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Post by Spijed » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:01 pm

1HappyClaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:49 pm
These are people who have died in hospital who have tested positive for COVID-19. It does not include people who have died that are not in hospital. Unfortunately the actual figure is likely to be higher not lower.
But there is also the likelihood that many people have died of other issues despite having the virus.

I think you'll find that rates of death for heart attacks, regular flu and pneumonia and other causes will be down this year because of this.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:01 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:33 pm
I am confused here
For once we agree. I apologise, I should have stuck to my earlier position not to debate with you.

Will try harder.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by taio » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:01 pm

dsr wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:52 pm
'Society' as a whole accepts that some things are worth the deaths of people. Take driving, for example. About 1,800 people die on the roads each year. If road transport was abolished, this would be nil. But society accepts that the benefits of road transport outweigh the costs and allows those 1,800 people to die. We try and reduce it, of course, but we don't take the simple action required that would save 1,800 lives per year.

In costs and benefits analysis, whether you like it or not, 'society' tots up death of human beings as one of the costs.

Who here would abolish road transport to save 1,800 lives?
You are absolutely correct and the National Institute for Health Care Excellence uses cost utility analysis and a quality adjusted life years methodology to determine whether the cost of a health intervention represents good value and therefore worth introducing or not.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:02 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:57 pm
LowBank said this lockdown would be worth it if it saves 1 life.
Ok but it’s still feels a bit of an irrelevant question as we know the government are not taking these measures to try and save 1 life - they are doing it because they think it will save many many more.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:05 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:02 pm
Ok but it’s still feels a bit of an irrelevant question as we know the government are not taking these measures to try and save 1 life - they are doing it because they think it will save many many more.
It would be an irrelevant question to government because they've never said they'd take this action to save 1 life. Faced with someone who wants "everything" done but doesn't seem to have any upper limit to the cost or lower limit to the benefit involved, it seemed pertinent.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:09 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:47 pm

...making face shields ...
This, by the way, is a really laudable effort.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:11 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:58 pm
That's not the question.

If this lockdown saves 1 life, is it worth it?

If not 1, then what's the number where your answer changes?
1 isn’t 1, it’s a silly question, no number exists to determine any lockdown changes, it’s a case of mitigation & letting it run it course & when it’s established that the NHS could cope normally so be it. It’s the greater good I’m interested in irrespective of any economical damage, both have negatives it’s short term anyway providing we all do as instructed the numbers will drop & we can hopefully get back to normal.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:14 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:05 pm
It would be an irrelevant question to government because they've never said they'd take this action to save 1 life. Faced with someone who wants "everything" done but doesn't seem to have any upper limit to the cost or lower limit to the benefit involved, it seemed pertinent.
To be fair , your good at asking questions that can only end in further debate as it’s an impossible answer.

What’s your figure for the number of deaths if we stopped lockdown today??

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:17 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:09 pm
This, by the way, is a really laudable effort.
Currently we appear as a north west group to be able to make 40 a day.

If it passes the chlorine cleaning test, it’s reusable. That could make a big difference then. Three hospitals are asking for them currently.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:31 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:14 pm
To be fair , your good at asking questions that can only end in further debate as it’s an impossible answer.

What’s your figure for the number of deaths if we stopped lockdown today??
Same as it's always been 400-500k. Maybe a bit less, maybe a bit more.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:32 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:11 pm
no number exists to determine any lockdown changes
I bet it does in the real world.

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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:49 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:31 pm
Same as it's always been 400-500k. Maybe a bit less, maybe a bit more.
So that’s your acceptable death count???

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Zlatan » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:03 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:17 pm
Currently we appear as a north west group to be able to make 40 a day.

If it passes the chlorine cleaning test, it’s reusable. That could make a big difference then. Three hospitals are asking for them currently.
That's many more than I expected, well done. there's a local chap near me making 120+/day for supply to the local hospitals, nothing as fancy as 3D printing though - just one man, and his workshop (his business normally make riot gear) - if I can find the link I'll post it. His unit cost is approx £0.75/mask, but like I said nothing as fancy as a custom made 3D printed one.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:07 pm

Try not to watch the news for obvious reasons. So the latest anybody who's anybody boris's wife been in bed a week she along with other "names" all recover and have a mild condition...jane public observes the lockdown rules impeccably and Dies? Can anyone enlighten me wtf is really going on. Thanks

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:49 pm
So that’s your acceptable death count???
.

You'll have to remind me where I said that. In fact, I think you'll find I said the opposite.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:17 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:07 pm
Try not to watch the news for obvious reasons. So the latest anybody who's anybody boris's wife been in bed a week she along with other "names" all recover and have a mild condition...jane public observes the lockdown rules impeccably and Dies? Can anyone enlighten me wtf is really going on. Thanks
You really don't get this?

Nearly everybody who gets this recovers.

If a "celeb" gets it, it's news and their recovery is news. Your perception - celebs get better.

If a "normal person" gets it, it's not news. If they die, it's news or at least part of the stats. Your perception - normal people die.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Blackrod » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:21 pm

I thought there would be about 4,000 dead by Sunday night last week. Looks like we will surpass that. I reckon 10.000 will be dead by next weekend and we look to be exactly on the same trajectory as Spain and Italy.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:24 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:17 pm
You really don't get this?

Nearly everybody who gets this recovers.

If a "celeb" gets it, it's news and their recovery is news. Your perception - celebs get better.

If a "normal person" gets it, it's not news. If they die, it's news or at least part of the stats. Your perception - normal people die.
Nearly everybody who gets it also spreads it you conveniently forgot to add also, therein lies a huge problem you seem to skirt around.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:24 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:17 pm
You really don't get this?

Nearly everybody who gets this recovers.

If a "celeb" gets it, it's news and their recovery is news. Your perception - celebs get better.

If a "normal person" gets it, it's not news. If they die, it's news or at least part of the stats. Your perception - normal people die.
No I dont get any of it. But thanks for enlightening me. :D

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:24 pm
Nearly everybody who gets it also spreads it you conveniently forgot to add also, therein lies a huge problem you seem to skirt around.
I get that... :D to a degree. And do abide by the social distancing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:29 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:26 pm
I get that... :D to a degree. And do abide by the social distancing.
You sound like a grown man adapted to the ugly tough world where you need to listen & learn, I don’t need to tell you what you should or shouldn’t be doing.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by conyoviejo » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:31 pm

Just be careful as people are going mad with this Covid - 19 lockdown. Actually I’ve just been talking about this with the microwave and toaster and all of us agreed that things are getting bad. I didn’t mention anything to the washing machine as she puts a different spin on everything, and certainly not the fridge as he’s acting cold and distant. The laptop was no good either as he was too PC,In the end the iron calmed me down as he said everything will be okay and no situation is too pressing!!
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Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:35 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:03 pm
That's many more than I expected, well done. there's a local chap near me making 120+/day for supply to the local hospitals, nothing as fancy as 3D printing though - just one man, and his workshop (his business normally make riot gear) - if I can find the link I'll post it. His unit cost is approx £0.75/mask, but like I said nothing as fancy as a custom made 3D printed one.
Zlatan,

It does not matter how or who. If it helps it helps.
I did a project plan today. Material cost is 61 pence a shield for ours. Nothing in that for people costs.

We have 5 people who have joined to the team, 5 printers, and another who we think will join tomorrow with two printers.

My concern is as word gets out it will quickly strip what can be made.

Our cost exec is onboard and if Demand goes up I am confident he will agree to more printers being purchased. They are only £160 each.
Tomorrow I need to do a full inventory of what the guys have.

Rolls Royce Derby have put two buyers on just buying supplies for this project. So I need to put an order in tomorrow.

Derby have printed 40 for Derby hospital already.

Let’s see how it pans out but hope we can help keep someone safe.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:36 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:24 pm
Nearly everybody who gets it also spreads it you conveniently forgot to add also, therein lies a huge problem you seem to skirt around.
What the actual **** are you talking about? I answered a specific question Tim asked and you're jumping in with something about... I have no idea what about...
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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:37 pm

Even this cat understands the importance of social distancing.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:37 pm

Daily briefing was somewhat downbeat,what's clear is there's no quick fix coming.

UK briefing: Signs of hope but long road ahead
Rachel Schraer

Health Reporter

NHS England medical director Stephen Powis talked of “reasons to be hopeful”. He pointed to some of the reductions in infections and hospitalisations, which it's hoped will feed through into falling numbers of deaths in the coming days and weeks.

But in today’s government briefing, he pushed back at the idea of an “exit strategy” from lockdown.

He made it clear there was a long road ahead, and tackling the virus would require a combination of social distancing, testing, developing pharmaceutical treatments and, down the line, hopefully a vaccine. That may still be 18 months away.

Mr Powis gave the comparison of HIV as a virus which over time we have learnt to manage and deal with.

A lot of the briefing, though, was used to emphasise some familiar lines – that the most important thing was for people to continue with social distancing measures. And that this would help to ensure the NHS could cope with demand.

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove, too, pointed to various ways the government was building up capacity in the NHS, for example by buying in more ventilators. But he made clear the UK was not out of the woods and, what’s more, that it is not really clear when that point would come.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:39 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:14 pm
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You'll have to remind me where I said that. In fact, I think you'll find I said the opposite.
That’s where I struggle then with your argument.

Your asking me to define a number I find acceptable, without nailing your colours to the mast.

So you either agree to the lockdown or the higher death rate. Which is it???

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Post by thatdberight » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:39 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:39 pm
That’s where I struggle then with your argument.

Your asking me to define a number I find acceptable, without nailing your colours to the mast.

So you either agree to the lockdown or the higher death rate. Which is it???
I've already said that I think, for now, the current response is proportionate. I don't think I can be any clearer.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:40 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:21 pm
I thought there would be about 4,000 dead by Sunday night last week. Looks like we will surpass that. I reckon 10.000 will be dead by next weekend and we look to be exactly on the same trajectory as Spain and Italy.
I posted the data that supports that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:51 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:37 pm
Daily briefing was somewhat downbeat,what's clear is there's no quick fix coming.

UK briefing: Signs of hope but long road ahead
Rachel Schraer

Health Reporter

NHS England medical director Stephen Powis talked of “reasons to be hopeful”. He pointed to some of the reductions in infections and hospitalisations, which it's hoped will feed through into falling numbers of deaths in the coming days and weeks.

But in today’s government briefing, he pushed back at the idea of an “exit strategy” from lockdown.

He made it clear there was a long road ahead, and tackling the virus would require a combination of social distancing, testing, developing pharmaceutical treatments and, down the line, hopefully a vaccine. That may still be 18 months away.

Mr Powis gave the comparison of HIV as a virus which over time we have learnt to manage and deal with.

A lot of the briefing, though, was used to emphasise some familiar lines – that the most important thing was for people to continue with social distancing measures. And that this would help to ensure the NHS could cope with demand.

Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove, too, pointed to various ways the government was building up capacity in the NHS, for example by buying in more ventilators. But he made clear the UK was not out of the woods and, what’s more, that it is not really clear when that point would come.
Getting out of lockdown is the bit I cannot get my head around.

Here’s why, usual protagonists will here to say it’s not so, and I have it all wrong.

So some experts say for every death there’s a 1000 people infected out there. A death rate of 0.1% , which I find questionable. That gives us 4.1 million infected. So still 62 million not been exposed.

At 1% it’s only around 400-500k infected.

How do we come out of lockdown and stop the rest of us getting ill.

I am sure the worlds grappling with that question.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:11 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:51 pm
Getting out of lockdown is the bit I cannot get my head around.

Here’s why, usual protagonists will here to say it’s not so, and I have it all wrong.

So some experts say for every death there’s a 1000 people infected out there. A death rate of 0.1% , which I find questionable. That gives us 4.1 million infected. So still 62 million not been exposed.

At 1% it’s only around 400-500k infected.

How do we come out of lockdown and stop the rest of us getting ill.

I am sure the worlds grappling with that question.
That's the ultimate question,i guess antibody tests could play a major part,but are they reliable,and when will they be available for widespread use.

Until those 2 questions are answered we're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Realistically this lockdown,or an even stricter lockdown can't be maintained forever,but if and when the populace are allowed out again,and especially when works restart in earnest,the threat of a 2nd wave will still be there.

Obviously the panacea is a vaccine,but that's some way off.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:20 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:11 pm
That's the ultimate question,i guess antibody tests could play a major part,but are they reliable,and when will they be available for widespread use.

Until those 2 questions are answered we're kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Realistically this lockdown,or an even stricter lockdown can't be maintained forever,but if and when the populace are allowed out again,and especially when works restart in earnest,the threat of a 2nd wave will still be there.

Obviously the panacea is a vaccine,but that's some way off.
Yep 100% agree.

There is a hypothesis that you let out the young and fit.

I honestly think we should watch Sweden, that could lead us to a direction out of this.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by mdd2 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:25 pm

The word effective has to be the word. Effective testing, effective vaccine, effective treatments

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I'm feeling a bit guilt today because when Boris demanded self-isolation i said it was alright for him to say that, when he was sharing a nice big double bed with his fiancee. Now she's ill I feel bad.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:48 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:25 pm
The word effective has to be the word. Effective testing, effective vaccine, effective treatments
That’s the word, when all said done there’s enough examples to be going off, countries who seem better prepared & equipped than us & try to replicate that model, I realise it’s impossible to get the exact same model but you can extract certain parts & utilise accordingly, reading the article somebody posted regarding German healthcare they seem to know what there are doing with diagnosing early & acting before deterioration, we seem to be too slow off the blocks.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:53 pm

Terrible that Boris’s fiancee, as well as being a former victim of Warboys, now has Covid whilst heavily pregnant. Shows you that bad luck isn’t evenly handed out.

Best wishes to her and to Boris, whether he has done well or not managing this, he doesn’t deserve all this stress and anxiety.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:07 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:20 pm
Yep 100% agree.

There is a hypothesis that you let out the young and fit.

I honestly think we should watch Sweden, that could lead us to a direction out of this.
Sweden appear to be going down the lockdown route now.

The government wants more power - demands to bypass parliament during the corona crisis
UPDATED TODAY 06:18PUBLISHED YESTERDAY 21:17
Due to the corona crisis, the government wants to be given power to make decisions linked to the pandemic without having to go through Parliament. They have sought opposition from the opposition in order to get through a law council referendum - but met with opposition from the Moderates.

A memorandum from the Ministry of Social Affairs to the opposition, which SVT has taken note of, describes a draft of a law council referral. It contains proposals to give the government temporary authority to issue certain regulations to stop the spread of covid-19 - without having to turn to Parliament.

The memorandum states that the government is proposed to have the right to make swift decisions to impose, among other things, temporary restrictions on crowds, close shopping malls, nightclubs and restaurants and to impose restrictions on the transport sector.

The regulation shall, if it enters into force, be temporary and proposed to apply between April 2020 and September 2020.

M critical
In the Moderates' response, which Expressen has noted , the party criticizes parts of the proposal:

"In practice, this will mean an opportunity for the government to decide on regulations that would normally require legislation from the Riksdag".

Tobias Billström, Group Leader for M in Parliament, comments on the draft proposal in writing to TT:

“We are eager to make quick and powerful decisions to combat the spread of infection. At the same time, the proposal has been developed rapidly, and it is important that the measures are both accurate and legal. We have provided a quick answer on how this can be achieved. Now it is up to the government to continue the process. "

Minister: "We will return"
M says that they agree that the government will have the power to make direct decisions on the condition that they should be tried immediately in Parliament afterwards. If the Riksdag then votes no, the decision should no longer apply, the party writes.

In a written commentary to SVT, Maja Fjaestad, State Secretary for Social Affairs Minister Lena Hallengren (S), comments on the proposal:

“A draft law council is being prepared with a proposal for a law with authorization that will temporarily give the government increased opportunities to be able to take certain coronary-related measures quickly. We will return when there is a proposal. The government continuously anchors any measures with the parliamentary parties. "

Several lots positive
During the evening, several parliamentary parties expressed a positive opinion on the proposal.

Acko Ankarberg (KD), chair of the social committee, writes to TT that the referral feels reasonable:

“The Christian Democrats' basic attitude is that it is reasonable for the government to have the tools needed to fight the spread of infection. The powers demanded by the government are temporary and apply for a very limited time. That is why we have mainly been positive about the government's proposal. ”

Jimmie Åkesson (SD) also tells the news agency that he is temporarily giving the government increased power:

“We have been demanding more action and more action during these weeks. This is a good step on the road and should have come earlier. In this situation, I am temporarily willing to give the government increased opportunities for quick action. Then, of course, they also need to act when needed and not just talk. We look forward to a discussion on adequate control mechanisms on the part of Parliament ”.

"Must be weighed against democracy"
Karin Rågsjö (V), member of Parliament's social committee, also comments on the proposal for TT:

-We have received initial information. But we want to see the whole proposal, and continue:

-Smith protection must be weighed against democracy.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:10 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:48 pm
That’s the word, when all said done there’s enough examples to be going off, countries who seem better prepared & equipped than us & try to replicate that model, I realise it’s impossible to get the exact same model but you can extract certain parts & utilise accordingly, reading the article somebody posted regarding German healthcare they seem to know what there are doing with diagnosing early & acting before deterioration, we seem to be too slow off the blocks.
I hate repeating myself but we need to learn from the outlying countries. So repeating myself.

UK and Taiwan had 40 cases on the same day. Uk 66 million, Taiwan 26 million. It’s been done to death (sorry) that size in this case does not really matter.
Taiwan instantly implemented mandatory face masks, temp checks everywhere and hand Sanitizer.

They have 400 cases.

We have 40,000, with restricted testing.

Not saying that’s the answer but it could be a massive contribution to getting back to normal.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by atlantalad » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:35 pm

Hi mdd2. Yes I should have used the correct scientific terminology: RNA, but I thought using this may be OTT on here. (My son works in a biotech company in SF bay area and his expertise is genomics – re-coding DNA of bacteria to make them do useful functions, so I am aware of the distinction and use of RNA & CRISPR for DNA coding).

I know particular enzyme reagents are needed to snip out the relevant parts of the RNA to isolate the identifying part of the genome specific to the 2019-nCoV strain of the virus. The test developed and launched by Novacyt’s molecular diagnostics division, Primerdesign is a quantitative polymerase chain reaction (qPCR) assay that “specifically” targets the unique genome sequences of this strain of Cov-19.
According to the company their test :
• Rapid detection and exclusive to the COVID-19 strain
• Does not detect other related coronavirus strains
• High priming efficiency
• Accurate controls to confirm extraction, and assay validity
• Lyophilised components for ambient shipping
• Highly specific detection profile

I understand that some tests have low specificity and, as you rightly point out, these are worse than useless. However, the Novacyte Primerdesign kit has 99% specificity – has CE approval, FDA approval, PHE approval + approval for use in India, Argentina, Middle East and SE Asia countries. Specificity can be checked in document:
https://www.assaygenie.com/content/COVI ... design.pdf

Having stated the above I believe Cov-19 testing is a stop-gap. Totally agree with you in that to get the stats down to a reasonable risk would need an awful lot of re-testing. In fact the current testing regime is probably purely a reaction to public concerns. The Gov want to ally fears by being seen to be doing something. As you rightly state what’s to say a health worker tests negative one day, but picks up the virus the next day and passes it around. Daily testing ain't going to happen. Your correct, to truly prevent transmission via health workers we need a reliable antibody test.
Until the day we have an antibody test self isolation and social distancing is the only solution.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:41 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:10 pm
I hate repeating myself but we need to learn from the outlying countries. So repeating myself.

UK and Taiwan had 40 cases on the same day. Uk 66 million, Taiwan 26 million. It’s been done to death (sorry) that size in this case does not really matter.
Taiwan instantly implemented mandatory face masks, temp checks everywhere and hand Sanitizer.

They have 400 cases.

We have 40,000, with restricted testing.

Not saying that’s the answer but it could be a massive contribution to getting back to normal.
We don’t seem to think of things or when we do it’s too late, this letter we’ve all received from boris Johnson it could have included a voucher for a bottle of sanitiser per household, pre arranged with all the leading Supermarkets stocked up, It’s difficult to get hold of now & some people don’t have it not through choice it will end up being a problem, little ideas & initiatives so far behind other countries in some ways.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by dsr » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:10 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:41 pm
We don’t seem to think of things or when we do it’s too late, this letter we’ve all received from boris Johnson it could have included a voucher for a bottle of sanitiser per household, pre arranged with all the leading Supermarkets stocked up, It’s difficult to get hold of now & some people don’t have it not through choice it will end up being a problem, little ideas & initiatives so far behind other countries in some ways.
Households don't need hand sanitiser because there is soap and water handy. Sanitiser is needed at supermarket doorways and the few other places that remain open, where you can't wash your hands as soon as you go in.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:20 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:18 am

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:18 am

Boris Johnson given the all clear after 3 days.

So basically, he's a massive lying tosser.

Who'd have thought?
Almost 5 days have past since this post.....

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:25 pm

dsr wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:10 pm
Households don't need hand sanitiser because there is soap and water handy. Sanitiser is needed at supermarket doorways and the few other places that remain open, where you can't wash your hands as soon as you go in.
I wasn’t referring to them occasions, I was more referring to the exercise period & times where you need to watch where your hands are going as the germs can survive on certain items, I managed to have a bottle handy anywhere, the same applies to the masks, you can never have enough but you can certainly find yourself in a awkward position if not careful.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:29 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:25 pm
I wasn’t referring to them occasions, I was more referring to the exercise period & times where you need to watch where your hands are going as the germs can survive on certain items, I managed to have a bottle handy anywhere, the same applies to the masks, you can never have enough but you can certainly find yourself in a awkward position if not careful.
Washing up liquid will sanitize your hands just as well. I use it as I've run out of hand gel.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:34 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:29 pm
Washing up liquid will sanitize your hands just as well. I use it as I've run out of hand gel.
You know that & I know that, you only have to look at the thread with people torching 5G masts, we aren’t exactly blessed with a nation of Einstein’s, push to come shove some neat scotch from a hip flask would kill the little b*gg*rs if need be.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:45 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:34 pm
You know that & I know that, you only have to look at the thread with people torching 5G masts, we aren’t exactly blessed with a nation of Einstein’s, push to come shove some neat scotch from a hip flask would kill the little b*gg*rs if need be.
Your point is supported by some people still ignoring the lockdown,the mind does boggle sometimes. :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52162490

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:51 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:29 pm
Washing up liquid will sanitize your hands just as well. I use it as I've run out of hand gel.
#me to.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:53 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:45 pm
Your point is supported by some people still ignoring the lockdown,the mind does boggle sometimes. :roll:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52162490
I feel tomorrow will be more crucial in whether people will resist the temptation, today’s been very cloudy & overcast well up north it as, tomorrow is meant to be sunny with the temperatures higher as the temptation will be greater.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:55 pm

Today's curves

Remember we watch Italy play out weeks in advance and now we find ourselves in a worse situation, we're going to suffer more due to poor governance and chronic mismanagement.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by ClaretAndJew » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:28 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:20 pm
Almost 5 days have past since this post.....
Aye was sucked in by some Red Top online.

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