum of COV-19 admissions when social isolation dampens the peak of the curve
  • what % of COV-19 admissions need ventilators

Still trying to understand where the 30,000 needed comes from since if the number is real it means 1 in 4 patients need ventilation when the NHS is at absolute full tilt with COV-19 patients.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:51 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:41 pm
There'll be a huge overlap in people who die from Covid19 over this next month and those who would have died at some stage this year. So the 500k figure won't be changed much at the end of 2020, even if the 500-1,000 numbers reported daily are shocking for the next couple of weeks.

Let's remember the 'stay safe, stay indoors' lockdown idea is about protecting the NHS from the surge. Most of us are still going to get the virus before we ever get to the mass vaccination stage, we seem to be losing track of that. Getting the virus when the NHS has capacity and you're fit and well isn't something to live in fear of.
I agree with most of that, I wouldn’t necessarily say most of us are going to get it though it depends, I don’t think I’ll be getting it, some people like me even when the lockdown gets lifted we’ll be super alert with still maintaining distances & washing hands regular & sanitising everything, some people will drops there guard or have no choice due to exposure, some people will never ever experience it there’s no need to for some people.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:52 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:35 pm
All you've done is add unfounded conjecture and speculation to someone in a specialist industry who's gone on record with the FT.
No. All I've done is read the quotes and tried to make sense of them.

His company does not produce ventilators. Even the articles refer to them as makers of parts.
He said "they could have probably had..."
He didn't mention delivering them. You made that up.

Those are the facts.

Has he got concerns? Yes. Are they valid? Certainly to him and he's in that industry so he's worth listening to. Did he say what you claimed? No.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:54 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:29 pm
Just a quick reminder-

The government does not have access to a lever , over which , a sign saying-

" FOR PERFECTION, IN CASE OF UNPRECEDENTED PANDEMIC, PULL HERE "

As it does not exist. Repeat, it does not exist.

Thanks very much , as you were.
Unfortunately it doesn’t look like we had anything labelled ‘in case of pandemic’, even as recent as a few weeks after it had started in China.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:59 pm

atlantalad wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:51 pm
Thanks for the link Combatclaret. Some very interesting reading when you go through some of the references. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21 ... or-problem

Just doing some simple sums. UK currently has 8175 ventilators and total of 114,000 hospital beds. If, in worse case, assume every bed was occupied by COV-19 patients then 1 ventilator per ~ 14 patients.

I cannot see 114000 patients ( ~0.2 % UK population) all having COV-19 being in hospital at the same time and all requiring a ventilator.
So many questions:
  • what number of COV-19 patients can the hospitals handle at the same time - need to see the UK Govt+ medical advisers numbers for this.
  • what is the Govt projected maximum of COV-19 admissions when social isolation dampens the peak of the curve
  • what % of COV-19 admissions need ventilators

Still trying to understand where the 30,000 needed comes from since if the number is real it means 1 in 4 patients need ventilation when the NHS is at absolute full tilt with COV-19 patients.
But surely only the ones that need some assistance breathing will end up in hospital anyway. The rest will isolate and recover at home. So the requirement is likely to be one ventilator per hospitalised patient.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Damo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:09 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm
We can't force them now, but if we'd have gotten our order in first they'd be obliged, as pointed out free market.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/cor ... -in-france

This link was posted a couple of pages back by thatdberight

You keep ignoring evidence that you are posting nonsense though, just to try and score some cheap political points

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:11 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:52 pm
No. All I've done is read the quotes and tried to make sense of them.

His company does not produce ventilators. Even the articles refer to them as makers of parts.
He said "they could have probably had..."
He didn't mention delivering them. You made that up.

Those are the facts.

Has he got concerns? Yes. Are they valid? Certainly to him and he's in that industry so he's worth listening to. Did he say what you claimed? No.
Ok but in the same way you also diverted from the facts too, speculating he only had missing parts for existing ventilators. Does it not stand to reason someone who runs a company which makes ventilator parts could if needed use his contacts to order all the required parts for a complete ventilator, You don't know what percentage of the parts he makes.

"They could have had probably 500 ventilators if they got back to me straight away" - Does that not imply delivery of a product?

What I object to is you doubting the ability of a ventilator specialist to do the thing he went on record with a national newpaper to say he could do. I trust the expert.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Damo » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:12 pm

Here's Peston being pulled up for spreading more I'll informed crap that he has plucked from his own backside

https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/statu ... 03648?s=19

More reason to take what the momentum loons post with a huge pinch of salt
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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:24 pm

Damo wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:09 pm
https://www.euronews.com/2020/03/06/cor ... -in-france

This link was posted a couple of pages back by thatdberight

You keep ignoring evidence that you are posting nonsense though, just to try and score some cheap political points
*Free Market, unless a government interferes.
Should have been enough PPE in the country already as this 2016 dry run showed us.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... overnment/
"There was not enough personal protective equipment (PPE) for the nation's doctors and nurses."

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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:27 pm

Damo wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:12 pm
Here's Peston being pulled up for spreading more I'll informed crap that he has plucked from his own backside

https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/statu ... 03648?s=19

More reason to take what the momentum loons post with a huge pinch of salt
That clip for some reason edits out the answer to Peston’s question about why do the Chinese think the antigen test gives a good indication as to whether you have Covid-19. The full interview shows a rather fudged answer to the question along the lines of ‘we don’t know much about this virus yet’, leaving the door open for the fact that it might be the case that the antigens start forming earlier for this virus than on average. So it doesn’t seem to be ‘I’ll informed’. It may turn out to be right or wrong, we don’t know yet.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:36 pm

I like Peston but anyone who watched last nights programme would find it hard to argue that he had got his facts about the different types of testing completely wrong.
The chief medical officer he was interviewing put him right in pretty uncertain terms and its probably a good job that this was a video linked interview as both were self isolating - the stuttering and time delays were better for Peston than if they would have been both in the studio as Peston would no doubt have dug himself further into a hole.

The government has not helped itself with their communications on the different testing though and the purpose / reason for each and what it will bring to the virus. Even yesterday the chief medical issue described testing as a “side issue” and within hours Boris had sent out a message that it was the single most important thing at the moment (paraphrasing on what BJ said exactly)

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:39 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:47 pm
I'm not trying to wind anybody up. Your claim I am, perhaps , says more about your inability to accept there are people with a different world view to the one you. They, I, they have as much right to express their opinion on a public forum as your good self.

The opinion polls I have posted are, in my opinion, entirely relevant as they are a snap shot of what the people, out there , are thinking about the government's handling of this unprecedented horrendous crisis. To describe them as "daft" is somewhat unfair. I'm not using them as "evidence" of anything. Perhaps, it's just further evidence that you're unable to accept that your viewpoint is in the minority, and maybe, dont like to be reminded of it.

As I've said to you previously. The current situation means we're all feeling anxious, some more than others. This should be a forum where , if people feel they need to reach out to others, or simply express their opinion. They should be able to do so freely, without fear of being shouted down, or their posts being called "daft" and "irrelevant" . Moreover, despite you feeling I'm being "disingenuous" when I say it. I'll still empathise with all those of us who are struggling in these testing times.

Stay safe, one and all
Last one fron me on this.

As you consider opinion polls to be relevant, I'll post this from the other thread.
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What are your thoughts on this, compared to the "87% approval of the government" you were posting the other day? As you like to hold the majority view, are you going to change your mind? Or will it now acceptable to belittle your opinion as it is now the minority?

You're forever telling us that "democracy means that sometimes you lose". Well living in a democracy also means that an elected government can be questioned, scrutinised and held to account. Maybe you're not so keen on that aspect of democracy.

If you want to live in a state where it is not allowed to question your leader maybe you should follow the advice you've given to many posters on this board and move to North Korea.

As for your comment about PHE; who knows what that was about but I suspect you're hoping somebody else is made a scapegoat at the expense of the people really responsible, should the **** hit the fan.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:40 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:45 am
All bickering and w@nkeridge pointless point scoring aside we've just lost a close family friend this evening due to the COVID19 virus.

It's on your local doorstep believe me!

Admitted around 8pm this evening and dead before 10:15

Now get that through your thick fu**ing heads
This post cuts through all the partisan claptrap from both sides,in the real world people are dying and families are grieving,due to this bloody virus.

Sorry to hear of your loss TWN,hope in time you can give your friend a proper send-off. :cry:

The w@nkfest of endless tit-for-tat is why i haven't posted on this thread for a couple of days,it's draining watching the same suspects acting out the same old arguments,there is some good info and advice on this thread,sadly it's incredibly hard to find amongst all the points scoring and trolling.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:50 pm

Replied to wrong question
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:51 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:11 pm
"They could have had probably 500 ventilators if they got back to me straight away" - Does that not imply delivery of a product?

What I object to is you doubting the ability of a ventilator specialist to do the thing he went on record with a national newpaper to say he could do. I trust the expert.
It certainly implies that their involvement would have probably facilitated delivery. His company makes mostly mechanical part and tubing. Extremely complex I'm sure but not the brains of the ventilator.

I haven't doubted his expertise and as I said he should be listened to. I have doubted the interpretation you've put on it. I see no evidence that company is in a position to deliver ventilators or that they claimed they could.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:52 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:48 pm
Sorry to hear (and I agree with your last line - the thread is 90% patheticness).

Can I ask, how old were they and were they in good health?

55 and no underlying health issues

My wife has been informed today that one of her clients husband has passed away this morning too. 63 and fit as a fiddle

This virus isnt discriminating or being choosy

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:53 pm

Surely if the government is chasing ventilators, they would be contacting the company that supplies complete ventilators. They wouldn't be ringing round all the manufacturers of the parts to see if they can make up a whole one?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:55 pm

THEWELLERNUT70 wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:50 pm
Replied to wrong question
Sad to hear about your loss.
It got real for me and my family yesterday too. He was also 63.
It’s noticeable how many individual stories have been mentioned on the forum today and sadly this is how it’s going to be for the next few weeks at least.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:02 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:11 pm
Ok but in the same way you also diverted from the facts too, speculating he only had missing parts for existing ventilators. Does it not stand to reason someone who runs a company which makes ventilator parts could if needed use his contacts to order all the required parts for a complete ventilator, You don't know what percentage of the parts he makes.

"They could have had probably 500 ventilators if they got back to me straight away" - Does that not imply delivery of a product?

What I object to is you doubting the ability of a ventilator specialist to do the thing he went on record with a national newpaper to say he could do. I trust the expert.
Gov Cuomo stated yesterday or maybe the day before. Ventilators were $20k 9 days ago, now they are $50k each. China is getting a really bad rap from that alone.
They caused this and now are profiteering at America’s expense.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:06 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:02 pm
Gov Cuomo stated yesterday or maybe the day before. Ventilators were $20k 9 days ago, now they are $50k each. China is getting a really bad rap from that alone.
They caused this and now are profiteering at America’s expense.
If you sell them at $20k, people will buy twice as many as they need.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:12 pm

Grumps keeps saying I don’t post anything positive.

Italy’s daily new infection figures I consider have plateaued so their lockdown is now working.
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:15 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:06 pm
If you sell them at $20k, people will buy twice as many as they need.
I don’t get your logic, the RRP was $20k. Now they are desperate they now are charging $50k. You find that acceptable??

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:24 pm

Second ever positive post, here is a picture of the face shield my friends have printed over night.
The first one has been delivered to Airedale for infection control to assess. Blackburn have asked if they can have some. Let’s see if it gets passed. My company Rolls Royce has said it will cover all manufacturing costs if this gets passed. The grey frame is 3D printed and the acetate can be trimmed as appropriate. It can also be disinfected and re-used.
I have been made elastication strap manufacturer using theraband I use for fishing.
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm

As a comparison , here is our daily cases graph. Today’s numbers are very similar to yesterday’s so you can add another bar to this graph. So we are still on the up unfortunately. When will we plateau, that’s the question??

What we need to watch for is the next step up in two or three days. If that’s does not happen, that will be good news.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:04 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:24 pm
Second ever positive post, here is a picture of the face shield my friends have printed over night.
The first one has been delivered to Airedale for infection control to assess. Blackburn have asked if they can have some. Let’s see if it gets passed. My company Rolls Royce has said it will cover all manufacturing costs if this gets passed. The grey frame is 3D printed and the acetate can be trimmed as appropriate. It can also be disinfected and re-used.
I have been made elastication strap manufacturer using theraband I use for fishing.

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that's commendable and all that, but I'm fairly sure if I had the raw materials (plastic sheeting etc) I could fabricate one a lot quicker than a 3D printer could, in fact I estimate I could make upwards of 100/day in my garden shed - how many can the 3D printer roll out...?

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Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:15 pm
I don’t get your logic, the RRP was $20k. Now they are desperate they now are charging $50k. You find that acceptable??
I think it's one very crude way a scarce resource gets passed around

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:49 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:04 pm
that's commendable and all that, but I'm fairly sure if I had the raw materials (plastic sheeting etc) I could fabricate one a lot quicker than a 3D printer could, in fact I estimate I could make upwards of 100/day in my garden shed - how many can the 3D printer roll out...?
All I can say to that is , get on with it.
I have found in my life, there are those who talk a good game.
There are those who just get on and do it.

Let’s see which one you are??

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:51 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:04 pm
that's commendable and all that, but I'm fairly sure if I had the raw materials (plastic sheeting etc) I could fabricate one a lot quicker than a 3D printer could, in fact I estimate I could make upwards of 100/day in my garden shed - how many can the 3D printer roll out...?
24 hours after being asked , the first one was delivered for approval.

Post pics of yours tomorrow. Hope yours gets approved as well. It will be needed.
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Post by tim_noone » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:52 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:49 pm
All I can say to that is , get on with it.
I have found in my life, there are those who talk a good game.
There are those who just get on and do it.

Let’s see which one you are??
Tbf.....he did say IF.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:00 pm

I think instead of stat's and looking back trying to appropriate blame here and now, we should be looking to the future and thinking about the 5R's:
Resolve: Address immediate challenges C-19 represents to health and industry, stem recession, investment incentives
Resilience: Address near-term slowdown/reduction of illness/deaths + cash management issues re individuals and business, regardless of size
Return: Create detailed plans for return to normal, scale up, hospitals/health not overwhelmed, people back to work, Lessons Learned (LL)
Reimagination: New normal, Health/NHS/CDC/ + preparedness for next winter & other future viruses, Supply Chain, businesses reinvent
Reform: Clear regulatory planning/laws and implement changes, regulatory and competitive environments from pre 2020, implement LL

5R's above just very high level thinking, we need to get smarter everywhere, change management is always difficult and will be complicated with spending it takes time and a lot of prioritization, plus not everyone will agree. When will the world start on the road to recovery is the big unknown plus the how long will it take, along with how much Gov. around the world will borrow/invest and where, getting out of the frying pan only to jump into the fire is a major concern second only to health. Health wise we should all know what we have to do forever how long it takes, rely on health/science to develop/manufacture the vaccine for all.
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