Covid-19

[taio]

What good would that do?

Control over those not part of the same household who are choosing to ignore the rules.

[Rileybobs]

I don't get this. Why would you need to do that? We've restricted ourselves to a big shop, do without quite do much fresh stuff by the end of the 10 day period but not just living on junk. I certainly don't see how it can be more often.

Your mates in Dubai would appear to be the lucky ones for some reason.
https://www.thenational.ae/lifestyle/fo ... s-1.993045

That said, Dubai (about 1/70th the size of the UK but with population density 4 times as high) doesn't seem an easy comparison to make just on the grounds of quality of service industries.

Because we usually do our shopping online. It is delivered once a week and we order everything we need for the week. So we hardly ever go to the supermarket.

Currently, it's difficult to get a shopping slot so it's more than a week between slots resulting in an interim trip to the supermarket. Then there has been an increase in the number of items missing from the online shopping meaning that we may be short of certain key ingredients for the meals that we have bought for, resulting in another trip to the supermarket.

I didn't really quiz my mate in Dubai about the shopping, just took his word for it. Although on the link you've sent one of the online shops is offering same day delivery. He's not left his flat since the lockdown started.

[thatdberight]

Control over those not part of the same household who are choosing to ignore the rules.

Ah, OK. Gotcha. Although, it's pretty ******* obvious even now. I see groups that are clearly not "same household".

I think that would be counterproductive. Because this is clearly not an existential threat, there will come a point where a majority say, "Enough restrictions. We're just going to have to deal with it." I think action like that would unhelpfully hasten that response.

[Rileybobs]

The vast majority are keeping a distance. It would make those who are not part of the same household and therefore flouting the rules more visible to the police. There would be much less ambiguity a part from exceptional circumstances.

I suppose so. It would maybe crack down on those not abiding by the rules but I'm not sure it would do anything to reduce the spread of the virus which is surely the point of the lockdown.

[thatdberight]

Because we usually do our shopping online. It is delivered once a week and we order everything we need for the week. So we hardly ever go to the supermarket.

Thanks. I guess overall, it's diminished though with more home delivery and changes to shopping patterns.

I am slightly surprised the supermarkets couldn't scale up more. I'd guess (?) that's about getting potential employees cleared through various HR / safety hoops. I know one major delivery company which has shedloads of available vans and drivers due to their drop-off in business but the world doesn't move quickly enough for them to have ended up in the supermarkets I guess.

[taio]

Ah, OK. Gotcha. Although, it's pretty ******* obvious even now. I see groups that are clearly not "same household".

I think that would be counterproductive. Because this is clearly not an existential threat, there will come a point where a majority say, "Enough restrictions. We're just going to have to deal with it." I think action like that would unhelpfully hasten that response.

I'm saying it would be an option to tighten without going to full lockdown which I'm not in favour of. There are some very obvious examples especially in groups but many less so. It would take the uncertainty away. I might be missing an obvious reason why it couldn't work but I can't see it. It would add more control without the need to implement the most draconian measure.

[Rileybobs]

Thanks. I guess overall, it's diminished though with more home delivery and changes to shopping patterns.

I am slightly surprised the supermarkets couldn't scale up more. I'd guess (?) that's about getting potential employees cleared through various HR / safety hoops. I know one major delivery company which has shedloads of available vans and drivers due to their drop-off in business but the world doesn't move quickly enough for them to have ended up in the supermarkets I guess.

I think the issue is that everyone got a bit greedy and started booking up shopping slots. Ocado seem to have got on top of the problem. We now can book 3 or 4 deliveries in advance but can only book one per week. So from a week on Saturday we will be getting our regular weekly delivery.

[taio]

I suppose so. It would maybe crack down on those not abiding by the rules but I'm not sure it would do anything to reduce the spread of the virus which is surely the point of the lockdown.

It could if it discourages people not of the same household from being active together.

[TheFamilyCat]

I'm saying it would be an option to tighten without going to full lockdown which I'm not in favour of. There are some very obvious examples especially in groups but many less so. It would take the uncertainty away. I might be missing an obvious reason why it couldn't work but I can't see it. It would add more control without the need to implement the most draconian measure.

There isn't the resources to enforce draconian measures. It would be pointless implementing them.

[expoultryboy]

We've just had our daily walk along the river in shrewsbury . The few people who were out were all keeping to the social distancing rules BUT we must of seen at least 500 cars driving about . Let's be generous and say 10% were " key workers " , what were the others doing if there's no shops open and you're not allowed to visit anyone ?

[Lowbankclaret]

Just stop. You simply don't know what will happen. Just wait and see.

Apologies, it’s all in the data.
Like 8-9 days ago, if you look back there was a lot of debate when It was suggested there would be unfortunately 10,000 deaths by the end of this week.

[TVC15]

We've just had our daily walk along the river in shrewsbury . The few people who were out were all keeping to the social distancing rules BUT we must of seen at least 500 cars driving about . Let's be generous and say 10% were " key workers " , what were the others doing if there's no shops open and you're not allowed to visit anyone ?

That’s pretty much the same everywhere

It’s very difficult to regulate too - even if they were stopped they would just say they are in the way to get essential goods.

There will always be selfish people who think they are above all of this - all you can do is hope there are enough who are doing the right thing. It’s seems that the majority of people are and hopefully that will start to pay dividends in the next few weeks - early statistics seem to suggest they are.

I still think we should have stricter lockdown rules - or probably stricter penalties...as in Spain and Italy. And we should have started lockdown earlier (still cannot believe Cheltenham was allowed to take place after seeing what had happened in Italy)

[thatdberight]

there was a lot of debate when It was suggested there would be unfortunately 10,000 deaths by the end of this week.

No. There wasn't. One person disagreed with you.

[Bfcboyo]

It will likely be a couple more months yet to safely isolate the virus and lift restrictions. Wuhan went into lockdown and not half assed lockdown like ours back end of Jan . Wuhan still has restrictions in place , the UK has already shown the virus has spread faster and has had more cases and more deaths.

Common sense looking at this says expect at least another 6 -8 weeks until its deemed safe enough to lift any lockdown . But don't let common sense get in the way of mystery and wonder .

[thatdberight]

It will likely be a couple more months yet to safely isolate the virus and lift restrictions. Wuhan went into lockdown and not half assed lockdown like ours back end of Jan . Wuhan still has restrictions in place , the UK has already shown the virus has spread faster and has had more cases and more deaths.

Common sense looking at this says expect at least another 6 -8 weeks until its deemed safe enough to lift any lockdown . But don't let common sense get in the way of mystery and wonder .

Depends what outcome you're looking for. It'll be a balance between deaths and social/economic damage (which to some extent also bring health issues in their wake).

Beat the virus "entirely" (not possible but perhaps to a practical extent) in four months with complete lockdown and the economic effect that has OR feel that you're funnelling it through at a manageable level after a partial lockdown of six weeks? Obviously I just made those numbers up and the economic impact would have to be quantified - but that's the choice.

[paulatky]

Still don’t get the clamour for stricter measures. We aren’t attempting to eradicate the virus, just lower hospital admissions, flatten the curve etc.

That’s exactly what’s happening, and pretty much everyone is just about managing with it. So just do it for a couple more weeks and watch and learn from the European countries ahead of us on the timeline.

What happens after those 2 weeks?
Loosen the restrictions and we will get peak 2 and then 3 and even possibly peak 4

[dsr]

What happens after those 2 weeks?
Loosen the restrictions and we will get peak 2 and then 3 and even possibly peak 4

I would have thought people who are relatively safe would start to go out (starting with re-opening schools seems to be the first action other countries are taking) and then gradually relax it for older and less vulnerable age groups. The high risk groups will be locked down for longer.

We can't stay indoors for ever. I don't want to live the rest of my life in my house doing nothing before dying of old age - I wouldn't have gained anything. Sooner or later, we will have to get on with things.

[Lowbankclaret]

No. There wasn't. One person disagreed with you.

Where is Grumps??

I am not going back again posting comments from people.
People get upset.

[thatdberight]

Where is Grumps??

I am not going back again posting comments from people.
People get upset.

That would indeed be a peculiar thing for you of all people to do.

[Lowbankclaret]

That would indeed be a peculiar thing for you of all people to do.

Well you lot are like managers, selective amnesia.

[Lowbankclaret]

North west hospital cases rising still.

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[Grumps]

Where is Grumps??

I am not going back again posting comments from people.
People get upset.

How offensive can you get, scoring points off people losing their lives
You sad sad individual
Get back to your spreadsheet of doom

[Jakubclaret]

What happens after those 2 weeks?
Loosen the restrictions and we will get peak 2 and then 3 and even possibly peak 4

That's the way I see it, we are too far in & there's far too much at stake to be loosening the grip, when something's working you keep it the way it is or if you want to work even more effectively you tighten the grip even further until you are where you want yourself to be. See the job out for the long haul it's buying time for the vaccine & reducing the death count in the long-term.

[Lowbankclaret]

Just stop. You simply don't know what will happen. Just wait and see.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

[dsr]

That's the way I see it, we are too far in & there's far too much at stake to be loosening the grip, when something's working you keep it the way it is or if you want to work even more effectively you tighten the grip even further until you are where you want yourself to be. See the job out for the long haul it's buying time for the vaccine & reducing the death count in the long-term.

What are we hoping for? Is it that coronavirus will disappear or that we all stay in hiding until a vaccine is found - a year or more if need be? Or is it that the infection level will be at a level that the NHS can cope with and then we relax the rules so that most of us can have a relatively normal life, and work?

[thatdberight]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

Even putting aside the fact that a Daily Mail projection by implication isn't showing something will happen...

Not a single mention of the tightening of the lockdown you claimed. Just another lie in a long line from you.

[CombatClaret]

What are we hoping for? Is it that coronavirus will disappear or that we all stay in hiding until a vaccine is found - a year or more if need be? Or is it that the infection level will be at a level that the NHS can cope with and then we relax the rules so that most of us can have a relatively normal life, and work?

Hard for life to return to normal when you know there is a virus out there that will kill 3 of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than you. I'm not relishing the next 12 months.

[RingoMcCartney]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

Spoke to a staff member at Woodside Care Home in padiham yesterday. Theyd be seriously intested in those face masks that you've posted that look a bit like a welders mask that you're knocking out. They're fine for gloves, aprons and surgical masks but would definitely be interested in the ones that have perspex covering the eyes.

Could you contact them please.

[ksrclaret]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

Did you mean to quote someone else with reference to that article?

[FactualFrank]

We've just had our daily walk along the river in shrewsbury . The few people who were out were all keeping to the social distancing rules BUT we must of seen at least 500 cars driving about . Let's be generous and say 10% were " key workers " , what were the others doing if there's no shops open and you're not allowed to visit anyone ?

The same with me yesterday.

I'd go as far to say that it didn't seem that much quieter than a standard non-pandemic day.

[RingoMcCartney]

Even putting aside the fact that a Daily Mail projection by implication isn't showing something will happen...

Not a single mention of the tightening of the lockdown you claimed. Just another lie in a long line from you.

Thatdberight, or anybody actually, could you do me a favour mate. Quote my post above so that Lowbank sees it. He put me on his foe list after he branded me "racist" for suggesting the restoring of border posts and checks that had been allowed to fall into disrepair as part of the European union free movement of people policy. Could help in slowing the spread of the virus. After every country in Europe did what I'd suggested he refused to retract his ridiculous claim and chose ignore my posts and sulk. Consequently, he cant see my posts. There's a genuine potential request for some of his gear from Woodside care home in padiham. You quoting me means he'll see it.

Cheers.

[dsr]

Hard for life to return to normal when you know there is a virus out there that will kill 3 of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than you. I'm not relishing the next 12 months.

How have you coped so far in life? Life is a condition that every year kills 12 out of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than me. If that rises to 15, is that such a game changer? This isn't a choice of "live for ever" or "die of coronavirus".

[thatdberight]

Hard for life to return to normal when you know there is a virus out there that will kill 3 of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than you. I'm not relishing the next 12 months.

Only if you're old and infirm does that statement hold true.

Anyway. Whatever. 3 out if 1,000. I might be one of them. Let's crack on.

[thatdberight]

Thatdberight, or anybody actually, could you do me a favour mate. Quote my post above so that Lowbank sees it. He put me on his foe list after he branded me "racist" for suggesting the restoring of border posts and checks that had been allowed to fall into disrepair as part of the European union free movement of people policy. Could help in slowing the spread of the virus. After every country in Europe did what I'd suggested he refused to retract his ridiculous claim and chose ignore my posts and sulk. Consequently, he cant see my posts. There's a genuine potential request for some of his gear from Woodside care home in padiham. You quoting me means he'll see it.

Cheers.

1. There's no point. What he can see and what he understands are almost entirely different things.
2. You'll forgive me if I'm not entirely comfortable with being your spokesman (although the accusation of racism was as far off as nearly everything else he's said on this thread).

[Jakubclaret]

Only if you're old and infirm does that statement hold true.

Anyway. Whatever. 3 out if 1,000. I might be one of them. Let's crack on.

You crack on, some of us believe in whatever it takes & however long it takes, let science advance the odds aren't looking so great currently.

[CombatClaret]

How have you coped so far in life? Life is a condition that every year kills 12 out of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than me. If that rises to 15, is that such a game changer? This isn't a choice of "live for ever" or "die of coronavirus".

I get what you mean but it's just an EXTRA threat. It's like saying not to worry If a serial killer moves on to your street because one lives there already, now you have two serial killers to worry about.

[thatdberight]

You crack on, some of us believe in whatever it takes & however long it takes, let science advance the odds aren't looking so great currently.

The great thing is that if those of us who can take the 3 in 1,000 (much less for most people) chance, those who want to hide until it's all over can. And in much more comfort.

[Devils_Advocate]

How have you coped so far in life? Life is a condition that every year kills 12 out of every 1000 people, many of them younger and healthier than me. If that rises to 15, is that such a game changer? This isn't a choice of "live for ever" or "die of coronavirus".

A lot of people don't, they cling on to crap like religion to help them cope with the prospect of death in everyday life

[thatdberight]

I get what you mean but it's just an EXTRA threat. It's like saying not to worry If a serial killer moves on to your street because one lives there already, now you have two serial killers to worry about.

Not any kind of an analogy since the risks posed by your serial killer (or the second one) are not at all similar in scale to the threats posed.

[thatdberight]

A lot of people don't, they cling on to crap like religion to help them cope with the prospect of death in everyday life

Which is fine. Whatever gets you through. Or wanting to hide from it. Until it impinges on everyone else. Which is where our societal mindset will get quite quickly.

[Devils_Advocate]

Which is fine. Whatever gets you through. Or wanting to hide from it. Until it impinges on everyone else. Which is where our societal mindset will get quite quickly.

Yep there's a difficult balance to be struck somewhere along this line but the "how have you coped so far" assertion whist linking everyday deaths to our current situation is just a bit stupid especially when the poster in question prays to an invisible being in the sky to get by in life

[Heathclaret]

I was talking to a client of mine today, a friend of his, she’s Iranian, went home to visit her family, was in Iran for two weeks, came back middle of last week. The plane was full, no checks leaving and no checks upon arrival.

I don’t actually understand this at all, we are all told to stay in our homes, we are not allowed to go to the coast or to a park and sun bathe, but planes full of people are allowed to arrive at Uk airports and let the passengers enter the Country without any health checks.

Madness.

[mdd2]

I was talking to a client of mine today, a friend of his, she’s Iranian, went home to visit her family, was in Iran for two weeks, came back middle of last week. The plane was full, no checks leaving and no checks upon arrival.

I don’t actually understand this at all, we are all told to stay in our homes, we are not allowed to go to the coast or to a park and sun bathe, but planes full of people are allowed to arrive at Uk airports and let the passengers enter the Country without any health checks.

Madness.

Well if that is really true, surely we have well and truly lost the plot. Assumes of course we ever had it in the first place

[NottsClaret]

The worry about air travel would probably be more relevant weeks ago, or if we ever reached a stage where the virus was anything like under control.

At the moment we’ve probably got 1-2m people who either have or have had Covid19 in the country. A few thousand more arriving on a plane - who then have to follow the same social distancing as the rest of us anyway - probably aren’t going to tip the balance.

[Rileybobs]

Just spoken to my brother who lives in Hackney. There is a big Orthodox Jewish community in his area and he had to call the police today because 20+ people were congregating in someone’s back garden to pray. I think he said this was the third time he’s seen it. The police were around fairly swiftly and dispersed them.

[Blackrod]

I was talking to a client of mine today, a friend of his, she’s Iranian, went home to visit her family, was in Iran for two weeks, came back middle of last week. The plane was full, no checks leaving and no checks upon arrival.

I don’t actually understand this at all, we are all told to stay in our homes, we are not allowed to go to the coast or to a park and sun bathe, but planes full of people are allowed to arrive at Uk airports and let the passengers enter the Country without any health checks.

Madness.

Be nice if one of these journalists that get all this airtime on the daily briefing asked about this. I’ve heard this from a number of people and it just doesn’t stack up. If it’s not being done properly it doesn’t encourage others to follow the rules. Plane loads of people landing without checks should have been addressed weeks ago. Lunacy. This and Cheltenham are big errors we’ve made in dealing with this.

[thatdberight]

Just spoken to my brother who lives in Hackney. There is a big Orthodox Jewish community in his area and he had to call the police today because 20+ people were congregating in someone’s back garden to pray. I think he said this was the third time he’s seen it. The police were around fairly swiftly and dispersed them.

They are one group who have shown themselves in an extremely poor light in this.

[Lowbankclaret]

Did you mean to quote someone else with reference to that article?

Nope, just to show it’s going to be more than 3 weeks.

[paulatky]

Nope, just to show it’s going to be more than 3 weeks.

This model suggests there will be 7 or 8 waves before a vaccine is found https://mobile.twitter.com/globalhlthtw ... 5694437377

[Jamesy]

I know there is a thread about the virus, however just seems full of people bickering at the moment. I am just asking how many people believe they have had it and did they have the common symptoms we are supposed to look out for i.e. dry cough, loss of sense of smell and taste and high temperature?
I am feeling pretty rough at the moment, got a slight temperature and body aches all over. I have felt generally yuk anyway since being confined to indoors and lack of fresh air, I live in a flat. Although I am almost 60 years old I am not really that concerned if I got the virus as I feel that most of us will eventually get it anyway in the absence of a vaccine. Just wondering if anyone else has displayed these symptoms and has then been confirmed as having the virus? Thanks.