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Re: Covid-19

Post by Spijed » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:55 pm

Engineering company Renishaw has started mass-producing components for medical ventilators, to support the NHS during the pandemic.

The firm, which has manufacturing sites in Gloucestershire and South Wales, said both factories were now running seven days a week.

Marc Saunders, from Renishaw, said: "When the government called, we scrambled to respond, and immediately realised the daunting scale of the challenge.

"Ventilators are sophisticated medical devices and we felt that our capabilities would be best applied to helping scale up the production of designs with existing technologies."

The company normally supplies products for jet engine and wind turbine manufacture, through to dentistry and brain surgery.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:02 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:03 am
face masks are not intended to protect the wearer, they are intended to prevent the wearer spreading germs - i.e. they prevent the spread not protect the wearer.

Coronavirus is no more dangerous as a virus than your everyday influenza virus; the distinction is that we have known treatments and vaccines for influenza and as a populace we have a degree of resistance to influenza.
A few did.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:02 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:37 pm
Not scary enough for me. A bit of rebranded flu.. just take a couple of Lemsips and get to bed early, you'll be right.

It needs to be something like the Ebola virus, bleeding out your eyeballs and all that to make me twitchy.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:08 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:54 pm
Are you serious ?
“Majority” ?.....did literally even one person say that on this board ?
Found two just on page one. Cannot be bothered to look any further.

Apologies to the two I copied, it’s just they were on the first page.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:09 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:55 pm
Engineering company Renishaw has started mass-producing components for medical ventilators, to support the NHS during the pandemic.

The firm, which has manufacturing sites in Gloucestershire and South Wales, said both factories were now running seven days a week.

Marc Saunders, from Renishaw, said: "When the government called, we scrambled to respond, and immediately realised the daunting scale of the challenge.

"Ventilators are sophisticated medical devices and we felt that our capabilities would be best applied to helping scale up the production of designs with existing technologies."

The company normally supplies products for jet engine and wind turbine manufacture, through to dentistry and brain surgery.
Renishaw produce some really good kit.

I would certain trust my life to something they made.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:19 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:09 pm
Renishaw produce some really good kit.

I would certain trust my life to something they made.
Excuse my ignorance..but when you mentioned copiers And Producing safety shields what was the process ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:20 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:08 pm
Found two just on page one. Cannot be bothered to look any further.

Apologies to the two I copied, it’s just they were on the first page.
I don’t think either of those 2 examples said “it’s nowt but a bit of flu that the elderly get” and it certainly was not the majority (one of the examples was sarcasm to me)

Irrespective of whether the odd person or not said I think it’s better leaving the “told you so” comments to the other threads - there is little or nothing to be gained from being proven right or wrong on this subject matter.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by paulatky » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:34 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:54 pm
Are you serious ?
“Majority” ?.....did literally even one person say that on this board ?
Just look back at the beginning if this thread.

Grumps even said the number if confirmed cases might have peaked at 79, as as he said nobody knows.

It was obvious even to a blind man on a galloping horse it couldnt have peaked when he said nobody knows.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:42 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:20 pm
I don’t think either of those 2 examples said “it’s nowt but a bit of flu that the elderly get” and it certainly was not the majority (one of the examples was sarcasm to me)

Irrespective of whether the odd person or not said I think it’s better leaving the “told you so” comments to the other threads - there is little or nothing to be gained from being proven right or wrong on this subject matter.
Zlatan's comment seems to me completely accurate. This virus in itself is not an existential threat. It's a novel virus with a relatively low mortality rate but we have neither in-built (immunity) nor invented (vaccine) protection. The problem for some poster(s) is that they can't take in nuanced meaning. They just read that as someone saying it can't do any more damage this year than this year's flu. We've been through this sort of thing a number of times. It's pointless trying to reason.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:45 pm

619 UK deaths today, sadly.

Still likely to disappoint those getting either party political or general doom-mongering kicks out of the toll. There's always tomorrow for them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:56 pm

paulatky wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:34 pm
Just look back at the beginning if this thread.

Grumps even said the number if confirmed cases might have peaked at 79, as as he said nobody knows.

It was obvious even to a blind man on a galloping horse it couldnt have peaked when he said nobody knows.
That's 3 different numbers you've quoted me as saying, that's the trouble with lying, you need a good memory.
For the 10th time I asked you, how you knew it hadn't peaked, I didn't say it had... But if it makes you happy thinking you've got one over on somebody you carry on

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:03 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:20 pm
Irrespective of whether the odd person or not said I think it’s better leaving the “told you so” comments to the other threads - there is little or nothing to be gained from being proven right or wrong on this subject matter.
Nail on head. Anybody who is using this thread to pat themselves on the back because their predictions have come true need a word with themselves.

In fact, I'd go as far to say that it really does come across that certain posters are actually glad that more people have died, just so they can stand proud with their prediction being closer to another poster.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:26 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:18 am
Are the 20,000 people we deem it safe to fly back from India going straight into quarantine and for how long ?
I’m sure I’m missing something, but what would be the benefit of them going into quarantine?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:32 pm

This thread started 7th Feb. Less than 2 more days and it will have been going two months.

I wonder how many posts there will have beed when we are all "back to normal?"

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:34 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:32 pm
I wonder how many posts there will have beed when we are all "back to normal?"
Too many.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:36 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:26 pm
I’m sure I’m missing something, but what would be the benefit of them going into quarantine?
Hi RB, back in the early days, around the time this thread was started, we flex people back from China (I recall the issue of possibly splitting up families, British father, Chinese mother). The first lot were put into quarantine on the Wirral. Coach drivers drove them there without PPE.

So, that's what we did back then, maybe things are different now?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:37 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:19 pm
Excuse my ignorance..but when you mentioned copiers And Producing safety shields what was the process ?
Face shields, yes.

Not sure I mentioned copiers unless it was a typo.

The guys are using creality ender 3 . 3D printers to print the holders that go around the head.

A4 acetate as the Shield .

Rubber or elastic to hold it on your head.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:45 pm
619 UK deaths today, sadly.

Still likely to disappoint those getting either party political or general doom-mongering kicks out of the toll. There's always tomorrow for them.
It's less than yesterday's figures,that's the good news,however there could be a delay,as there was last weekend,and the numbers could spike again in a few days,hope not but it has to be a possibility alas.

The latest UK figures show a slight fall in the number of daily recorded deaths connected with Covid-19, from 708 fatalities reported on Saturday to 621 on Sunday.

As regards confirmed cases, the total is now 47,806, a rise of 5,903 from the previous day. This is higher than the daily increase of 3,735 reported on Saturday.

And now the caveat.

Treat UK figures with caution

Robert Cuffe

BBC head of statistics

Both last weekend and the weekend before that, reported deaths fell on the Sunday only for the backlog of reporting to come through in a Tuesday spike. So we should wait a few days before reading too much into these figures.

It is the second day in a row of below-trend growth. The long-term trend has been a doubling every three-and-a-half-days, which would put us above 900 deaths on Sunday. Any number below that is welcome, but we won't know for a few days whether it's a real fall or delays in reporting.

There has also been a consistent slowdown in the growth of confirmed cases since last weekend. Saturday's number of new cases even fell slightly. But they have risen again in the latest figures.

Scientists have warned that these figures could rise again this week, but that could be because of how we test for cases as opposed to an increase in infection rates.

Up until the end of March, testing was largely limited to patients in hospital. As the government tests more and more NHS staff, we could expect to see more confirmed cases even if the number of people sick in hospital with coronavirus goes down.

We'll only get a clear picture of what's happening "if the government report the number of new confirmed cases in NHS workers separately from cases in patients", says Keith Neal, an epidemiologist at the University of Nottingham.

Until we get say a week or so of both the rate of reported new infections,and the deaths dropping sharply,then it's wise to be cautious.

The lockdown measures are having some effect in slowing the spread,but it'll take time to filter through,probably another 2-3 weeks before we see any tangible effects i'm afraid,and a lot of that depends how the public maintain adhering to the government's instructions,the vast majority have and will likely continue to,but it only takes a few idiots to spoil all these efforts.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:34 pm
Too many.
Maybe we need Matt Hancock on here putting a limit on the number of posts each poster can make in a day. Maybe also a "social distancing" rule: no one can respond to another poster until 2 hours after passed since the original post. ;)
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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:48 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm
Maybe we need Matt Hancock on here putting a limit on the number of posts each poster can make in a day. Maybe also a "social distancing" rule: no one can respond to another poster until 2 hours after passed since the original post. ;)
I'd vote for that. For some, I'd put the limit at zero.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:57 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:19 pm
Excuse my ignorance..but when you mentioned copiers And Producing safety shields what was the process ?
Twenty Face Shields going to Leeds Hospital tonight. Inchy might be getting one after all.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:57 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:40 pm
... it only takes a few idiots to spoil all these efforts.
This isn't true. Each idiot will possibly cause some damage but they can't spoil the overall effect. The government is well-advised to be very careful about punishing all of us for the misbehaviour of a few. That might be counterproductive.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:58 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:37 pm
Face shields, yes.

Not sure I mentioned copiers unless it was a typo.

The guys are using creality ender 3 . 3D printers to print the holders that go around the head.

A4 acetate as the Shield .

Rubber or elastic to hold it on your head.
Gotcha..

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So you recover from the Virus.

Post by tim_noone » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:10 pm

Great News......Then What?

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Re: So you recover from the Virus.

Post by Aclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:13 pm

You don't die ?

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Re: So you recover from the Virus.

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:27 pm

You are given a pass to let you out in the fresh air and go back to work whilst the rest of the country has to stay in prison.. That will be good fun making it a world of us and themselves.

Ooh look at me I've had it and now I've got a pass so I can phook off where I want.. Lol

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:38 pm

In Sweden bars restaurants and cafes still open. Only the vunrable told to isolate.
If this seems to be working we shall be back to normal quicker than you think. The government will ditch the isolation route and go back to herding.
Our red areas are in the areas where we have a large Muslim populations, due to their large close nit families.

Spain and Italy have a similar culture with different generations living together.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Zlatan » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:41 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:02 pm
A few did.
don't you dare use that as an example! what I stated IS correct and I stand by it because I qualified my statement.

Stop being a complete and utter tool doing your best to wind me up on this like you have openly admitted on this thread previously. I gave up trying to correct you absolutely absurd quotes about death rates and misinterpreting numbers because it was making me feel ill trying to get you to understand that what you insisted on quoting was wrong and could lead people to worry. I've even praised you on this thread in regards to you efforts making masks.

You're just a sad individual who is revelling in this whole thing, you keep posting how you were right when anyone with half a brain can see that if you post enough doom and gloom stuff some of it will be right (the saying a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind!)

I personally have had enough of you on this thread, either grow up and actually take it as seriously as you profess, or STFU.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Burnley1989 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:44 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:09 pm
Renishaw produce some really good kit.

I would certain trust my life to something they made.
Every engineering company in the world will probably have a Renishaw probe if they have a CMM or PCMM

Fantastic company, had a coffee with Sir David McNulty who’s the owner and invented a lot of the technology, fantastic bloke.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:50 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:03 pm
Nail on head. Anybody who is using this thread to pat themselves on the back because their predictions have come true need a word with themselves.

In fact, I'd go as far to say that it really does come across that certain posters are actually glad that more people have died, just so they can stand proud with their prediction being closer to another poster.
z

People are very quick to say, this did or did not happen. I was merely pointing out if they had just done a quick check they would have discovered those particular statements were made.

I think saying some people are glad more people have died, is extremely cruel.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:57 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:41 pm
don't you dare use that as an example! what I stated IS correct and I stand by it because I qualified my statement.

Stop being a complete and utter tool doing your best to wind me up on this like you have openly admitted on this thread previously. I gave up trying to correct you absolutely absurd quotes about death rates and misinterpreting numbers because it was making me feel ill trying to get you to understand that what you insisted on quoting was wrong and could lead people to worry. I've even praised you on this thread in regards to you efforts making masks.

You're just a sad individual who is revelling in this whole thing, you keep posting how you were right when anyone with half a brain can see that if you post enough doom and gloom stuff some of it will be right (the saying a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind!)

I personally have had enough of you on this thread, either grow up and actually take it as seriously as you profess, or STFU.
Apologies that upset you.

I was just pointing out that people did say it was like flu, that’s all.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:03 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:38 pm
In Sweden bars restaurants and cafes still open. Only the vunrable told to isolate.
If this seems to be working we shall be back to normal quicker than you think. The government will ditch the isolation route and go back to herding.
Our red areas are in the areas where we have a large Muslim populations, due to their large close nit families.

Spain and Italy have a similar culture with different generations living together.
Unfortunately according to the data this approach doesn't look to be working. Whilst Norway are in lockdown with a pretty flat death curve the data for deaths in Sweden looks very steep and tracking the early data from China before they fully locked down

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TVC15 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:03 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:57 pm
Twenty Face Shields going to Leeds Hospital tonight. Inchy might be getting one after all.

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Well done on this
(Not so well done on lots of other stuff you have posted on this thread)

Out of curiosity are these masks being donated for free ?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:06 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:36 pm
Hi RB, back in the early days, around the time this thread was started, we flex people back from China (I recall the issue of possibly splitting up families, British father, Chinese mother). The first lot were put into quarantine on the Wirral. Coach drivers drove them there without PPE.

So, that's what we did back then, maybe things are different now?
Sure, I just wonder what difference quarantine would make when those people would be going straight into a 'lockdown'. How are they more likely to have the virus than any of us, what makes them more of a threat?

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Grumps » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:07 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:57 pm
Apologies that upset you.

I was just pointing out that people did say it was like flu, that’s all.
The trouble is people misquoting, I was one of those accused of saying it was like flu, when what I did was compare the two viruses for numbers only, and even though I said more than once I wasn't comparing symptoms or medical outcomes, certain posters continued to say I said it was only flu. Like above, it does annoy, and quite easily affect people's mind

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:10 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:41 pm
don't you dare use that as an example! what I stated IS correct and I stand by it because I qualified my statement.

Stop being a complete and utter tool doing your best to wind me up on this like you have openly admitted on this thread previously. I gave up trying to correct you absolutely absurd quotes about death rates and misinterpreting numbers because it was making me feel ill trying to get you to understand that what you insisted on quoting was wrong and could lead people to worry. I've even praised you on this thread in regards to you efforts making masks.

You're just a sad individual who is revelling in this whole thing, you keep posting how you were right when anyone with half a brain can see that if you post enough doom and gloom stuff some of it will be right (the saying a broken clock is right twice a day comes to mind!)

I personally have had enough of you on this thread, either grow up and actually take it as seriously as you profess, or STFU.
If it comes as as revelling, then that’s really bad. I apologise if it does.

Simply put.

The Gov lockdown is aiming to keep deaths below 20,000.

It’s model apparently estimates without it . It would be between 250,000 and 500,000.

I have tried obviously badly to suggest the data out there suggests it would be significantly higher. You disagree and I accept that.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by dsr » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:14 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:10 pm
If it comes as as revelling, then that’s really bad. I apologise if it does.

Simply put.

The Gov lockdown is aiming to keep deaths below 20,000.

It’s model apparently estimates without it . It would be between 250,000 and 500,000.

I have tried obviously badly to suggest the data out there suggests it would be significantly higher. You disagree and I accept that.
That's because you are no good at interpreting data. You are no doubt very good at making facemasks, which is something I literally couldn't do to save my life, and thank you for your efforts in that line. But you aren't good at the less practical skill of statistics, which is why a lot of your conclusions are not justified by the data.
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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:15 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:07 pm
The trouble is people misquoting, I was one of those accused of saying it was like flu, when what I did was compare the two viruses for numbers only, and even though I said more than once I wasn't comparing symptoms or medical outcomes, certain posters continued to say I said it was only flu. Like above, it does annoy, and quite easily affect people's mind
Grumps, it's not like you and I have agreed on everything on this but you really have to let him go. Dragging you down and winning with his experience is the phrase.

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Re: Coronavirus

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:15 pm

dsr wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:14 pm
That's because you are no good at interpreting data. You are no doubt very good at making facemasks, which is something I literally couldn't do to save my life, and thank you for your efforts in that line. But you aren't good at the less practical skill of statistics, which is why a lot of your conclusions are not justified by the data.
He has alternative facts.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:33 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:38 pm
Our red areas are in the areas where we have a large Muslim populations, due to their large close nit families.

Casual racism alert... :!: :roll:

In other news today
"Counter-terrorism police in the UK are investigating far-right groups accused of trying to use the coronavirus crisis to stoke anti-Muslim sentiment."
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:38 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:03 pm
Well done on this
(Not so well done on lots of other stuff you have posted on this thread)

Out of curiosity are these masks being donated for free ?
Yes, our company is going to cover any costs incurred by employees. The lads with printers get the credit not me. I just got the cost exec on board committing to pay and providing him with a project plan.

Material cost is around 60p.

The Dr from Leeds said they were expecting a big delivery of PPE, so fingers crossed they will be sorted soon
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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:40 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:33 pm
Casual racism alert... :!: :roll:
Topclaret may or may not be a racist but what he is saying is factual. Living in Yorkshire I get Look North which has featured Bradford and the Asian communities who do tend to have larger families and meet more regularly. They compared it to how the virus spread in Italy where the culture is very similar.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:47 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:40 pm
Topclaret may or may not be a racist but what he is saying is factual. Living in Yorkshire I get Look North which has featured Bradford and the Asian communities who do tend to have larger families and meet more regularly. They compared it to how the virus spread in Italy where the culture is very similar.
Exactly. If you have lived and worked in Asian communities like I have, you would realise I am being factual.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:49 pm

Let's not let this now go into another few pages of racism. One poster couldn't STFU about it for what felt like 84 pages on here.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:59 pm

Hear hear Frank.. It is quite evident that CombatClaret has got his own perverse agenda, in trying to stir racist tension on this forum

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:00 pm

This thread will shrink if this sort of approach applies here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52172570

I genuinely am disappointed that mods have allowed people to talk non-factual crap over the length of this thread. Threads are kicked off for much less.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:10 pm

The thread must stay.
If posters can rein it in a little, make their statement/counter statement and move on, we should be fine. It's the running sores continually exacerbated by McCartney and Co. that mess these threads.
I'm not reporting it again, CT must be sick of me, but some of these clashes we've witnessed are nothing to do with discussion.
I've gone a week without falling for the worst offender's self-indulgent crap - it can be done ! :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:18 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:00 pm
To say our fate is predetermined obfuscates all responsibility, I bet the government would love that, Ringo seems to.
Keeping people safe is one of the most basic functions of government, we've seen them go all out over terrorism which in reality kills very few people but the public feel scared about so the response is somewhat focused toward the ballot box.
The US has already lost more people than 9/11 and could reach that number daily.
Lot of very smart people have always said the risks to us all from a global pandemic is huge, we saw SARS & MERS and we thought oh that can only happen in Asia and it did only thanks to the excellent responses of the governments involved instead only confirmed our own exceptionalism.
Look at how much the economy is going to suffer, it will be far, far greater than the cost of effectively preparing for this in the first place not to mention the cost in lives.
Let me clarify.

I certainly don’t mean avoiding doing a review afterwards of what worked and what didn’t. I also don’t mean avoiding making it clear who has been at fault (personally I think PHE and the previous CMO Dame Sally Davies, who doesn’t have a public health background, are going to be under the spotlight for their last decade).

I also don’t mean politicians shouldn’t be held to account now, and challenged on why they are making the decisions they do. But challenge and post-covid review are very different from the blame game currently under way.

Pandemics require years of advance preparation, like South Korea had after SARS. Decisions during a crisis are aways likely to be hit and miss, picking that to bits now helps nobody.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:29 pm

Top Claret wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:38 pm
In Sweden bars restaurants and cafes still open. Only the vunrable told to isolate.
If this seems to be working we shall be back to normal quicker than you think. The government will ditch the isolation route and go back to herding.
Our red areas are in the areas where we have a large Muslim populations, due to their large close nit families.

Spain and Italy have a similar culture with different generations living together.
Two of the biggest hotspots are South Wales and Hampshire. I’m no expert but I don’t remember either being known for their big Muslim populations.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Top Claret » Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:17 pm

martin_p wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:29 pm
Two of the biggest hotspots are South Wales and Hampshire. I’m no expert but I don’t remember either being known for their big Muslim populations.
And London isn't?

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