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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:46 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:40 pm
No paint fumes, not sure where you get 23hrs from with or without a garden, children are happily playing in whatever environment providing the parents take an interest & keep them amused, the present attitude seems to be lacklustre & devoid of ideas of how to keep the children entertained hence the want/necessity to palm off, crack open a can in the back garden (nothing wrong in that) missus kicks off, big drama ensues, work together, you've already ceded there's anxiety & depression & throw a youngster into the mix, work it & sort it & stop crying about it.
So you'd have them with no friends?
No playing sports
No seeing grandparents or other relatives
Another crackpot idea, not thought through

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lord Rothbury » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:39 pm

It appears around 70% of deaths in the UK are male and it seems for no known reason. Does this apply across Europe or is it just the UK?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tiger76 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:42 pm

A few key points from Raab at the daily briefing.

Raab: Every death is heartbreaking loss
Dominic Raab says: "Step by step, our action plan aims to slow the spread of the coronaviorus so fewer people need hospital treatment at any one time."

The Foreign Secretary says they have been following the science at every stage, and increased capacity for the NHS.

He confirms the number of deaths in the UK of those hospitalised with coronavirus has now reached 13,729 and pays tribute to them.

"They are heartbreaking losses for everyone affected," he adds.

Dominic Raab says there have been indications that social distancing measures in place are showing success.

But government advisers say the evidence is "mixed and inconsistent", and in some settings infections are increasing.

He adds: "We still don't have infection rates down as much as we need to.

"Any change to social distancing measures now would risk significant increase in infections," he says, as well as a second peak and an increase in the number of deaths.

As a result, the government will keep the current measures in place for three more weeks.


Dominic Raab says he wants to be "up front with British people" about when the government can relax measures.

He lists five points that will influence the government's decision:

Making sure the NHS can cope
Evidence showing a sustained and consistent fall in daily death rates
Reliable data showing the rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels
Being confident in the range of operational challenges, like ensuring testing and the right amount of PPE, are in hand
Being confident any adjustments will not risk a second peak


The NHS has plenty of spare capacity just now,even without taking the Nightingale hospitals into account.

I fear it'll be at least a couple of weeks before the daily death rates drop substantially.

Infections are decreasing but very slowly.

Testing and PPE is still an ongoing issue,although things are improving on that front,it's very patchy.

A 2nd peak is always a worry,so this will be a big factor in any future decision.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:01 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:40 pm
No paint fumes, not sure where you get 23hrs from with or without a garden, children are happily playing in whatever environment providing the parents take an interest & keep them amused, the present attitude seems to be lacklustre & devoid of ideas of how to keep the children entertained hence the want/necessity to palm off, crack open a can in the back garden (nothing wrong in that) missus kicks off, big drama ensues, work together, you've already ceded there's anxiety & depression & throw a youngster into the mix, work it & sort it & stop crying about it.
24 hours in a day minus one for exercise equals 23. That is the situation we are in, or at least those of us following the rules.

Nobody signed up for that when starting their family.

Anyway, that's me done with engaging with your deranged ramblings.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Devils_Advocate » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:24 pm

Everyday after the briefing I see social media go crazy going on about Laura K and how stupid she is asking the same first question everyday.

Do they really not realise she is doing the govts bidding as usual and this is exactly what they want from her so they can bat an easy question back.

As well as allowing them to give an easy stock answer it also gets the public onside and focuses the discussion on journalists asking stupid questions rather than some of the more challenging and important ones other journalists ask

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:29 pm

Gosh theres some "shock" horror on the news tonight regards ppe. I thought it was common knowledge hospitals were low on it.?I suppose sensasionalising it may improve the situation.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 pm

Lord Rothbury wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:39 pm
It appears around 70% of deaths in the UK are male and it seems for no known reason. Does this apply across Europe or is it just the UK?
Worldwide. Not sure about exact percentages but broadly, yes. Nobody's sure yet why as far as I've read.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:04 pm

I'm sure someone said today would see a much more strict lockdown brought in. He'll be disappointed.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:16 pm

Doesn't matter, if it's not stricter it'll be for longer, you can't have easy & short.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:33 pm

Here are the latest official C0VID-I9 guidelines that could apply to you, or maybe not....

1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.

2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.

3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.

4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.

5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.

6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.

7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.

8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.

9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.

10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…

11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..

12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…

13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).

14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.

15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.

16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?

17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with "I don't want to trigger panic, but…"

18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.

19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.

20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.

21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.

22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.

23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…

24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).

25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:33 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:47 pm
Worldwide. Not sure about exact percentages but broadly, yes. Nobody's sure yet why as far as I've read.
I have a theory, it's dicks, and I mean a male penis not the ones posting on here.

I have had a long ongoing battle with the males of my family in terms of "you go to the toilet you wash your hands". Yet few minutes later you're sat watching a film/TV and look around and they are sat with there hands buried in their underwear, it's just a natural reaction so it seems because they tell me all men do it.

So they do something, hands around dick, later wash hands, sit down hands around dick, normally they might be round a pint of beer or playing football, while women we only have to worry about touching our faces and we are better at not doing that because normally we have our warpaint on and never want to spoil it.

So, it's all down to dicks.

and just for some, the above was intended to be a little light humour, ok, very light humour

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:43 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:01 pm
24 hours in a day minus one for exercise equals 23. That is the situation we are in, or at least those of us following the rules.

Nobody signed up for that when starting their family.

Anyway, that's me done with engaging with your deranged ramblings.
23 isn't true though if you've not noticed lately the weathers been grand & children have been out, even if everybody stuck to the rules, 23 still wouldn't apply because most people have a garden, it might fit your narrative to believe the kids have been cooped up all the time & starved off vitamin D, but by & large it's simply not true, yes I agree nobody's signed up for it but it's happened so you've just got to make a do & get on with it.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:52 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:43 pm
23 isn't true though if you've not noticed lately the weathers been grand & children have been out, even if everybody stuck to the rules, 23 still wouldn't apply because most people have a garden, it might fit your narrative to believe the kids have been cooped up all the time & starved off vitamin D, but by & large it's simply not true, yes I agree nobody's signed up for it but it's happened so you've just got to make a do & get on with it.
There are millions of children living in properties without gardens. If those families are following the rules, those kids are in the house for 23 hours a day (maybe a little less, but not much).

I don't have a "narrative", just stating a fact in response to your nonsense.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:54 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:43 pm
23 isn't true though if you've not noticed lately the weathers been grand & children have been out, even if everybody stuck to the rules, 23 still wouldn't apply because most people have a garden, it might fit your narrative to believe the kids have been cooped up all the time & starved off vitamin D, but by & large it's simply not true, yes I agree nobody's signed up for it but it's happened so you've just got to make a do & get on with it.
Who have they been out with?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:56 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:52 pm
There are millions of children living in properties without gardens. If those families are following the rules, those kids are in the house for 23 hours a day (maybe a little less, but not much).

I don't have a "narrative", just stating a fact in response to your nonsense.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:56 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:33 pm
I have a theory, it's dicks, and I mean a male penis not the ones posting on here.

I have had a long ongoing battle with the males of my family in terms of "you go to the toilet you wash your hands". Yet few minutes later you're sat watching a film/TV and look around and they are sat with there hands buried in their underwear, it's just a natural reaction so it seems because they tell me all men do it.

So they do something, hands around dick, later wash hands, sit down hands around dick, normally they might be round a pint of beer or playing football, while women we only have to worry about touching our faces and we are better at not doing that because normally we have our warpaint on and never want to spoil it.

So, it's all down to dicks.

and just for some, the above was intended to be a little light humour, ok, very light humour
Disgusting behaviour...along with nose picking and P!ss!ng directly into the water...THAT does Annoy me. Though you're grouse would be p!ss!ng on the floor I guess.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:05 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:56 pm
Disgusting behaviour...along with nose picking and P!ss!ng directly into the water...THAT does Annoy me. Though you're grouse would be p!ss!ng on the floor I guess.
Toilet seat Tim, if only they could manage for it all to go into the water some of my prayers would be answered. After that, yes the floor and PUT THE TOILET SEAT DOWN!!!!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:05 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:52 pm
There are millions of children living in properties without gardens. If those families are following the rules, those kids are in the house for 23 hours a day (maybe a little less, but not much).

I don't have a "narrative", just stating a fact in response to your nonsense.
Try again :? There is no time restrictions to the exercise period & when the parents are out shopping the young uns are usually toggling along as well, the children are out most of the day in some shape or form.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:06 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:56 pm
Depends on the age of the child but I doubt many families are doing much more than an hour day. If families are out shopping together, then the likelihood is, they aren't following the rules.

Back to the original point though; you seemed to think that this lockdown situation should become the norm and that there's no need for schools anymore.

Months ago I accused you of being a spoof account because surely nobody could be so thick. Then I decided you must be real because nobody could keep up an act like yours for so long. Now I'm back to thinking you're a spoof because surely nobody could possibly be so unutterably thick.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:13 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:06 pm
Depends on the age of the child but I doubt many families are doing much more than an hour day. If families are out shopping together, then the likelihood is, they aren't following the rules.

Back to the original point though; you seemed to think that this lockdown situation should become the norm and that there's no need for schools anymore.

Months ago I accused you of being a spoof account because surely nobody could be so thick. Then I decided you must be real because nobody could keep up an act like yours for so long. Now I'm back to thinking you're a spoof because surely nobody could possibly be so unutterably thick.
Every single subject taught at school on the national curriculum is available via the internet, going to school is important for children to socialise & interact with other children so in that sense only schools are important, children can still learn whilst not attending apart from the social aspect. There’s no logical reason that children under these circumstances will morph from potential Einstein’s into dumbos within a projected 6mths of lockdown (6mths predicted as far end).
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:38 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:29 pm
Gosh theres some "shock" horror on the news tonight regards ppe. I thought it was common knowledge hospitals were low on it.?I suppose sensasionalising it may improve the situation.
Yep , no one has any.
Number of Covid cases growing rapidly in care homes.
Requests still coming in every day for PPE.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Lowbankclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:45 pm

Interesting this thread is now just chatting mainly crap nothingness.

Two facts.
UK has fifth highest death rate in the world.
And Second highest daily death rate in the world.

Just think about that.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by tim_noone » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:47 pm

KateR wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:05 pm
Toilet seat Tim, if only they could manage for it all to go into the water some of my prayers would be answered. After that, yes the floor and PUT THE TOILET SEAT DOWN!!!!!
NO.....Lid or seat on mine. I've yet to see one that hasnt been twisted. Btw Never got that put the seat down malarkey. My w.c. is Spotless!!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:47 pm

Oh **** he's back...
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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:54 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:13 pm
Every single subject taught at school on the national curriculum is available via the internet, going to school is important for children to socialise & interact with other children so in that sense only schools are important, children can still learn whilst not attending apart from the social aspect. There’s no logical reason that children under these circumstances will morph from potential Einstein’s into dumbos within a projected 6mths of lockdown (6mths predicted as far end).
They Carnt interact with other children if they are on lockdown, which even you admit is important. So how would that work?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:56 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:54 pm
They Carnt interact with other children if they are on lockdown, which even you admit is important. So how would that work?
It doesn't it's not supposed to, the lockdown gets extended to 7th may then reviewed, it's a short term measure.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:59 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:45 pm
Interesting this thread is now just chatting mainly crap nothingness.

Two facts.
UK has fifth highest death rate in the world.
And Second highest daily death rate in the world.

Just think about that.
I have....... Happy now?
In other news

The measures put in place are starting to work.

9 out of 10 deaths in March were people with underlying health problems, most had more than one. The vast majority of healthy people, who are unfortunate to catch the virus, will survive.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:01 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:56 pm
It doesn't it's not supposed to, the lockdown gets extended to 7th may then reviewed, it's a short term measure.
Sorry, I thought you said you'd be happy for it to continue for a long period of time. I must have misunderstood.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:04 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:01 pm
Sorry, I thought you said you'd be happy for it to continue for a long period of time. I must have misunderstood.
No misunderstanding, I want the lockdown to continue for a long time.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Grumps » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:05 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:50 am
Same here, I'm not fussed if the lockdown never gets lifted in some ways it's a better life even if still working, people seem to show more manners in queues ect & far more consideration everywhere you look, air pollutions down, crimes down, I don't think we've ever had it so good, I'm in no way diminishing the seriousness of the virus or undermining efforts of the people trying to contain it, just appreciating a different better life.
There you go..... He did say it

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:07 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:05 pm
There you go..... He did say it
I want the virus near as damn it eliminated, well & truelly boxed off, a tall order but it's possible.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Burnley1989 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:11 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:56 pm
Disgusting behaviour...along with nose picking and P!ss!ng directly into the water...THAT does Annoy me. Though you're grouse would be p!ss!ng on the floor I guess.
I always **** directly in to the centre of the bowl to make the loudest sound and make my di(k sound massive, tends to ruin my cornflakes but it’s boosts my ego

(Sure I heard that on here a few years ago) :lol:

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:31 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:06 pm
Depends on the age of the child but I doubt many families are doing much more than an hour day. If families are out shopping together, then the likelihood is, they aren't following the rules.

Back to the original point though; you seemed to think that this lockdown situation should become the norm and that there's no need for schools anymore.

Months ago I accused you of being a spoof account because surely nobody could be so thick. Then I decided you must be real because nobody could keep up an act like yours for so long. Now I'm back to thinking you're a spoof because surely nobody could possibly be so unutterably thick.
I'm hoping against hope it's a spoof. I'd hate to think there are people like this for real.

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Re: Covid-19

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Re: Covid-19

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Re: Covid-19

Post by KateR » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:17 am

That's a good link, it really is!

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Re: Covid-19

Post by jackmiggins » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:41 am

Truth slowly filtering out of China & more governments starting to pose awkward questions - could this possibly escalate?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:08 am

The media now in "full on" mode about wearing masks. I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories about this virus but I'm sure governments of all kinds are watching just how supine their populations are and how they can be persuaded to do pretty much anything if they think it will eke out a bit longer existence for them.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:17 am

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:08 am
The media now in "full on" mode about wearing masks. I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories about this virus but I'm sure governments of all kinds are watching just how supine their populations are and how they can be persuaded to do pretty much anything if they think it will eke out a bit longer existence for them.
I dont think populations are "supine". I believe that as human beings we all have a survival instinct. If we believe we'll survive by following guidelines that's what what will happen. The EU referendum showed that if the majority of the voting population chose to ignore the government and act in their own best interests. That's what they'll do.

Can't remember the phrase exactly, but its said we're only 3 meals away from anarchy. You only have to look at the way some people behaved in supermarkets recently.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by RingoMcCartney » Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:19 am

jackmiggins wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:41 am
Truth slowly filtering out of China & more governments starting to pose awkward questions - could this possibly escalate?
Hope so. Long term, our over reliance on China needs to addressed going forward. A strategic reboot is required
in my view.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by thatdberight » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:19 am
Hope so. Long term, our over reliance on China needs to addressed going forward. A strategic reboot is required
in my view.
Genuine question. Are there any countries you would be happy to see us interdependent with?

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:35 pm

thatdberight wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:08 am
The media now in "full on" mode about wearing masks. I don't subscribe to any conspiracy theories about this virus but I'm sure governments of all kinds are watching just how supine their populations are and how they can be persuaded to do pretty much anything if they think it will eke out a bit longer existence for them.
Stands to logical reason though wearing the masks, it’s a barrier to the mouth, it has to stop the droplet particles from entering or at the very least restricts, nothing weak there to see if it’s good solid advice it’s a no brainier.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by ICL » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:21 pm

Unless the mask is properly fitted (the vast majority aren’t) it does not protect you from inhaling the virus, as when you breathe in you will pull in air from around the edge of the mask. What it will do is catch any virus particles that you have, when you exhale. So the mask is protecting other people from you, rather than the other way round.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by Paul Waine » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:22 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:35 pm
Stands to logical reason though wearing the masks, it’s a barrier to the mouth, it has to stop the droplet particles from entering or at the very least restricts, nothing weak there to see if it’s good solid advice it’s a no brainier.
Hi Jakub, but the science says not; face masks don't stop the wearer breathing in air and they don't stop us breathing in infected air. In the countries where people have been wearing face masks for many years it's the people who are infected that wear the masks - to stop/limit them infecting other people. I understand the science supports that. Sadik Khan is arguing for people to wear face masks in case they are infected but are asymptomatic. He's then trying to say that we all may be asymptomatic with the infection and just don't know it, yet.

The other issue is how people would use the mask. I heard someone on the radio this morning saying: i) we'd put it on with "dirty" hands, ii) we'd take it off with "dirty" hands, iii) we'd put it in our pocket and then get it out and put it on again and iv) we'd feel as though we were safe while wearing the mask and so forget about social distancing, which is the most effective way of avoiding infection. Wearing a face mask will not stop us getting infected - unless we are trained, as health workers are, how to avoid infection.

So, maybe, as a courtesy to others, we should all wear face masks (if we can get them), but we should remember that it won't provide much protection.

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Post by thatdberight » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:35 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:22 pm
Hi Jakub, but the science says not; face masks don't stop the wearer breathing in air and they don't stop us breathing in infected air. In the countries where people have been wearing face masks for many years it's the people who are infected that wear the masks - to stop/limit them infecting other people. I understand the science supports that. Sadik Khan is arguing for people to wear face masks in case they are infected but are asymptomatic. He's then trying to say that we all may be asymptomatic with the infection and just don't know it, yet.

The other issue is how people would use the mask. I heard someone on the radio this morning saying: i) we'd put it on with "dirty" hands, ii) we'd take it off with "dirty" hands, iii) we'd put it in our pocket and then get it out and put it on again and iv) we'd feel as though we were safe while wearing the mask and so forget about social distancing, which is the most effective way of avoiding infection. Wearing a face mask will not stop us getting infected - unless we are trained, as health workers are, how to avoid infection.

So, maybe, as a courtesy to others, we should all wear face masks (if we can get them), but we should remember that it won't provide much protection.
It always struck me travelling in Japan that if the masks were effective, there wouldn't be quite so many people wearing them.

We should not adopt infantile gestures as a courtesy to the most scared, the most feeble-minded. If masks are shown to have a material impact on this that's another matter entirely but for now it's the worst kind of meek acceptance of any old **** for no reason.

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:45 pm

We scientists said lock down. But UK politicians refused to listen

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... who-advice

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Re: Covid-19

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:53 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:22 pm
Hi Jakub, but the science says not; face masks don't stop the wearer breathing in air and they don't stop us breathing in infected air.
The N95 & N99 mask offer better filtration than standard surgical masks. The number indicating the percentage of airborne particles they are designed to filter out; the particles being larger than the gas atoms we need to breath. The caveat being they cannot guarantee 100% filtration and they have to perfectly fitted to the face.

Agree they can lead to a large sense of false security.
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Re: Covid-19

Post by martin_p » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:53 pm

jackmiggins wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:41 am
Truth slowly filtering out of China & more governments starting to pose awkward questions - could this possibly escalate?
It’s a well known fact that the U.K. is currently under reporting both cases and deaths as we don’t test everyone and only report hospital deaths. It’ll take a while to get to a better representation of the true figures. Why are we getting so snotty about the same being true in China?

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Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:02 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:53 pm
It’s a well known fact that the U.K. is currently under reporting both cases and deaths as we don’t test everyone and only report hospital deaths. It’ll take a while to get to a better representation of the true figures. Why are we getting so snotty about the same being true in China?
Possibly because their numbers seems implausible given their population and the fact the virus started there, and also given what appears to have happened to some of the people who first reported its existence.

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Post by thatdberight » Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:06 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:53 pm
It’s a well known fact that the U.K. is currently under reporting both cases and deaths as we don’t test everyone and only report hospital deaths. It’ll take a while to get to a better representation of the true figures. Why are we getting so snotty about the same being true in China?
And cue the conspiracy theorists jumping on your entirely reasonable point...

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